THE REPORT, buttoned up (SCO Thread v. 33)

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SBJJ said:
Wait. So now you are saying the campaign simply worked with Wikileaks. Are you abandoning your claim they passed off stolen emails to the campaign?
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They knew what wikileaks had. They knew that it was stolen. They knew who stole it. And they planned a campaign strategy around it.
 
Darkballs said:
The fact that was in the public domain does not mitigate the fact that it was first put there by theft, when the russian state hacked the servers. And the link shows that the trump campaign new about this.

Are you arguing that wikileaks got that information from another source?
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What Russian state hack?
Everybody hacked both Hillary's "private" server and Podesta's email through phishing.

Then we have the DNC IT "expert" Imran Awan getting arrested for bank fraud.

Just reverse the roles and tell me this is sane.
 
WTF2008 said:
What Russian state hack?
Everybody hacked both Hillary's "private" server and Podesta's email through phishing.

Then we have the DNC IT "expert" Imran Awan getting arrested for bank fraud.

Just reverse the roles and tell me this is sane.
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I wasn't aware of this CT. So you're saying that the russian state never hacked the DNC servers, but everyone else did?
 
Darkballs said:
I wasn't aware of this CT. So you're saying that the russian state never hacked the DNC servers, but everyone else did?
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I have no doubt that Russia hacked the DNC and Hillary's server.

I also have no doubt that several other people/governments did as well.

Imran Awan is pretty suspect. Charged with bank fraud then let off? Weird.

So is Seth Rich who was murdered under weird circumstances shortly after.

William Binney, a former NSA tech thinks it was a download rather than a hack.

Guccifer is another suspect.

There have been many studies on the hack/release. None point to Trump.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
 
WTF2008 said:
I have no doubt that Russia hacked the DNC and Hillary's server.

I also have no doubt that several other people/governments did as well.

Imran Awan is pretty suspect. Charged with bank fraud then let off? Weird.

So is Seth Rich who was murdered under weird circumstances shortly after.

William Binney, a former NSA tech thinks it was a download rather than a hack.

Guccifer is another suspect.

There have been many studies on the hack/release. None point to Trump.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
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You should have just led with this as your point. Would have saved me some time. Christ.
 
Quipling said:
Previous Threads
1. Don Jr. Confirms Trump Tower "adoption" meeting w/ kushner, Manafort
2. Gowdy Excoriates Trump
3. Trump Fixates on Leakers
4. Cover of Time
5. "Nothing Illegal"
6. Probe
7. "Nothingburger"
8. Royale With Cheese
9. First Charges
10. One Guilty Plea, Two Indictments
11. This is it Megathread
12. From Mueller with Love
13. Bob Mueller's Thirteen Russian Burgers
14. Conspiracy is a Gates-way Drug
15. Nunberg, not Nothingburger
16. Urine Trouble
17. Tamper Tantrum
18. The investigation just GRU
19. Mid-air Collusion
20. Just a Cohencidence
21. Pecker Problems
22. Patton the Back
23. Manafort Pleas, Thank You
24. Ferris Mueller's Election Off
25. Use it in a Sentence
26. Flynn Cohen to Prison
27. Perjuring the Swamp
28. Get me Roger Stone
29. Gagging For It
30. Report Embarrgo
31. Summery in March
32. Circling the Arguments

Current big news:
  • A redacted version of the Mueller Report is now available here. I haven't read it yet, and neither have you. (I'll take a look this evening). I'll post page numbers to different sections of interest later so people know where to find things like the Trump Tower meeting (and why Mueller came to the conclusions that he did).
Mod note from previous thread: Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR Lounge thread.
Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
1. Talking about how the thread is derailed/ how mods should handle a situation (report and continue on topic discussions)
2. Joking about posters who are reply banned from the thread
3. Posts with only flaming that do not have any other information about the topic
4. A reply to any of the above

Stop doing these. This isn't some game of getting each other reply bans and infractions. Just stay on topic, report when needed. We have the WR OT for posts like the ones above but they have no place in a normal thread.

Major events so far:
  • A redacted copy of thetMueller Report has been published.
  • Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member has been indicted arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. Manafort pleaded guilty, agreed to cooperate with federal prosecutors, and then lied to them.
  • Roger Stone has been charged with Obstruction, Lying to Investigators, and Witness Tampering. This is in connection with an investigation into his contacts with WikiLeaks and the dissemination of info from the DNC and Clinton hacks. He is now subject to a gag order.
  • Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations, which he claims to have committed at Trump's direction to influence the election. Cohen cooperated with federal prosecutors and received a 3-year sentence.
  • Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Org. CFO, has agreed to immunity in exchange for cooperating with federal prosecutors
  • Rick Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
  • George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied. Papadopoulos is now accusing Mifsud of being a deep state plant on Twitter.
  • Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
  • 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. A US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them. There is also a separate 12 count indictment targeting GRU officers
  • An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
  • Yohai, Manafort's former son-in-law has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department
  • Daniels's lawsuit has somehow, insanely, gotten linked up to the Mueller investigation thanks to alleged wrongdoing and influence-peddling by Michael Cohen. Who has pleaded guilty and offered to fully cooperate.
  • Twelve Russian intelligence officers have been indicted for conspiracy against the United States and aggravated identity theft
  • Bruce Ohr, of dossier fame, has been working to obtain information from Russian oligarchs since 2014.
  • Documents relating to Manafort's guilty plea implicate Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta is the brother of Clinton's campaign advisor, John Podesta. His former firm, which is now cooperating with the probe, worked for Manafort in Ukraine.
Dumb talking points:
Why hasn't anybody been charged with "collusion"?
Collusion is a catch-all term. It's not the name of a specific crime.

So where is the Collusion?
The Mueller investigation is about any links between "the Russian Government and individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump". It's beyond question that there were links, so the issue was whether those links amounted to collusion.

The Barr summary concludes that, although the Russian government stole intelligence in order to interfere with the election, and reached out to members of the Trump campaign, the Trump campaign did not assist the Russian government in that interference-it merely reaped the benefits of it. Per Barr's analysis, this passive acceptance stops short of collusion.

These are "process crimes", so they don't really count.
First, there isn't a judge in this country who believes that things like obstruction and witness tampering aren't serious crimes. The distinction between "process" crimes and other felonies is meaningless. Second, a significant amount of charged conduct goes well beyond "process." Third, there is definitely a great deal of uncharged or sealed conduct that goes beyond "process"-as shown by the failed redaction in Manafort's recent filing.
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so why are you posting about something you admitted you have not read?
 
OverPressure said:
I don't understand.
What does this have to do with anything?
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The pattern of the redactions are similar to the clothing color pattern
 
if i paid taxes i would be mad that my money went towards this
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
Mike, I already answered your question and I already directly quoted the mandate when I did so. Do you have me on your ignore list or something and are missing some of my posts? If you'd like to read my answers to your question, you can easily follow the chain of our comments backwards a bit.

If you cannot be troubled to read my replies to you, then please stop asking me to reply to you.
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I know you do not like it but there is a reason you have been cited by I think more people than anyone else as being a pretty consistent liar on this topic. A shocking amount of people have called you on it. I am sure your defense will be 'its not me, its them'.

But no you are not addressing in any meaningful way. You are focused on one thing and that is diverting any discussion to "Mueller said there was no collusion' like people are arguing that based on a strict legal reading.

We know for fact, from the Mueller investigation that Trump and many in his campaign had numerous 'links' with Russian they were lying about constantly. And many were 'coordinating ' stuff with Russia such as Manafort and others. Just because it does not rise to the threshold where Mueller where Mueller felt a charge would succeed does not mean it did not happen. The standard in life is not 'if you cannot get a conviction it did not happen'. Manafort DID take key polling data and hand it over in a coordinated effort. That did happen.

You position that the Mueller investigation had no adequate basis to begin with is bold faced lie. There is not a single instance, regardless of who is in power where any one of the three FACTS in play below would not justify an investigation.

1. a foreign gov't, particularly a hostile one suspected of meddling in the US election and trying to impact results in favour of a specific candidate
2. The Campaign's key members and the Candidate have all sorts of links and coordination with the foreign gov't at issue who is meddling
3. The candidate and members of his key election team lying incessantly about any and all contacts ('link' & 'Coordination') with said gov't illegal or not


Any ONE of the above would require Investigation, let alone all three existing concurrently.
 
MikeMcMann said:
I know you do not like it but there is a reason you have been cited by I think more people than anyone else as being a pretty consistent liar on this topic. A shocking amount of people have called you on it.
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The shocking amount of people being you, Jack, and Noballs? LOL.
 
MikeMcMann said:
I know you do not like it but there is a reason you have been cited by I think more people than anyone else as being a pretty consistent liar on this topic. A shocking amount of people have called you on it. I am sure your defense will be 'its not me, its them'.
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My defense is that I don't care what you think. It does not bother me to be called a liar when I have not lied. I've been called a liar for directly quoting Mueller in this thread. You frequently call me a liar when the real problem seems to be your inability to articulate or understand complex arguments. Also, I'm not particularly impressed with your own forthrightness.

Try to argue substantial content rather than personal drama.
 
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