Law THE POLICE SHOOTING/USE OF FORCE MEGATHREAD: discussions to determine if justified or not

[nhbbear]

What Department? What State? In my State a complaint against an Officer has to be notarized. So a phoned in complaint would be given a number, and assigned to an investigator. Your Chief throwing that complaint in the trash without pushing it through formal channels is a crime here. I'm guessing it is in your jurisdiction also. And stop with the fictional stories. I'm only concerned with non-fiction. Policy, statute, code, and Relevant Case Law.

You are stacking L's.

Stacking l’s? Because you say so? Yeah, ok. And no, complaints do not have to be motorized for an internal matter. Now, allegations of excessive force or something criminal would have to be investigated by the state police. Bullshit complaints like I described do not. What crime we as committed and would have to be investigated because I dumped a bottle of cheap beer onto a sidewalk caked with nasty river mud and sewage and some mutant called to complain? That would be motorized in your state?

Now, the current chief did install an office of professional standards that handles the complaints and submits a finding to the chief whether the complaint is sustained or rejected. When he first took office, he scheduled meetings with every supervisor. I was a sergeant when he came on. We spoke about the direction he was planning to take the department and that included the professional standards. He asked if I was interested and I told him absolutely not. No way was I coming out of patrol division as the highest ranking sergeant on my shift to sit at a desk and read complaints written in crayon or have to talk to angry citizens over mostly stupid shit.

Before this chief, the previous three I worked under had the shift commander read the complaint and determine whether it even went to the chief’s deak. But the only thing that would be investigated and passed onto the state police would be allegations along criminal lines. In my state, all the state police are notaries and I don’t know the process of how they investigate. And it’s not that citizen complaints weren’t taken seriously, but the shit that the people I mentioned were such a joke that there’s nothing to investigate. Never had Garrity rights read. Never accused of any misconduct. Never wrecked or damaged a cruiser or other equipment except on the day of that flood where we were all assigned an area and assist fire department in getting people out of their homes that were hit by the flood. It was absolutely everywhere and we went to a hardware store and asked them if they had any inflatable rafts, which they did and they gave it to us. We were all soaked to the bone from the deluge, but when I was on that little raft and was trying to help a woman into the raft, I fell in and my gun and radio were damaged from the water. Again, not an investigation. I had to fill out damage to city property form and had the radio replaced and our armorer simply stripped my gun and cleaned it.

And again with “not interested in fiction.” First, you claim I am pretending that I was a cop for almost 20 years on here and I am making ahit up. Boy, I must have quite the imagination. But go ahead and tell me what code was violated by the incidents I described. There wasn’t even any applicable policy that could have been violated based upon those complaints.

Dinner time, so I don’t have time to read what other bullshit you commented on. Will get to it later, it I am sure it is a solid argument like bricks aren’t dangerous.

 

[Joshuaace]

I was debating posting a pic of my wife putting my lieutenant bars on me at a ceremony, but last time I did that, a mod erased it because he said I was doxing myself,

You can't dox yourself. But I don't want you to be doxxed, so please don't post any self identifying information without completely understanding potential ramifications. But obvoiusly, we have several members who openly own their Dawg account under their real name.

It's your words, your attitude about oath, policy, reverance for life, and a thousand other things. You are either a phony, or a dirty SOB that cost some municipality a shit ton of money before they canned you.

One of the role models that came in to my life when I was troubled teen was a Sherrifs Deputy. For over 40 years I've had someone close to me that has a genuine Duty of Service. What you are doing is akin to stealing military valor.

 

[nhbbear]

While there are many things to dislike about that city, it is still the hometown of Bone Thugs N Harmony. 1st of tha Month is a timeless classic.

It describes a total lifestyle. You ALWAYS knew you would be very busy the first few days of the month when those fucking checks came out and everyone was swimming in drugs and alcohol.

Even now, the first few days of the month affect me. First, I work in an emergency room as the hospital’s security supervisor. My office is actually on the other side of the metal detector and every single end of the month and beginning of the month are insane. The end of the month is people coming into the er to get a free bed and food for a couple days until those checks come out. Especially during the winter months when the homeless are trying to stay out of the cold(despite winter freeze shelters, soup kitchens, the library during the day, Salvation Army and homeless coalition, etc. They come in via ambulance screaming about some pain to try and get pain meds and then they fucking know to say “I feel like killing myself” which means automatic room and board for three days in which they sit in a warm room and get fed and medicated while one of my guards has to sit on them 24/7. Then magically, on the 1st, they no longer want to kill themselves. Then, around the 5th or 6th, they come back in because all their money is gone and now they may actually want to harm themselves. Also, the first three days of the month are overdose city. We have the fire department radio up in the office(wish we had the pd, but the chief, whom is a dickhead, won’t authorize it-of course, we could use the app to listen to the police scanner, but all the juicy stuff is over code and you can’t listen) and all day long you hear fd getting dispatched to overdoses and often at least one doa during those first few days. Then on the 15th, ssi checks come out and it is a lot less than the 1st, but it is enough for a few overdoses.

And the great news is that you and I pay for all of it. Back in September, I had a dude high on meth and fentanyl in a car wreck and dui go nuts in the car scan room. We had to fight and restrain him and they dosed him with some knockout meds to calm him down. He tried to punch, threw a metal tray, and tried to bite one of my guards. He calmed down a bit after the meds and they wanted to continue the cat scan to make sure he wasn’t internally bleeding due to a very minor car accident. He came in on an ambulance of course, which is around $900(I know because my wife got stung by a hornet and had a bad reaction and was transported and is we are laying off that bill). Anyway, when they tried to continue the cat scan, he went nuts again. He started swinging and jumped up on the table, which is really high off the ground he throws a punch and starts windmilling backwards and is going to fall and hit his head. I reached out, grabbed the back of his knees and lifted him up and over my shoulder. So I have him slung over my shoulder and he starts elbowing me in the back of the head and hitting me. I couldn’t put him down immediately because too many people were crowded around so I took a few shots. Finally, put him down and restrained him. More meds, including versed and morphine. He gets a cat scan and an mri, which of course shows nothing.

An hour later, I get sick to my stomach and my shoulder is killing me: I go into the er and I get an xray, but they won’t do a cat scan or mri because you know, I have a job and this is worker’s comp. It took 5 weeks of insisting and arguing before they ok’d an mri. It showed that I had dislocated my shoulder and I was on restricted duty until just this week. Also, my shoulder was killing me when I was in the emergency room. They ordered me dilauded (like morphine) and then when they found out it was comp, they changed it. Did I get pain meds? Nope: 1000 mg’s of Tylenol and discharge.

Then, 2 weeks ago, my back goes out. Not a comp claim. I got two cat scans that day. Why? Because now I had to pay the bill.

It fucking pisses me off. Total shitbags with no insurance get mri’s and cat scans immediately and free ambulance rides so they can game the system, get drugged up, and a warm bed for three or four days when they say they want to hurt themselves. Meanwhile, on comp, my care sucked balls. But when it was on my insurance I would have to pay for, I got everything. Why do the shitheels get the royal treatment? Because the er bills the state and you and I pay for it

 

[Joshuaace]

I said it many times, I would have done things differently, but that doesn’t mean the options they used were wrong.

This aint about you. What you would have done is irrelevant. Not following Policy is what make the tactics wrong. It's about whether the shooting of Vargas was NECCESARY. That's the standard in California. Not, was this shooting justifiable, but was it neccesary. Unless they followed every policy in determining the neccessity of their actions in taking a life, it was a bad shoot.
Every single policy, and I have demonstrated to anyone with a plus 70 IQ that they in fact did violate multiple policies.

He also keeps claiming they violated policy and that Cali is a must de-escalate state. I don’t care. Why? Because they did try to talk him down and it didn’t work

Did they attempt to use any non lethal? Or do you not care?
So do you think his duty to de-escalate ends after a single sentence in a language the suspect MAY not understand?
Or when a Cop gets angry?
Or does it end when Vargas becomes an immediate threat to someone else nearby? Like Policy and Code require.

Yeah, ok. And no, complaints do not have to be motorized for an internal matter.

So ya just throw em in the garbage do you? What State was that. Might have a look at their criminal code and statute of limitations later.

That would be motorized in your state?

We don't file even the most bogus of community complaints in the trash. Again, I challenge you to post a policy or code that supports filing that complaint in the trash.

I must have quite the imagination.

And it's unhealthy. Concerned YOU will be one of these stories some day.

There wasn’t even any applicable policy that could have been violated based upon those complaints.

According to you. But you also didn't name a Dept. or even a State. And I just can't take your word for it. I need Non-Fiction.

 

[Joshuaace]

@nhbbear

Totality of circumstances, continuum of force.
Officers make commands
Vargas walks away(passive resistance)(Level 2)
Officers perform Felony stop on passively resistant Pedestrian(level 4)


Dude was baited into throwing the brick to justify the use of force that follow.

It's like putting 3 bushels of Apples at the bottom of a Deer Stand and calling it a "fair chase" hunt.


Get some help though. Talk to a Dr. Sounds like that isn't very far from your post at the parking garage. FPP

 

[Via Heeto]

Oh, hell yes I shit all over cleveland. It is a shithole from whence many of our worst criminals come from.

Jesus are you an idiot and making shit up. I didn’t say I hated everyone from Cleveland. I basically said “yes, I absolutely hate the shitbags from there they move here to bring crime, drugs, gangs, violence, and murder” and I said Cleveland is a shithole. I say the same about Chicago, Philly, Oakland, Portland, and several other places. That doesn’t mean I hate the good citizens there. It means I hate the city and I think it sucks. And I have a damn good reason to hate Cleveland considering how many times I have had to fight their thugs, been attacked by them, and investigate their murders.

And again, holy shit are you an absolute moron and making shit up. First, you claimed I have murdered people, then you claimed I said I hated the community I serve, then you just now claimed I have violated rights and planted shit, and terrorized my community. What a fucking retard

yea, in your quote you most definitely did not shit all over the entire city. i mean i don't know how "I shit all over Cleveland" can be taken any other way. Either you are just dumb (and being a cop makes me think this is the case) or you don't know that saying an entire city is a shithole means you are shitting on an entire city. Saying they have a lot of shitbags from there AFTER you said the entire city sucks doesn't clean that up

and i said you probably did those things. guess you should look that word up. i say that as an educated guess. not a big leap to make considering the things you have already said and admitted to, not to mention your defending cops no matter how dirty they may be

 

[deadshot138]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/us/decatur-alabama-shooting-officers-fired/index.html

 

[nhbbear]

yea, in your quote you most definitely did not shit all over the entire city. i mean i don't know how "I shit all over Cleveland" can be taken any other way. Either you are just dumb (and being a cop makes me think this is the case) or you don't know that saying an entire city is a shithole means you are shitting on an entire city. Saying they have a lot of shitbags from there AFTER you said the entire city sucks doesn't clean that up

and i said you probably did those things. guess you should look that word up. i say that as an educated guess. not a big leap to make considering the things you have already said and admitted to, not to mention your defending cops no matter how dirty they may be

Oh, look. More lies. I “defend cops no matter how dirty they are?” Is it possible for you to be more wrong on basically everything you say? I kind of doubt it, so you are either really dumb or are purposely lying and both are pretty bad. Saying I shit all over a city means I talk bad about it. You are being so disingenuous and flat out lying that I am saying there are no good people from these cities. I am saying there are a ton of shitbag criminals in these cities and/or their leadership and criminal justice system due to progressive district attorneys like larry krasner in Philly, alvin bragg in nyc, george gascon in la, and too many others that refuse to prosecute crimes making their cities basically lawless.


Saying there are a lot of shitbag criminals in Cleveland is a fucking absolute FACT as is saying they have populated my area for the sole purpose to commit crimes. Again, almost every single one of our kingpin level dealers are from Cleveland with very few exceptions. The others are from nyc, Detroit(all cities I shit all over as well), and a few other places. We only have a few home grown dealers that move more than just small street deals. And during my career, so many of the murders and shootings we responded to were committed by Cleveland shitbags. Almost every single one.

Here is another fact that strengthens my case about cleveland being a shithole: Cleveland currently ranks as the sixth most dangerous city in the U.S. according to a recent study.Aug 1, 2023. So you can fuck right off with your misinformation and lies.




Look, you goof, I constantly bash bad cops. I have done it in this thread more than a few times. I hate dirty cops and I have reported more than one, and I have been telling the same stories
About those incidents for years.

One cop I worked with ran up to a guy that had a warrant and instead of talking to him and explaining “hey, we’ve got a warrant for you and you are under arrest…” he runs up behind the guy as I am parking the cruiser and he slams the guy into a store window and the guy, being confused as to why he just got slammed into glass behind to struggle and dickhead is about to strike him. I was out of the car and ran up and slammed the officer against the same wall and told him to back the fuck off: I then explained to the man that there were warrants for his arrest, put him in the car, and gave dickhead a minute to collect himself. He gets in and we just stare at each other and he says “you and I are going to have a talk later” and I said “fuck yes we are.” I drive us back to hq, walk the prisoner in and remove his cuffs and hook him to the arrest bench and point to the camera and said “do you think you can avoid beating him while I go to the bathroom?”


I didn’t have to use the bathrooms I walked straight to the lieutenant’s office and told him what just happened and I told the Lt that if I hadn’t slammed him against the wall, he was going to hit him. I had been on the department for a little over a year at that point and my “partner” had six or seven (I got held over due to an officer shortage and I had worked with him only once before that: I told the Lt that I witnessed excessive force and wanted to report it.

Lt and I went to the processing area, told dixkhead to leave the room, and the Lt asked the guy what happened to his nose(it was bleeding from where it hit the store front. He says “I fell earlier” and I said “no you didn’t, that other officer slammed you into a window tor no reason.” And he responds that I was lying. The Lt excuses me and speaks to the guy alone about what happened. He calls in another unit to process and transport the guy to jail for the warrant, which was for burglary or we (the Lt) would have kicked him loose. My dickhead partner also wanted to charge him with drunk in public because a. The guy was drunk and b. Because he was a dick and I think he was going to try to justify or make up some reason why he used any force at all. I wrote up my complaint in the Lt’s office while dixkhead wrote up the report.

Our “talk” went like this. He said I didn’t know that guy and he is very dangerous. He then said “don’t you ever put your hands on me again. Ny response was that he better just stay the fuck away from me altogether and if I ever saw him put his hands on anyone else without cause, I would whip ass in the spot.

In the end, the victim absolutely refused to cooperate and maintained that I made it all up. I got called into the chief’s offfice and I explained what happened and he said without the victim, he couldn’t do anything: I then said that if I saw someone else do that I would arrest them for battery and asked if I could have arrested my partner and he said I would have to call the state police or another agency would have to make the arrrest. I only worked with that asshole one other time and that’s another story, but he spiraled out of control and got fired.

That was one of the very few times I have ever seen another officer do dirt and I reported one other one as well and as I have long said and maintained that dirty officers don’t do their dirt in front of good officers.

And finally, your lies about stuff I have “admitted to” that “probably” (not what you said, btw-you said you were sure I have committed murder, crimes, and violated people’s rights. What have I ever said or admitted to? Are you basing on that incredibly weak ass stuff about ahitting all over crime ridden cities? Jesus, you’re a fucking idiot.

 

[nhbbear]

@nhbbear

Totality of circumstances, continuum of force.
Officers make commands
Vargas walks away(passive resistance)(Level 2)
Officers perform Felony stop on passively resistant Pedestrian(level 4)


Dude was baited into throwing the brick to justify the use of force that follow.

It's like putting 3 bushels of Apples at the bottom of a Deer Stand and calling it a "fair chase" hunt.


Get some help though. Talk to a Dr. Sounds like that isn't very far from your post at the parking garage. FPP

Wrong again. He threatened to hit the woman with that brick because she dared to call the police after he stole and threatened her with deadly force. That is not passive resistance. That is a felony he already committed, proving he is a threat. Oh, but he didn’t threaten the officers with the brick and they tricked him into throwing at his head. Yeah, that’s exactly the same as a canned hunt. Jesus, if you really are a paralegal or defense attorney or whatever you claimed to be, you are violating your client’s rights by being mentally unable to provide a legitimate defense.

You are completely proving my point by mentioning totality of the circumstances because the officers were told that Vargas already committed a violent felony and was in fact, a threat or danger to the officers or anyone else he came in contact with. What a fucking swing and a miss.

And what are you even talking about a parking garage for? Are you having a stroke, or just more retardation?

 

[nhbbear]

This aint about you. What you would have done is irrelevant. Not following Policy is what make the tactics wrong. It's about whether the shooting of Vargas was NECCESARY. That's the standard in California. Not, was this shooting justifiable, but was it neccesary. Unless they followed every policy in determining the neccessity of their actions in taking a life, it was a bad shoot.
Every single policy, and I have demonstrated to anyone with a plus 70 IQ that they in fact did violate multiple policies.



Did they attempt to use any non lethal? Or do you not care?
So do you think his duty to de-escalate ends after a single sentence in a language the suspect MAY not understand?
Or when a Cop gets angry?
Or does it end when Vargas becomes an immediate threat to someone else nearby? Like Policy and Code require.






So ya just throw em in the garbage do you? What State was that. Might have a look at their criminal code and statute of limitations later.



We don't file even the most bogus of community complaints in the trash. Again, I challenge you to post a policy or code that supports filing that complaint in the trash.



And it's unhealthy. Concerned YOU will be one of these stories some day.



According to you. But you also didn't name a Dept. or even a State. And I just can't take your word for it. I need Non-Fiction.

“This isn’t about you?” You’re the one that said you would have tackled him in the first place. It’s not about you because you have never done a day of police work in your life. N As a retired officer, me discussing what I would have done differently is absolutely relevant.

Douchebag, I don’t have to name a state or my department. And officers don’t have to use non-lethal force when he actively tries to commit murder or cause very serious bodily harm by throwing a brick. He already committed a violent felony when he threatened to hit the woman with the brick because she reported his crimes. So you’re try to say that if is a policy violation because an officer used deadly/lethal force when he committed the same level of force. I mentioned very long ago the 1+1 theory where officers can use one level of force above what the suspect prevents. Then you mention it like it refutes what I am saying. You mentioning that is bolstering my case and you’re too dumb or disingenuous to realize that. And then there is graham v Connor in which it is explicitly stated that when referring to a use of force matrix/continuum(some guy actually copyrighted the term use of force continuum, so we better be careful about using that term), officers do not have to go in order up the ladder if lesser levels are force are believed to be ineffectual. Officers tried to de-escalate the situation from the start, but we’re back to the notion that he might not have spoken or understood English? What an absolute joke. That’s quite the bigoted comment that because he is Hispanic that he doesn’t speak or understand English, especially “stop.” And then there’s the universal language of pointing a gun at someone. He knows the crimes he committed because he was the one that committed them. You are being ridiculously obtuse by trying to say that he didn’t know what the officers were ordering him to do and being really dumb when, in your post after this one, claim the officers “baited him like a deer with apples” to throw the brick at the officers just so they could shoot him.

And “you just throw em in the trash, huh?” No, I have never taken a complaint against an officer and thrown it in the trash. I had to take complaints and give out the forms when requested as a supervisor. I had a stack of them in my cruiser and we kept them at hq for when people come in. I never tried to dissuade them from getting a complaint form like some auditors found with some departments. I am actually pretty sure that some guy tried to do that with me one day when he came in and asked for a complaint form and I gave it to him without ever questioning what or whom he wanted to file a complaint about. I never did. If the person wanted to discuss it with me, I was ok doing so, but I never asked and if someone wanted to argue with me just to try and berate a cop because of what another officer did, I would tell them “I wasn’t the one that did what you are complaining about and if you would like to file a written complaint, I have the forms right here.” And most times, the person would realize what I was saying was correct and apologize for bitching at me.

And once again, with the trash comment or state statute or policy, I dumped out an open container on a sidewalk. The woman called the chief, it wasn’t a written complaint-it was notes on what she was telling the chief and he realized how ridiculous it was and that is why he tossed it. And whether it was a written or official complaint, I wasn’t the one that shitcanned it, the chief did. He only called me into the office because he found it amusing and wanted me to know. It was one of the few times I had ever been in that particular chief’s office, and there were reasons for that. First, I didn’t do anything wrong that would land me in there. Second, he just didn’t operate that way with an open door policy. Third, I wasn’t a supervisor until he left the department. And fourth, he left the department because he was overwhelmingly voted out with a no confidence vote in a something like 72-8 vote and it was mostly administration working directly under him that voted in his favor.
And what the hell does “you’re going to become one of these stories” even mean?

Talk about stacking up the L’s. Maybe you should just give up on this one because you’re sucking at this.

 

[nhbbear]

You can't dox yourself. But I don't want you to be doxxed, so please don't post any self identifying information without completely understanding potential ramifications. But obvoiusly, we have several members who openly own their Dawg account under their real name.

It's your words, your attitude about oath, policy, reverance for life, and a thousand other things. You are either a phony, or a dirty SOB that cost some municipality a shit ton of money before they canned you.

One of the role models that came in to my life when I was troubled teen was a Sherrifs Deputy. For over 40 years I've had someone close to me that has a genuine Duty of Service. What you are doing is akin to stealing military valor.

Holy shit, where to begin with this one. You say you don’t want me doxxed, yet keep demanding my department and state. Make up your fuxking mind, birdbrain. And what exactly have I ever said that indicates that I violated or have no reverence or oath or policy? After I was on light duty with my second shoulder injury from on duty incidents, they had me rewriting policy. I started with the use of force policies and was working my way through the response to domestic violence calls when I had my second shoulder surgery.

My reverence for life is very strong. I put myself at risk many times to save lives and have done so many times. I even got stabbed in the hand when I grabbed the knife hand of a man that was slicing his own throat. And this was after I jumped on the hood of his car to try and stop him from driving the wrong way on a highway to ram into another vehicle to commit suicide. So I got myself cut by a knife that had his blood on it and had to get tested for aids and hep c for six weeks and then again at six months because of that. And my wife was five month pregnant when this happened. Another time, there was a vehicle pursuit that was driving the wrong way on a very major interstate. I drove towards him and swerved back and forth trying to stop the traffic behind me so he wouldn’t kill someone. I out myself in harm’s way to prevent lives being taken and when he saw that I was planning to take him head-on, he did a u-turn and went the correct way on the highway, however, he eventually got behind a woman that was going the speed limit and began ramming her out of the way. I was the lead car in that chase at that very moment and I stopped my pursuit to check on her even though I would have rather chased him. And this was also the second time I had gone head-on with a vehicle pursuit going the wrong way in a highway. This first time, at the time this was taking place, I was supposed to be swearing in and taking my oath as a corporal at that time. It ended soon after and I remember my adrenaline kicking in so bad that I couldn’t feel my foot pushing on the brake. It began and ended out of our jurisdiction, so as soon as he was caught, we cleared the call and went to swear me in and I was still shaking from the adrenaline.

And “troubled teen?” Gee, I would have never guessed that with your heavy disdain for all law enforcement, save your personal deputy. And you claim to know that I violated policies, my oath, and cost my city a huge settlement. I have never, ever been sued. There was one incident where we had to fight a guy on the side of a busy highway because he and his buddy were refusing to get out of the vehicle per Pa v Mimms. They refused to accept that the original officer was an actual police officer because he was a k-9 handler and they claimed his uniform (bdu pants and a different kind of shirt and different kind of shirt than the rest of us wore) and they called 911 to report that someone had pulled them over claiming to be an officer despite the clearly marked police cruiser. He refused to sign a ticket( which at that time, was an arrestable offense) or exit the vehicle. I was the only one that said that we absolutely should not bust out the windows of the vehicle to get them out because there was a kid in the backseat. I also repeatedly told the other officers that they were trying to bait them into doing exactly this because I said they were fishing for a lawsuit. After he eventually agreed to sign the ticket, another officer tried to grab his wrist and he stabbed the officer with the pen. All this was in body camera, and even though I helped restrain him and used force to subdue him in a very, very dangerous situation next to a very busy highway with fast moving traffic. So I remember that every time a semi drove by, it shook the road and the force that they caused by going 70 mph, which is scary af and very precarious which allows for officers to use a higher level of force. Anyway, every single officer (6 of them) were sued by this guy except me. I got called into the chief’s office about this one because the lawyer that was suing those other officers mentioned me by name as the only officer with integrity on that call, so the chief demanded to know if I was talking to anyone about the case, which I was not. This was all based upon the body camera footage and my objections to use any kind of force to get them out of the vehicle or break the windows.

And finally, stolen valor. Really? Shut the fuck up. That’s ridiculous accusation. You’re losing your shit and losing this argument and you are really, really reaching and it’s really pathetic.

 

[Joshuaace]

@nhbbear

FPP disorder. Seek help.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

You guys stealing cop valor?

 

[Joshuaace]

You guys stealing cop valor?

I think he is. Fantasy-prone personality disorder.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

I think he is. Fantasy-prone personality disorder.

He’s definitely a retired cop.

 

[oldshadow]

He had a deadly weapon in his hand and had already threatened someone with it. He was a danger to the public. He was justified in having the firearm ready the position. Until the guy was in position to throw it low ready would have been better, but that's just me. From the moment the guy went to the position to throw the brick shooting was justified.

Are there plenty of other things that might have been tried according the the armchair squad. Of course they could have called animal control and used their tranquilizer guy and net.

 

[Via Heeto]

Oh, look. More lies. I “defend cops no matter how dirty they are?” Is it possible for you to be more wrong on basically everything you say? I kind of doubt it, so you are either really dumb or are purposely lying and both are pretty bad. Saying I shit all over a city means I talk bad about it. You are being so disingenuous and flat out lying that I am saying there are no good people from these cities. I am saying there are a ton of shitbag criminals in these cities and/or their leadership and criminal justice system due to progressive district attorneys like larry krasner in Philly, alvin bragg in nyc, george gascon in la, and too many others that refuse to prosecute crimes making their cities basically lawless.


Saying there are a lot of shitbag criminals in Cleveland is a fucking absolute FACT as is saying they have populated my area for the sole purpose to commit crimes. Again, almost every single one of our kingpin level dealers are from Cleveland with very few exceptions. The others are from nyc, Detroit(all cities I shit all over as well), and a few other places. We only have a few home grown dealers that move more than just small street deals. And during my career, so many of the murders and shootings we responded to were committed by Cleveland shitbags. Almost every single one.

Here is another fact that strengthens my case about cleveland being a shithole: Cleveland currently ranks as the sixth most dangerous city in the U.S. according to a recent study.Aug 1, 2023. So you can fuck right off with your misinformation and lies.




Look, you goof, I constantly bash bad cops. I have done it in this thread more than a few times. I hate dirty cops and I have reported more than one, and I have been telling the same stories
About those incidents for years.

One cop I worked with ran up to a guy that had a warrant and instead of talking to him and explaining “hey, we’ve got a warrant for you and you are under arrest…” he runs up behind the guy as I am parking the cruiser and he slams the guy into a store window and the guy, being confused as to why he just got slammed into glass behind to struggle and dickhead is about to strike him. I was out of the car and ran up and slammed the officer against the same wall and told him to back the fuck off: I then explained to the man that there were warrants for his arrest, put him in the car, and gave dickhead a minute to collect himself. He gets in and we just stare at each other and he says “you and I are going to have a talk later” and I said “fuck yes we are.” I drive us back to hq, walk the prisoner in and remove his cuffs and hook him to the arrest bench and point to the camera and said “do you think you can avoid beating him while I go to the bathroom?”


I didn’t have to use the bathrooms I walked straight to the lieutenant’s office and told him what just happened and I told the Lt that if I hadn’t slammed him against the wall, he was going to hit him. I had been on the department for a little over a year at that point and my “partner” had six or seven (I got held over due to an officer shortage and I had worked with him only once before that: I told the Lt that I witnessed excessive force and wanted to report it.

Lt and I went to the processing area, told dixkhead to leave the room, and the Lt asked the guy what happened to his nose(it was bleeding from where it hit the store front. He says “I fell earlier” and I said “no you didn’t, that other officer slammed you into a window tor no reason.” And he responds that I was lying. The Lt excuses me and speaks to the guy alone about what happened. He calls in another unit to process and transport the guy to jail for the warrant, which was for burglary or we (the Lt) would have kicked him loose. My dickhead partner also wanted to charge him with drunk in public because a. The guy was drunk and b. Because he was a dick and I think he was going to try to justify or make up some reason why he used any force at all. I wrote up my complaint in the Lt’s office while dixkhead wrote up the report.

Our “talk” went like this. He said I didn’t know that guy and he is very dangerous. He then said “don’t you ever put your hands on me again. Ny response was that he better just stay the fuck away from me altogether and if I ever saw him put his hands on anyone else without cause, I would whip ass in the spot.

In the end, the victim absolutely refused to cooperate and maintained that I made it all up. I got called into the chief’s offfice and I explained what happened and he said without the victim, he couldn’t do anything: I then said that if I saw someone else do that I would arrest them for battery and asked if I could have arrested my partner and he said I would have to call the state police or another agency would have to make the arrrest. I only worked with that asshole one other time and that’s another story, but he spiraled out of control and got fired.

That was one of the very few times I have ever seen another officer do dirt and I reported one other one as well and as I have long said and maintained that dirty officers don’t do their dirt in front of good officers.

And finally, your lies about stuff I have “admitted to” that “probably” (not what you said, btw-you said you were sure I have committed murder, crimes, and violated people’s rights. What have I ever said or admitted to? Are you basing on that incredibly weak ass stuff about ahitting all over crime ridden cities? Jesus, you’re a fucking idiot.

I am not reading all of that stupidity. You said "Oh, hell yes I shit all over cleveland. It is a shithole....."

You did not say a lot of shitholes come from there until after saying the entire city is a shithole. you said THE ENTIRE CITY IS A SHITHOLE. The fact that you can not grasp the difference is astounding. let me help you


"A lot of shitty people come from Cleveland...."

is not the same as

"Cleveland is a shithole where so many shitty people come from."

In the first you are not indicting the city. In the second, you are trashing the city, its people and everything about it."


i do not know how I can dumb that down any more for you officer Fife.

I just wonder how many people are still rotting in jail because you had a bad day and decided to make sure theirs was worse by inventing some crime they committed

 

[Via Heeto]

You can't dox yourself. But I don't want you to be doxxed, so please don't post any self identifying information without completely understanding potential ramifications. But obvoiusly, we have several members who openly own their Dawg account under their real name.

It's your words, your attitude about oath, policy, reverance for life, and a thousand other things. You are either a phony, or a dirty SOB that cost some municipality a shit ton of money before they canned you.

One of the role models that came in to my life when I was troubled teen was a Sherrifs Deputy. For over 40 years I've had someone close to me that has a genuine Duty of Service. What you are doing is akin to stealing military valor.

I would bet money his retirement was forced. You can see how unhinged he is in this forum. Can you imagine if you are a random citizen who happened to say something he didn't like on a particular day? You know he violated rights all the time and in this day of video cameras, that eventually catches us to you.

He reminds me of this cop telling citizens how he likes to kill them and laughing about other murdered citizens before making up charges to arrest someone. I am sure nhbitch would talk about what a fine cop he is though and was in fear for his life

 

[nhbbear]

I would bet money his retirement was forced. You can see how unhinged he is in this forum. Can you imagine if you are a random citizen who happened to say something he didn't like on a particular day? You know he violated rights all the time and in this day of video cameras, that eventually catches us to you.

He reminds me of this cop telling citizens how he likes to kill them and laughing about other murdered citizens before making up charges to arrest someone. I am sure nhbitch would talk about what a fine cop he is though and was in fear for his life

I’m unhinged? Look at the crazy allegations you’re making with zero proof. You’re the one losing it and have become pretty much obsessed with me, getting in weakass and cheap comments. You went out of your way to run your mouth in the awards thread. Wow, it’s amusing how much of an effect I am having on you.

And once again, despite you denying what you said and changing it to “probably” back to definitely claiming I violated rights, beat people; planted evidence, and the really laughable one is that I murdered people. You’re absolutely insane and it’s even sadder that you’re not even trolling.

And forced retirement? Actually, yes. I have said it many times and even made a thread on here announcing that I had to retire because I had 3 surgeries from work injuries-left shoulder twice and tthe last one was spinal surgery and the state codes actually state that you can’t be a police officer or a firefighter with a fused spine. I put off the surgery for many years until the spinal damage was making my legs give out. The worst was when I was walking down some steps and my leg went weak and I fell down 12 steps. Taken to emergency room and they did a cat scan. The surgeon that told me weeks before that they could do a minimally invasive surgery, after seeing the updated cat scan, told me that “we have to go in there asap, or you could lose the use of your legs.” I knew that a fused spine meant retirement so I had refused to get the surgery until they told me that.

But no, you are stating that you would bet money that my retirement was forced because of some misconduct. So, now the tally is that I was forced to retire because of violating rights, I have beaten people, I planted evidence, and I have murdered people. Do you realize how pathetic and insane you are? I mean, in my nearly 20 years spent mostly in the war room, I have ruffled so many feathers, but you might actually be the most affected and gotten to person I have ever dealt with on here. Like kong, braklis, and probxinginsdr have nothing on you:

 

[nhbbear]

I am not reading all of that stupidity. You said "Oh, hell yes I shit all over cleveland. It is a shithole....."

You did not say a lot of shitholes come from there until after saying the entire city is a shithole. you said THE ENTIRE CITY IS A SHITHOLE. The fact that you can not grasp the difference is astounding. let me help you


"A lot of shitty people come from Cleveland...."

is not the same as

"Cleveland is a shithole where so many shitty people come from."

In the first you are not indicting the city. In the second, you are trashing the city, its people and everything about it."


i do not know how I can dumb that down any more for you officer Fife.

I just wonder how many people are still rotting in jail because you had a bad day and decided to make sure theirs was worse by inventing some crime they committed

Ah, so sorry I used too many words that you wuh wuh would have had to sound out and it would have taken you too long to read. That is the laziest and easiest loss I have ever handed out, but it doesn’t even feel that good because it’s actually unfair because of your disabilities.

Yes, Cleveland is a shithole. If you could have read even a few paragraphs of that response, you would have seen that this year alone, Cleveland is the sixth most dangerous and crime ridden city in the country. And let’s just say for one moment that you were correct that by calling Cleveland a shithole, I was insulting every single citizen, good or bad alike. So the fuck what. It would have absolutely no bearing in on whether or not I violated rights, planted evidence, or murdered anyone. But, unfortunately for you, once again you are completely wrong and spewing lies again. I asked for proof that I hated and terrorized the community that I served and you said “I remember you talking bad about Cleveland once.” And I said hell yes, I shit on Cleveland all the time. And then I went into detail in that same post about almost all of our worst criminals are from Cleveland. Damn are you taking L’s all over the place, and you’re doing it in public and watching you unravel in real time. I feel guilty for kind of enjoying the show

And i guess I have to edit my last post and add “people rotting jail” to the other accusations of violating rights, planting evidence, and laughably, that I have murdered people.