The Pub - Belph's Battle with Anorexia

[KidAlchemy]

Spent the evening at the beach talking shit and drinking vodka. The first in a long time. I was taking a walk and noticed a friend from long time and her other friends and they invited me to join them. I like how there's still people like that.

 

[Deleted member 382931]

Spent the evening at the beach talking shit and drinking vodka. The first in a long time. I was taking a walk and noticed a friend from long time and her other friends and they invited me to join them. I like how there's still people like that.

Alcohol, bringing people together since 10,000 BC.

PS:
if you want to be absolutely correct wit your sig, it should be 'die J

 

[KidAlchemy]

Alcohol, bringing people together since 10,000 BC.

PS:
if you want to be absolutely correct wit your sig, it should be 'die J

 

[Dan O]

One of my lifters has been sandbagging hardcore.

He set three clean and jerk PRs today. Not meet PRs, all time PRs.

His shoulder was bothering him coming in, only in the Snatch. So I told him he better show up in the clean and jerk. His warm ups looked too good not to let him call out heavier attempts. He didn't have a total to risk, so why not.
They red lighted his first two attempts (117, 122) for press outs. I didn't like either call at the time but it didn't deter him the slightest. He said "put five more kilos on and they can redlight that too". Guy was all-go today.

Some times as a coach I forget to let athletes be athletes. If you've trained them well they know when something's there and when it's not.

It was a fun day.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Alcohol, getting ugly people laid since 10,000 BC.

PS:
if you want to be absolutely correct wit your sig, it should be 'die J

 

[Tosa]

Lol, cheers! I just copied from some site that had it. It's from the opening theme of Shingeki no Kyojin or better probably known Attack On Titan. I though the saying fit pretty well with the theme of the show. They're planning on a life action film based on it and I'm really torn about if I'll watch it or not. I've read the manga and the spinoffs and even those are grotesque as shit. I'll fix the sig though :icon_chee.

I'm taking a wait and see attitude. Live action adaptations have a history of not being so good, and an Attack on Titan movie is fairly ambitious, visually, although I like to be optimistic and not assume that a movie is going to suck. I did enjoy the Space Battleship Yamato movie though (although Yamato 2199 was much better).

 

[Porch_Rabbit]

One of my lifters has been sandbagging hardcore.

He set three clean and jerk PRs today. Not meet PRs, all time PRs.

His shoulder was bothering him coming in, only in the Snatch. So I told him he better show up in the clean and jerk. His warm ups looked too good not to let him call out heavier attempts. He didn't have a total to risk, so why not.
They red lighted his first two attempts (117, 122) for press outs. I didn't like either call at the time but it didn't deter him the slightest. He said "put five more kilos on and they can redlight that too". Guy was all-go today.

Some times as a coach I forget to let athletes be athletes. If you've trained them well they know when something's there and when it's not.

It was a fun day.

So did it get red lighted or not?

 

[Dan O]

So did it get red lighted or not?

No, actually. He nailed it.

I was stoked.

 

[Tosa]

Speaking of competitions, now I know the exact date of the meet I want to do this fall. November 22.

 

[Dan O]

Nice man. Hope it goes well.

 

[Dan O]

Team Red Light with the last CJ

 

[toonie]

Had my meet today, first time with the IPF.

Full write-up here in my team log.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/96941785-post119.html

Went 7/9 in the 83kg class with best lifts of 424/259/513, good enough to qualify for provincials and second in my class.

 

[Tosa]

Provincials? That should qualify you for nationals. Unless you're lifting equipped.

 

[toonie]

Provincials? That should qualify you for nationals. Unless you're lifting equipped.

I think Ontario provincials sets the same standards as nationals. But yes, that total is good for nationals.

 

[MilkManUK]

Nice work toonie.

 

[KidAlchemy]

I'm taking a wait and see attitude. Live action adaptations have a history of not being so good, and an Attack on Titan movie is fairly ambitious, visually, although I like to be optimistic and not assume that a movie is going to suck. I did enjoy the Space Battleship Yamato movie though (although Yamato 2199 was much better).

Well Edge of Tomorrow wasn't that for a western made movie. But your right that there has been some bad ones. I just had to look what other movies they're planning that are western made and there was at least Bleach movie being planned which will really be a hit or miss.

 

[Stargazer Rex]

Speaking of competitions, now I know the exact date of the meet I want to do this fall. November 22.

What color singlet are you going to wear?

 

[Tosa]

Well Edge of Tomorrow wasn't that for a western made movie. But your right that there has been some bad ones. I just had to look what other movies they're planning that are western made and there was at least Bleach movie being planned which will really be a hit or miss.

Edge of Tomorrow probably works better because it's an adaptation of a single novel, rather than a long series. Although I haven't seen either the movie nor read the original book, so I really can't comment, other than I've heard it's a good movie from multiple people.

Not really a fan of Bleach, so I feel ambivalent about a movie adaptation. I liked the first couple arcs, but after that it just felt very repetitive and badly paced.

I'd like it if that live action Space Adventure Cobra movie actually got made though. As long as they kept the original surrealist visuals, and the goofiness.

 

[Tosa]

What color singlet are you going to wear?

Well, my current singlet is black. The SBD ones look really nice, though, but I can't really justify buying another singlet when I already have one that is perfectly good.

 

[KidAlchemy]

Any of you facebookers follow George Leeman? He made a status that started apparently a pretty wild conversation.

And also for you who are bored.

His original status was:

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to people who follow typical beginner programs like 5x5 etc, do you follow them because you cant make something better on your own? because you dont know what would be better even if you saw it?

I just wonder why basically anyone would do something like starting strength unless they were in some sort of odd situation where you dont care about how you look or about gaining strength on anything other than a handful of compounds that by them selves build unbalanced physiques and injury prone bodies.

Even Dan Green chimed in:

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Am I to understand that when 3x5 or 5x5 leads to a plateau that if those are valuable training methods then you shouldn't have to change anything to break through? Or do 5x5 lifters just not plateau in the first place? That would be pretty optimal... Also I'm pretty sure when George says "hard work" he's referring to getting smarter and gaining more experience and not just lifting harder

Then there's this Ritchie guy who seems to be the main villain of this thread;

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Ritchie:But he is pulling apart and sayiing why other programs are poor, yet releases no free template for himself, or a program which has produced incredible results for many, yet maybe 2-3x a week (not so much thee last few weeks, been more quiet) he is promoting his program and clients and putting other programs down in the process.

I loved George and watching him progress into something I thought was going to be unreal that no-one else could achieve. I think anyone selling a program is fine, but not putting other peoples programs down (proven good, programs).

I have absolutely no issue with people wanting to make money, but to try and do it in this way is offensive - and lets be honest if you're puttng other programs down, in a sense it is basically promoting you have something others don't. But sure, try and deny that if you want to. It isn't the firsst time George has posted about 5x5 being shit and how his programs are there to make you work harder and produce better results than other programs.

I am not even being offensive towards George, for the majority I have nothing but praise for him you don't need to defend him. I am not defending 5x5 either really, I just think the status is a bit odd.

People who follow 5x5 do this because:

They are new to lifting - they have novice in the name, or STARTING Strength and so on.

You then go on to say "because you can't make something else on your own?" - Well, I'm not a terrible lifter, but I couldn't just put together any old routine so how do you expect a BEGINNER to do it?

The point is, you START with something basic, easy and so on (I also don't understand your injury prone body stuff, that's just an extremist view, same with the inbalance) - you build a base, then you sort the rest a year or two down the line.

It's almost like you are attacking programs/the maker of these programs with no real justification just because you're bored. Like I said, if you thiink you have something so much better - release a few templates of how you enjoy to train - people will still want to hire you regardless for your motivation and personal one to one aspect of the programming.

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George:ritche tell you what, tell me the beginner program and the goals of that beginner and il improve it right here, right now, for free. you will feel pretty stupid, but whats new

its not like 5x5 in its self is the devil, it has its place, theres nothing wrong with 3x5 either, everything has its place, i just dont think full body 3x a week with 3 exercises per workout doing 3x5 would be ideal.. and i think even people who have never worked out would probably see that

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Ritchie:He is friends with those people don't be so stupid Tessa, i'd defend all of my friends too.

George, what a stupid fucking thing to say - everyone has different goals. But I tell you one thing, getting someone into lifting with a simple 3 day a week 5x5 program learning the correct movements and building up slowly is not a bad thing.

I'd rather have someone lifting 3x a week with a good frequency rather than doing some 'bro-split' they got from their favourite enhanced bodybuilder off simplyshredded.com - your extremist view is clouding your opinion, for example your new status ...

"huge population of people who workout that think 3x5 pendelay row will give them the best strength and size gains in their lats/traps/forearms/biceps/etc"

Not one person fucking said they thiink it will give them the best strength size and gains, NOT ONE. You've taken what people have said and just twisted it as much as you can. You're taking it as if people who do this think 3x5 and 5x5 is how they become an elite lifter, when we all know it isn't.

I don't want to argue with you, I just think its silly you try and turn slightly personal towards me when you don't even know me and I've already praised what you've achieved so far.

I wish you luck with your training and anything you have coming up, and I hope you and Tessa have many happy years together

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George:ritchie, you missed my offer to improve on a beginner program.. you asked me multiple times, but i guess you knew i was right when i called your bluff lol

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Ritchie:I don't understand what you were asking, you want me to list a beginner program so you can improve it right here?

Oh and, once again - if you're so passionate about it all, and you do believe your programs/or what would be better for a beginner, release some default templates like SS/5x5/Canditos programs - what have you got to lose? If anything it would just makee you get more followers and put your name out there if people were getting good results with JUST your basic adjustable templates.

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Ritchie:Scenario:

Been lifting 2 years with Jason Blaha ICF 5x5 (Linear gains have stopped, or so it appears)

What next - goals are to become as strong as possible, compounds have been low reps mainly (as in ICF) - and a few assistance things that aree listed were higher rep work.

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George:add in rotator cuff work, face pulls, forearm work, calf/abb work to help stabilize your squat/deadlift, I could go on and on

Then George makes this what I guess was an apology status but to me it comes a cross as a sales pitch:

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Earlier today before going to the gym (where I hit 275x20-21 reps on non-locked out standing strict presses) I made a status asking people why they follow beginner programs.. wondering if they really didn't know how to improve on them, or if they just didn't care that they were not even remotely close to ideal....

The response I got back was surprising, apparently there is a huge population of people who workout that think 3x5 pendelay row will give them the best strength and size gains in their lats/traps/forearms/biceps/etc

I have been lifting for 10+ years and I've known what I was doing for quite a while now. When I ask people if they really think 3x5 pendelay row is the best option for them on the path to their goals... I'm actually being serious not trying to belittle anyone. For years now (almost from day one in the gym) I knew better than to follow typical programs that make typical people.. especially if I wanted to make the best gains possible.

I like to assume everyone wants to do their best, not just pretend like they are..Telling people there are better options shouldn't be a insult unless you are content with doing something sub-par and not getting the best results possible. The truth is anyone who gets butt-hurt over me commenting that most beginner programs aren't even close to ideal is just refusing to educate themselves or work hard. Anyone who knows anything about lifting knows that you can always improve on it and being content leads to stagnation.

Saying the typical beginner program sucks and is easily improved on isn't an insult, if you are running a program like that you should be happy that there are better options for the future than the same old programs that have created millions of average people.

I have said it before on here again and again. Don't do what everyone else does unless you want to be like everyone else. I have seen tons of beginner programs suggest rowing and pullups over curls... why not both? Compound exercises are great but there is definitely room for isolation work also.

Just to be clear I'm not saying that you can't make gains with these programs. Honestly most people who don't exercise could become stronger just from climbing trees in their free time. The point I'm trying to get across is that there is always a better way to do things. There is no cookie-cuttter approach that works best for everybody and training should be tailored to the individual.

Thanks for taking the time to read this everyone, and again the purpose of this was not to insult anyone. I have worked with TONS of people who were following beginner programs, and they had no idea that they could improve exponentially with something more optimal.

It was pretty interesting but I thought these were the main bits.