THE REPORT, buttoned up (SCO Thread v. 33)

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Mueller points out they used a third party as an intermediary. It's spelled out rather plainly in the report, which I've linked numerous times to you.

I know. Thank you. I've been reading it and as an aside it is a fascinatingly bad report. However, to your point, Mueller also explicitly says that the evidence does not establish that Trump or his campaign coordinated with Russian efforts to hack the election. You are drawing the conclusion that whatever they were doing with Wikileaks is some sort of coordination, but Mueller makes it clear the evidence does not establish this.

The rest of your post is argumentative nonsense, non sequiturs, and ad hominems not worth addressing.

 

[Happy Man]

Invoking Comey is now the Trumper move? Have you no shame sir? (Rhetorical)

Comey and mueller said there was no collusion. Both despise trump. What’s the problem?

 

[Strychnine]

Do I need to elaborate on the different natures of Chinese and Russian society and governance? Come on, man.

The Vor presence in Russia's oligarch and governance, for example, is a pretty big one.

 

[Strychnine]

Comey already said it wasn’t the Russians. Democrats day it’s the Russians for political purposes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ow-apart-the-russian-collusion-narrative/amp/

You're saying the Russians DID NOT interfere with our elections?!?!!?

Bruh....

Just, just, stop.

And if you're going to post a link, how about posting a current one (not from 2017) dealing with the Mueller report.

 

[andnowweknow]

"Orange man bad" doesn't make obstruction of justice go away.

Does help tame the shame of supporting that sociopath. Gotta rationalize it somehow.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Does help tame the shame of supporting that sociopath. Gotta rationalize it somehow.

Just imagine supporting a guy when his own cabinet members have to undermine him in order to not break the law on his orders, over and over.

 

[andnowweknow]

I know. Thank you. I've been reading it and as an aside it is a fascinatingly bad report. However, to your point, Mueller also explicitly says that the evidence does not establish that Trump or his campaign coordinated with Russian efforts to hack the election. You are drawing the conclusion that whatever they were doing with Wikileaks is some sort of coordination, but Mueller makes it clear the evidence does not establish this.

The rest of your post is argumentative nonsense, non sequiturs, and ad hominems not worth addressing.

Are you aware of what would be required to bring a charge of conspiracy in this instance? It's quite narrow regarding explicit agreement between parties. You either don't know about this or are ignoring it for arguments sake.

 

[Happy Man]

You're saying the Russians DID NOT interfere with our elections?!?!!?

Bruh....

Just, just, stop.

And if you're going to post a link, how about posting a current one (not from 2017) dealing with the Mueller report.

They made Facebook memes. And it seems that’s all that’s ever been proven. Democrats want it to Be more.

Does isreal interfere with our election? Does any corporate money? But Russia shit posted on the internet and People act like it was more

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Are you aware of what would be required to bring a charge of conspiracy in this instance? It's quite narrow regarding explicit agreement between parties. You either don't know about this or are ignoring it for arguments sake.

Good point. Mueller made it clear that the narrow criminal charge doesn't apply. Happily he also more broadly assures us that no member of the Trump campaign "coordinated" (at least base don the available evidence) with the Russians in their election interference activities. It's the broadness of Mueller's language in the report that allows me to ignore the narrowness of criminal conspiracy charges. I'm assuming that you either haven't read the report or are ignoring it for argument's sake.

 

[bobgeese]

 

[andnowweknow]

Just imagine supporting a guy when his own cabinet members have to undermine him in order to not break the law on his orders, over and over.

At some level they all know he's terrible. I think the distaste for the "other side" just outweighs anything he could do really.

What really bothers me is that they all seem to act like him. Almost like he gave license to millions of people to act on their scumbag leanings. All people fight demons, left, right and center ... Trump just lets his run wild as a matter of daily course and has his whole life...and his followers see it as a green light to totally ignore norms and decent behavior. Lying regularly, as Trump does so unlike any other documented human in history, is incredibly corrosive to society. The people who mimic it should really consider that.

 

[kahiljabroni]

They made Facebook memes. And it seems that’s all that’s ever been proven. Democrats want it to Be more.

Does isreal interfere with our election? Does any corporate money? But Russia shit posted on the internet and People act like it was more

It's hilarious when lefties breathlessly talk about this "interference "....

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

"Orange man bad" doesn't make obstruction of justice go away.

No one needs to make obstruction of justice go away. Several people are in jail for lying to investigators or otherwise obstructing the investigation. That's not going away. When Mueller had something, he was never afraid to pull the trigger. He doesn't have anything here and he knows it, and that's not going away either.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

At some level they all know he's terrible. I think the distaste for the "other side" just outweighs anything he could do really.

What really bothers me is that they all seem to act like him. Almost like he gave license to millions of people to act on their scumbag leanings. All people fight demons, left, right and center ... Trump just lets his run wild as a matter of daily course and has his whole life...and his followers see it as a green light to totally ignore norms and decent behavior. Lying regularly, as Trump does so unlike any other documented human in history, is incredibly corrosive to society. The people who mimic it should really consider that.

Yes, you are morally superior to those gross Trumptards. It simply must be true.

 

[Strychnine]

They made Facebook memes. And it seems that’s all that’s ever been proven. Democrats want it to Be more.

Does isreal interfere with our election? Does any corporate money? But Russia shit posted on the internet and People act like it was more

"Amongst the more striking revelations in the report are claims that Russian government hackers managed to compromise a Florida county's election systems and that Russia attempted to hack Hillary Clinton's campaign just five hours after Trump publicly appealed for her deleted emails.

According to the report, "the FBI believes that this operation enabled the GRU to gain access to the network of at least one Florida county government."


https://www.wral.com/mueller-discov...d-to-interfere-in-the-2016-election/18334899/ (<-- This link is from yesterday BTW)

The report says that Russia and the GRU hacked the DNC. Then Donald Trump asked Russia before God, Family, and Country to "find the 30K emails!".

If you call this "just Facebook memes" you're just choosing to be obtuse.

 

[andnowweknow]

Good point. Mueller made it clear that the narrow criminal charge doesn't apply. Happily he also more broadly assures us that no member of the Trump campaign "coordinated" (at least base don the available evidence) with the Russians in their election interference activities. It's the broadness of Mueller's language in the report that allows me to ignore the narrowness of criminal conspiracy charges. I'm assuming that you either haven't read the report or are ignoring it for argument's sake.

Your smugness is a nice addition to your shameless lack of integrity. Shocker you support and give the benefit of the doubt to a sociopathic liar, and one who could clearly care less about you no less.

On topic, NOT A PEEP from Trump or his lackey supporters about Russian interference.

 

[Darkballs]

You are drawing the conclusion that whatever they were doing with Wikileaks is some sort of coordination, but Mueller makes it clear the evidence does not establish this.

Not true again. Mueller explicitly lays out how the trump campaign coordinated with wikileaks regarding the timing of the release of DNC data stolen by the russians.

Listen, we can do this all day. You can demand that we only scrutinize Mueller's "conclusion" in the narrowest possible terms, and ignore everything else. And I can keep pointing out relevant information regarding collusion and obstruction. Then you can go back to narrowly defining the summary of the Mueller report as "no collusion."

People have access to the report, so they can see all the information you are declining to mention.

 

[andnowweknow]

Yes, you are morally superior to those gross Trumptards. It simply must be true.

Addressed literally nothing. Reflect on your shit tier integrity.

 

[Darkballs]

On topic, NOT A PEEP from Trump or his lackey supporters about Russian interference.

Or obstruction. I'd love to see one of them even try.

 

[Happy Man]

"Amongst the more striking revelations in the report are claims that Russian government hackers managed to compromise a Florida county's election systems and that Russia attempted to hack Hillary Clinton's campaign just five hours after Trump publicly appealed for her deleted emails.

According to the report, "the FBI believes that this operation enabled the GRU to gain access to the network of at least one Florida county government."


https://www.wral.com/mueller-discov...d-to-interfere-in-the-2016-election/18334899/

The report says that Russia and the GRU hacked the DNC. Then Donald Trump asked Russia before God, Family, and Country to "find the 30K emails!".

If you call this "just Facebook memes" you're just choosing to be obtuse.

Those are unproven. And what that is is still an “attempt”.

Does an attempt affect the elections? Like they tried to do something but didn’t succeed. And that’s still just an ALLEGATION according to your source


You should follow the media, give up on collusion or any Russian interference. They have. Now they have a new boogeyman. Attempted obstruction! Which isn’t a crime and obstruction as explained has a wide interpretation. That midget troll Shapiro says no lawyers really can ever agree on what it means. They all argue about it