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Law THE POLICE SHOOTING/USE OF FORCE MEGATHREAD: discussions to determine if justified or not
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@Poon Goon Can you provide a link or story, I can’t sign on with my YouTube account atm as I forgot my password
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Holy shit dude, those last two posts. Are you drunk are extremely elderly?
Not drunk. Took an ambien, but I wasn’t yet loopy.
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Second cop needs to be fired, charged with negligent discharge of a firearm, and never allowed to own a gun again.
He fired a blind shot towards an occupied building. If you can't follow the basics, like being able to see what you're shooting at, you don't deserve to own a gun.
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Jacob blake-august 2020, Kenosha WI
We all know this story, have seen the videos, the fiery but mostly peaceful protests, Kyle rittenhouse.
blake had multiple warrants and a restraining order against him. The warrants were for sexual assault and other crimes. He showed up at the girl’s house that he sexually assaulted. Police were aware of the warrants, showed up and tried to take him into custody. He fought police and was tasered to no effect. blake is seen on video carrying a knife and attempting to steal the female’s vehicle with her children in the vehicle. Officer Rustin Sheskey attempted to grab subject when he turned towards officer with the knife and was shot 7 times. blake was paralyzed from waist down.
Very violent riots ensued for several days with many buildings and entire car lots burned. Cops and civilians alike were attacked by rioters with bricks and one officer got ktfo’d by a brick to the face. Kyle rittenhouse arrives to restore order.
Enter ben crump, politicians, and activists calling for charges on officers. Biden and Harris visited him in his hospital and Harris raised money to bail out the rioters.
The prosecutor declined to press charges. crump sued the city, and absolutely everyone completely glossed over the victim of the sexual assault and charges were dropped. How in the fuck can anyone in reference to this case say black lives matter when they completely ignore a black female victim. crump and blake withdrew the lawsuit and it was dismissed “with prejudice” meaning he can’t refile. But he still got a hefty payday from go fund me to the tune of 3 million.
My thoughts: this one is ridiculously clear. Dude was a rapist and tried to steal the victims vehicle with her kids in it with the attempt to flee police in the vehicle which would have put them in extreme danger. And he was holding a knife when he was shot. The complete ignoring of the sexual assault victim makes me absolutely sick and disgusted at the insanity of blm and the people that protested this, rioted for it, and supported and made blake a victim/martyr. Even more disturbing is that our current potus and vpotus visited this fuck and his family. Un-fucking real.
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We all know this story, have seen the videos, the fiery but mostly peaceful protests, Kyle rittenhouse.
blake had multiple warrants and a restraining order against him. The warrants were for sexual assault and other crimes. He showed up at the girl’s house that he sexually assaulted. Police were aware of the warrants, showed up and tried to take him into custody. He fought police and was tasered to no effect. blake is seen on video carrying a knife and attempting to steal the female’s vehicle with her children in the vehicle. Officer Rustin Sheskey attempted to grab subject when he turned towards officer with the knife and was shot 7 times. blake was paralyzed from waist down.
Very violent riots ensued for several days with many buildings and entire car lots burned. Cops and civilians alike were attacked by rioters with bricks and one officer got ktfo’d by a brick to the face. Kyle rittenhouse arrives to restore order.
Enter ben crump, politicians, and activists calling for charges on officers. Biden and Harris visited him in his hospital and Harris raised money to bail out the rioters.
The prosecutor declined to press charges. crump sued the city, and absolutely everyone completely glossed over the victim of the sexual assault and charges were dropped. How in the fuck can anyone in reference to this case say black lives matter when they completely ignore a black female victim. crump and blake withdrew the lawsuit and it was dismissed “with prejudice” meaning he can’t refile. But he still got a hefty payday from go fund me to the tune of 3 million.
My thoughts: this one is ridiculously clear. Dude was a rapist and tried to steal the victims vehicle with her kids in it with the attempt to flee police in the vehicle which would have put them in extreme danger. And he was holding a knife when he was shot. The complete ignoring of the sexual assault victim makes me absolutely sick and disgusted at the insanity of blm and the people that protested this, rioted for it, and supported and made blake a victim/martyr. Even more disturbing is that our current potus and vpotus visited this fuck and his family. Un-fucking real.
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Leonard Cure, Oct 2023, Camden county Georgia
This one is as fresh as it gets. Last week, leonard cure, who was wrongly convicted in 2004 of an armed robbery he did not commit. Cure got a life sentence based upon previous felonies and armed robbery convictions.
Last week, he was pulled over by Georgia trooper for driving 90 past the trooper in 70 mph zone. He then increased his speed to over 100 mph before pulling over. The trooper is loud and immediately tells cure to exit the vehicle and head to the back of the truck. Cure is sort of compliant but keeps pausing, leaving the trooper in a dangerous location with speeding traffic only feet away(this is a very important aspect to be examined later). Cure is incredulous when he asks why he was pulled over and the trooper says for speeding. Cure responds with something like “so what” and demands to know by what authority the trooper has to pull him over. Trooper calls for backup stating he has a non compliant subject.
At this point, things quickly head south as the trooper tells cure he is under arrest. Cure says he’s not going back to jail and the trooper tells him that traffic offenses are criminal offenses and then threatens to taser him, which he then does, with no response from cure who then rips the wires from him and starts flailing his arms at the deputy. The two begin to scuffle on the side of the highway and cure strikes the trooper and then begins to choke him and bend him backwards over the bed of the truck. The trooper then pulls out his baton and begins striking cure who responds “yeah, bitch!” When the baton strikes fail to achieve the desired response, the trooper pulls out his firearm and shoots cure under the armpit in a fatal wound. Trooper calls out shots fired and when backup arrives, he begins to treat cure to no avail.
The response was pretty much immediate in the media and activist circle. My favorite celebrity ambulance chaser, ben crump, is hired by the family and he states the following: “
NPR front-loaded its report with emphasis on Cure's exoneration, his race, and a quote from his family's lawyer, Ben Crump, claiming, "It is god awful that he would escape that injustice to have his life claimed by more bias. ... Just because you're Black should not be the determining factor whether you get a death sentence for a traffic stop."
SPLC president Margaret Huang said in a statement, "No one should be shot to death during a traffic stop. ... The brutal and unjust violence Black people have endured at the hands of police must end. Enough is enough."
"The SPLC once again calls for a reimagining of policing in this country that respects the rights of all people," continued Huang. "Leaders at every level must take urgent action to end the culture of anti-Blackness in policing, keep all communities safe and demand accountability until equal justice is a reality for all."
Look, it really sucks that he was falsely convicted and good on the innocence project for proving he was using an atm far away from the scene of the robbery when it occurred. And it also sucks that he was not fairly compensated, only getting 800k for sixteen years of hell, however, his actions on that day were very violent and dangerous and this shooting was absolutely 100% justified. Cure was traumatized no doubt, from being caged for 16 years and however long he was in prison for his previous armed robberies. Dude was definitely traumatized at the thought of going back to jail/prison and this triggered his fight/flight (almost entirely fight) but any person, regardless of race, that chokes and strikes a cop on the side of a busy highway is getting shot when all other lesser levels of force fail. I wish the trooper had come in a little cooler and explained to the guy, based upon PA v Mimms, that the trooper has the right to have the driver or passenger exit the vehicle for safety reasons. My thoughts on this are that it is unsafe to conduct a traffic stop on a busy highway with vehicles traveling in excess of 70 mph. I also think that part of the yelling from the trooper was both stress and the highway noise. If you’ve never been on the side of a highway, two things that will shock you is how loud it is and how much the road shakes and the wind as cars whistle by. On bridges, it’s really bad. Regardless, a cop being a loud dick is one thing-resisting arrest and trying to choke him or fight where you could go out into traffic is another. I have been both parts of that. I have on one or two occasions, been the loud dick (seriously, only a few times because I remember and regret those times and my behavior and learned from it) and I have also fought people on the side of a busy freeway and it is scary af. Shitbag crump and the activist nation have been making this all about race because that’s their only play. This man was already a violent criminal before he was ever falsely convicted, so blaming this totally on that experience is not accurate, but it certainly didn’t help. But the ploys of race and calls for justice are only to generate anger and will scare people into paying him a lot of money to be an ambulance chasing chickenhawk.
The incident
Press conference where brother calls multiple convicted felon “a man of integrity” and crump and family are to meet with prosecutors to determine when/if charges will be filed against trooper.
Longer (50 mins) press conference by crump where he says cure was killed “by Jim Crow bigoted policing” “another black man caught up in racist criminal justice system” “we all know if he was white, he wouldn’t have been shot by police for a traffic stop” and then he blasts Facebook removing the live stream and he accuses law enforcement of having this done or accuses Facebook of doing it(very important because mark my words-crump will try to sue Facebook)
This one is as fresh as it gets. Last week, leonard cure, who was wrongly convicted in 2004 of an armed robbery he did not commit. Cure got a life sentence based upon previous felonies and armed robbery convictions.
Last week, he was pulled over by Georgia trooper for driving 90 past the trooper in 70 mph zone. He then increased his speed to over 100 mph before pulling over. The trooper is loud and immediately tells cure to exit the vehicle and head to the back of the truck. Cure is sort of compliant but keeps pausing, leaving the trooper in a dangerous location with speeding traffic only feet away(this is a very important aspect to be examined later). Cure is incredulous when he asks why he was pulled over and the trooper says for speeding. Cure responds with something like “so what” and demands to know by what authority the trooper has to pull him over. Trooper calls for backup stating he has a non compliant subject.
At this point, things quickly head south as the trooper tells cure he is under arrest. Cure says he’s not going back to jail and the trooper tells him that traffic offenses are criminal offenses and then threatens to taser him, which he then does, with no response from cure who then rips the wires from him and starts flailing his arms at the deputy. The two begin to scuffle on the side of the highway and cure strikes the trooper and then begins to choke him and bend him backwards over the bed of the truck. The trooper then pulls out his baton and begins striking cure who responds “yeah, bitch!” When the baton strikes fail to achieve the desired response, the trooper pulls out his firearm and shoots cure under the armpit in a fatal wound. Trooper calls out shots fired and when backup arrives, he begins to treat cure to no avail.
The response was pretty much immediate in the media and activist circle. My favorite celebrity ambulance chaser, ben crump, is hired by the family and he states the following: “
NPR front-loaded its report with emphasis on Cure's exoneration, his race, and a quote from his family's lawyer, Ben Crump, claiming, "It is god awful that he would escape that injustice to have his life claimed by more bias. ... Just because you're Black should not be the determining factor whether you get a death sentence for a traffic stop."
SPLC president Margaret Huang said in a statement, "No one should be shot to death during a traffic stop. ... The brutal and unjust violence Black people have endured at the hands of police must end. Enough is enough."
"The SPLC once again calls for a reimagining of policing in this country that respects the rights of all people," continued Huang. "Leaders at every level must take urgent action to end the culture of anti-Blackness in policing, keep all communities safe and demand accountability until equal justice is a reality for all."
Look, it really sucks that he was falsely convicted and good on the innocence project for proving he was using an atm far away from the scene of the robbery when it occurred. And it also sucks that he was not fairly compensated, only getting 800k for sixteen years of hell, however, his actions on that day were very violent and dangerous and this shooting was absolutely 100% justified. Cure was traumatized no doubt, from being caged for 16 years and however long he was in prison for his previous armed robberies. Dude was definitely traumatized at the thought of going back to jail/prison and this triggered his fight/flight (almost entirely fight) but any person, regardless of race, that chokes and strikes a cop on the side of a busy highway is getting shot when all other lesser levels of force fail. I wish the trooper had come in a little cooler and explained to the guy, based upon PA v Mimms, that the trooper has the right to have the driver or passenger exit the vehicle for safety reasons. My thoughts on this are that it is unsafe to conduct a traffic stop on a busy highway with vehicles traveling in excess of 70 mph. I also think that part of the yelling from the trooper was both stress and the highway noise. If you’ve never been on the side of a highway, two things that will shock you is how loud it is and how much the road shakes and the wind as cars whistle by. On bridges, it’s really bad. Regardless, a cop being a loud dick is one thing-resisting arrest and trying to choke him or fight where you could go out into traffic is another. I have been both parts of that. I have on one or two occasions, been the loud dick (seriously, only a few times because I remember and regret those times and my behavior and learned from it) and I have also fought people on the side of a busy freeway and it is scary af. Shitbag crump and the activist nation have been making this all about race because that’s their only play. This man was already a violent criminal before he was ever falsely convicted, so blaming this totally on that experience is not accurate, but it certainly didn’t help. But the ploys of race and calls for justice are only to generate anger and will scare people into paying him a lot of money to be an ambulance chasing chickenhawk.
The incident
Press conference where brother calls multiple convicted felon “a man of integrity” and crump and family are to meet with prosecutors to determine when/if charges will be filed against trooper.
Longer (50 mins) press conference by crump where he says cure was killed “by Jim Crow bigoted policing” “another black man caught up in racist criminal justice system” “we all know if he was white, he wouldn’t have been shot by police for a traffic stop” and then he blasts Facebook removing the live stream and he accuses law enforcement of having this done or accuses Facebook of doing it(very important because mark my words-crump will try to sue Facebook)
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Demetrius Stanley, San Jose, CA, may 2021
Demetrius Stanley was being surveiled by two plain clothes officers. Stanley pulled a gun on an officer on foot, who ran away. Stanley then walks past a vehicle with the other undercover officer and he approaches the vehicle and points the firearm at the officer and then he opens the driver-side door when he is fatally shot by the officer. These officers were strictly gathering evidence and were not there to apprehend him or confront him. My guess is he saw someone in a vehicle and was in the process of trying to car-Jack him.
Prior to the shooting, Stanley was arrested for armed robbery in which he pointed a gun at a juvenile and he was ransacking the vehicle and stole a firearm from the center console. This being San Jose and one year after 2020 riots, he was allowed to bond out the same day.
Protests occurred and family claims he was defending his home-you know, out on the street pulling an illegal firearm that he was not allowed to carry because of a domestic violence conviction.
video-does not include actual shooting
Video from another angle that shows Stanley approach the vehicle and point his firearm at the officer inside who fatally shoots Stanley.
Protests over shootkng where hundreds shut down a freeway.
copy of the complaint in the obligatory lawsuit
https://casetext.com/case/the-estate-of-stanley-v-city-of-san-jose
The lawsuit contends that despite what the video shows, they feel that the gun was not pointed directly at the officer but in his direction and that Stanley was defending his home and family. I can’t find any settlement in this case.
Multiple protests ensued and during one, the protesters attempted to approach the mayors house but officers blocked all attempts to get to the mayors house. Personally, if I was a cop there, specifically the chief, j would have let them through because it is denying protesters, however stupid their case, have the right to protest on public streets(not to block it though) and this douchebag mayor is the one that violates the second amendment by forcing gun owners to register their firearms and pay a $25 fee to be able to express their right to own a firearm. They also have to have a certain amount of insurance in the event that using a registered firearm in defense of one’s safety. The $25 fee is supposed to to victims of gun violence. So, as per the usual, the law abiding citizens are forced to pay for the violence of street thugs using unregistered or legal firearms. They wouldn’t dare try to infringe upon the first amendment right to protest by making all who plan to protest pay for the right to do so. I think it would have been plenty amusing to allow this mayor to worry about protecting his home using a firearm under such circumstances. I don’t want to change the subject to this law, but imo, this is clearly an infringement
Demetrius Stanley was being surveiled by two plain clothes officers. Stanley pulled a gun on an officer on foot, who ran away. Stanley then walks past a vehicle with the other undercover officer and he approaches the vehicle and points the firearm at the officer and then he opens the driver-side door when he is fatally shot by the officer. These officers were strictly gathering evidence and were not there to apprehend him or confront him. My guess is he saw someone in a vehicle and was in the process of trying to car-Jack him.
Prior to the shooting, Stanley was arrested for armed robbery in which he pointed a gun at a juvenile and he was ransacking the vehicle and stole a firearm from the center console. This being San Jose and one year after 2020 riots, he was allowed to bond out the same day.
Protests occurred and family claims he was defending his home-you know, out on the street pulling an illegal firearm that he was not allowed to carry because of a domestic violence conviction.
video-does not include actual shooting
Video from another angle that shows Stanley approach the vehicle and point his firearm at the officer inside who fatally shoots Stanley.
Protests over shootkng where hundreds shut down a freeway.
copy of the complaint in the obligatory lawsuit
https://casetext.com/case/the-estate-of-stanley-v-city-of-san-jose
The lawsuit contends that despite what the video shows, they feel that the gun was not pointed directly at the officer but in his direction and that Stanley was defending his home and family. I can’t find any settlement in this case.
Multiple protests ensued and during one, the protesters attempted to approach the mayors house but officers blocked all attempts to get to the mayors house. Personally, if I was a cop there, specifically the chief, j would have let them through because it is denying protesters, however stupid their case, have the right to protest on public streets(not to block it though) and this douchebag mayor is the one that violates the second amendment by forcing gun owners to register their firearms and pay a $25 fee to be able to express their right to own a firearm. They also have to have a certain amount of insurance in the event that using a registered firearm in defense of one’s safety. The $25 fee is supposed to to victims of gun violence. So, as per the usual, the law abiding citizens are forced to pay for the violence of street thugs using unregistered or legal firearms. They wouldn’t dare try to infringe upon the first amendment right to protest by making all who plan to protest pay for the right to do so. I think it would have been plenty amusing to allow this mayor to worry about protecting his home using a firearm under such circumstances. I don’t want to change the subject to this law, but imo, this is clearly an infringement
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Rob Adams, San Bernardino CA, July 2022
Rob Adams was in a parking lot with another subject. This was the parking lot of an illegal gambling den. Officers had reports that an armed subject was threatening people with a gun and kind of acting like security for the gambling den. As the officers pull into the parking lot and park in a space, adams can be seen immediately approaching the vehicle and he pulls a gun from his waist band and is holding it in his right hand. Officers in uniform , exit the vehicle and order adams to drop the gun. Instead of complying, he then runs and and it seems like he plans to duck behind two cars for cover. He looks over his left shoulder while still holding the gun. According to officers, they believed he was preparing to have a shootout with them. One of the officers shoots adams seven times, they then render aid, but he dies anyway. This incident is captured on video which will be posted below.
The response:
Of course ben crump smells carrion and swoops in for a meal. According to crump, rob was just walking around the parking lot and the officers startled him and he panicked and ran. He claims that officers didn’t even give him a chance to surrender.
Videos:
The shooting
The funeral. Important portion of video shows adams with a handgun in his hand as he approaches the undercover vehicle. A loaded firearm was recovered from adams. ben crump says it wasn’t a gun but was a phone instead and is obviously accusing police of planting the weapon-you know, because police always carry a “drop gun” on them at all times. Also, hundreds of people attended his funeral. I have said it many times, but these communities and ben crump need to pick better and more sympathetic victims. If this dude had been shot by anyone other than police, he would have had a small fraction of that funeral attendance. crump and family have of course, filed a lawsuit. How much do they say the life of convicted robber and armed rob adams (by the way, kind of ironic that his name is rob and that is what he does) is worth? 100 million dollars. I am sure he was a real big earner.
Yeah, and family claims adams worked at the gambling establishment as a security guard. I am sure that’s on paper and on the level, especially since it was an illegal gambling spot.
Oh, here’s another huge Oof-the family now admits that he did have a gun and that he needed it for protection due to violent robberies in the area. “
The stepfather said to KTLA in an exclusive interview that Adams had a weapon and was “protecting himself” due to violent robberies in the area. Police seem to confirm that by releasing an image that seems to be of Adams holding a firearm.
Still, the family wants murder charges filed against the officer that shot their relative.”
My thoughts? Do you need to ask? Dude was armed and went strolling up to the unmarked police car, thinking he was Billy badass and was going to question who was pulling into his parking lot. The family makes a big deal out of him being shot in the back and police not identifying themselves as police. Ok, I guess the uniformed officers part was confusing for poor rob. As for the shots to the back, Tennessee vs garner establishes that officers can shoot a fleeing suspect in the back if they pose an imminent risk to the community or officers. I would say an armed felon who was reported to be robbing people and flashing a gun who then runs from officers, looks over his shoulder at officers while holding the gun-again, sorry, I meant cellphone shaped like a gun, is an immediate threat to both officers and the community alike. Why do violent felons have guns? They intend to use them at some point or simply accept that their lifestyle choices puts them into a position where it is better to have a gun and not need one than to need a gun and not have one. Armed felons, in particular, black felons are much more likely to use those firearms and along with teenagers, are driving up murder and shooting statistics. Who is at risk of being a violent felon’s victims? Other black people, yet no one seems to care that a threat is off the streets and instead of the community thanking officers for keeping them and their families safer, they condemn officers and claim it is open season on black males. Give me a fucking break already.
Better video of gun in hand, sorry, ben, I meant phone. Phone in his hand. Then a former police sergeant known for speaking out against officers in shootings says this shooting was justified.
More video of crump claiming police planted the gun. Adams was on parole for an armed robbery conviction and was a suspect in an armed robbery that took place in that same parking lot. One of the family’s attorneys claims that the robbery conviction was for another rob adams.
link of attorneys again calling police liars for both adams’ criminal record and not having a gun which is clearly evident in the videos. In this very same article, though, his attorneys admit that he did have a robbery conviction because he was pressured to accept a plea deal-Oof but they say that he was trying to move past that. Seriously? How the fuck y’all gonna claim dude had no criminal record when he in fact did have an armed robbery conviction? Guess the family thought no one would find out about that?
https://abc7.com/san-bernardino-deadly-police-shooting-rob-adams-family-officer-involved/12064021/#
The biased USA Today article
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...andino-police-shoot-rob-adams-23/10109887002/
Here is a less biased article
https://abc7.com/san-bernardino-off...police-shoot-man-rob-marquise-adams/12062209/
Rob Adams was in a parking lot with another subject. This was the parking lot of an illegal gambling den. Officers had reports that an armed subject was threatening people with a gun and kind of acting like security for the gambling den. As the officers pull into the parking lot and park in a space, adams can be seen immediately approaching the vehicle and he pulls a gun from his waist band and is holding it in his right hand. Officers in uniform , exit the vehicle and order adams to drop the gun. Instead of complying, he then runs and and it seems like he plans to duck behind two cars for cover. He looks over his left shoulder while still holding the gun. According to officers, they believed he was preparing to have a shootout with them. One of the officers shoots adams seven times, they then render aid, but he dies anyway. This incident is captured on video which will be posted below.
The response:
Of course ben crump smells carrion and swoops in for a meal. According to crump, rob was just walking around the parking lot and the officers startled him and he panicked and ran. He claims that officers didn’t even give him a chance to surrender.
Videos:
The shooting
The funeral. Important portion of video shows adams with a handgun in his hand as he approaches the undercover vehicle. A loaded firearm was recovered from adams. ben crump says it wasn’t a gun but was a phone instead and is obviously accusing police of planting the weapon-you know, because police always carry a “drop gun” on them at all times. Also, hundreds of people attended his funeral. I have said it many times, but these communities and ben crump need to pick better and more sympathetic victims. If this dude had been shot by anyone other than police, he would have had a small fraction of that funeral attendance. crump and family have of course, filed a lawsuit. How much do they say the life of convicted robber and armed rob adams (by the way, kind of ironic that his name is rob and that is what he does) is worth? 100 million dollars. I am sure he was a real big earner.
Yeah, and family claims adams worked at the gambling establishment as a security guard. I am sure that’s on paper and on the level, especially since it was an illegal gambling spot.
Oh, here’s another huge Oof-the family now admits that he did have a gun and that he needed it for protection due to violent robberies in the area. “
The stepfather said to KTLA in an exclusive interview that Adams had a weapon and was “protecting himself” due to violent robberies in the area. Police seem to confirm that by releasing an image that seems to be of Adams holding a firearm.
Still, the family wants murder charges filed against the officer that shot their relative.”
My thoughts? Do you need to ask? Dude was armed and went strolling up to the unmarked police car, thinking he was Billy badass and was going to question who was pulling into his parking lot. The family makes a big deal out of him being shot in the back and police not identifying themselves as police. Ok, I guess the uniformed officers part was confusing for poor rob. As for the shots to the back, Tennessee vs garner establishes that officers can shoot a fleeing suspect in the back if they pose an imminent risk to the community or officers. I would say an armed felon who was reported to be robbing people and flashing a gun who then runs from officers, looks over his shoulder at officers while holding the gun-again, sorry, I meant cellphone shaped like a gun, is an immediate threat to both officers and the community alike. Why do violent felons have guns? They intend to use them at some point or simply accept that their lifestyle choices puts them into a position where it is better to have a gun and not need one than to need a gun and not have one. Armed felons, in particular, black felons are much more likely to use those firearms and along with teenagers, are driving up murder and shooting statistics. Who is at risk of being a violent felon’s victims? Other black people, yet no one seems to care that a threat is off the streets and instead of the community thanking officers for keeping them and their families safer, they condemn officers and claim it is open season on black males. Give me a fucking break already.
Better video of gun in hand, sorry, ben, I meant phone. Phone in his hand. Then a former police sergeant known for speaking out against officers in shootings says this shooting was justified.
More video of crump claiming police planted the gun. Adams was on parole for an armed robbery conviction and was a suspect in an armed robbery that took place in that same parking lot. One of the family’s attorneys claims that the robbery conviction was for another rob adams.
link of attorneys again calling police liars for both adams’ criminal record and not having a gun which is clearly evident in the videos. In this very same article, though, his attorneys admit that he did have a robbery conviction because he was pressured to accept a plea deal-Oof but they say that he was trying to move past that. Seriously? How the fuck y’all gonna claim dude had no criminal record when he in fact did have an armed robbery conviction? Guess the family thought no one would find out about that?
https://abc7.com/san-bernardino-deadly-police-shooting-rob-adams-family-officer-involved/12064021/#
The biased USA Today article
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...andino-police-shoot-rob-adams-23/10109887002/
Here is a less biased article
https://abc7.com/san-bernardino-off...police-shoot-man-rob-marquise-adams/12062209/
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You seem lonely, so I'll bite.
I'll be honest. I started looking at some of them. Your posting style is WAY TOO LONG... That says a lot coming from somebody like me who also posts text walls. But these are next level text walls.
I feel like I already have put out a reasonable criteria to justify a shooting.
Also, all of your post certainly debunk the whole idea of "there aren't a lot of Police shootings." Right, wrong, or indifferent, the more that we look for examples the more shocked I am in the sheer amount of these.
A knife is 100% a deadly weapon. I can agree with that. Can you explain to us novices why using a taser would of been a bad idea on a minor child in this Ma’khia Bryant scenario?
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Good on ya brother for finding something to do with your time.
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"come in here and debate me on these cherry picked examples I found. I DARE YOU!".
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Sure can explain that for you. So, I have said it many times that the UK police(London) do a great job at dealing with knife wielding subjects. The reason for this, of course, is because they rarely have the option to use deadly force. If they got called to a subject in the street with a knife, they respond in large numbers, have shields, oc spray, batons, and tasers. I think of a situation like this as a static incident. They are able to use the shields to deflect the knife blows while using other officers to use the batons or tasers to take the subject down. However, in a situation where you have a stabbing in progress, you would never use a taser to try and stop that. He pretty much got her as she was in the downward motion or was about to-I would have to watch the video again, but it is definitely close to being a stabbing. Tasers can fail. Look no further than jacob blake, jayland walker, or leonard cure. Both were hit with tasers and both failed to stop the subject. I would never choose a taser as my primary weapon of choice in a deadly force scenario UNLESS I had lethal cover. US cops are trained to only use a taser in a lethal force situation unless you had lethal cover or a decent barrier between you and the subject. Had the officer in the Brayant case used a taser and it was not effective, you have a bad stabbing.
And I am not lonely. And I do write text walls, but that is because I want to be extremely thorough and explain these incidents as best I can. Especially in these situations that are so contested and protested. I am used to having to explain my rationale from writing so many papers while I was getting my masters in criminology.
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this is the saddest plea for attention i've ever seen on the forums.
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Do Tamir rice and the dude who got killed pulling up his pants over a rocksalt gun.cop had you're fucked etched into his optic. Cant recall names on that one. Cops got away with both of those and they were bad shootings.
Sitting here thinking about it those 2 are the only really bad ones I can recall. Turns out most of the time Cops are justified
Do Tamir rice and the dude who got killed pulling up his pants over a rocksalt gun.cop had you're fucked etched into his optic. Cant recall names on that one. Cops got away with both of those and they were bad shootings.
Sitting here thinking about it those 2 are the only really bad ones I can recall. Turns out most of the time Cops are justified
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This happened in my hometown of Cleveland. The officer name was Loehmann.
Here is the cherry on top of these shootings. Even if the cop does escape real legal consequences, but gets terminated, guess what? They eventually get hired by another department.
Which I believe happened at some point in this case.
Also, there was some controversy with one of the cops going by an alias to play in some rec football league. Then when people found out who it was they wanted him off the team.
Not 100% sure if all those details are correct though. May want to verify the details. It might have been the cop from the Tim Russell shooting. Though
I also grew up with and knew Timothy Russell. Another insane Cleveland police shooting story.
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What the fuck are you crying about now? These “cherry picked” examples are ones that anti-cop twats like yourself are out there complaining/protesting/rioting/suing about. Again, still running your mouth, but when the gauntlet is laid down, you French-exit, tuck, and run
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I am very familiar with Tamil Rice, and I will address that when I reply to WklSportsMemes
I don’t know what the other one was
