The Patterson Footage .....

[OAKS]

Lots of really good casts of tracks. Meldrum has done extensive work with them.

Several DNA samples sent to be studied have come back as unknown primate.

 

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[MusterX]

I've thought about this a lot and I am basically unsure. The most convincing aspect to me is the hair and the fact that it clearly has breasts. Like who thinks to do that for a hoax?

But the face throws me off and makes me think hoax.


I honestly don't know.

The angle of its foot rise and knee bend is non-human, which I pointed out in Bill Munn's analysis video in post #148. Also the muscles are clearly visible under the hair in many of the frames.

 

[NewGuardBjj]

The angle of its foot rise and knee bend is non-human, which I pointed out in Bill Munn's analysis video in post #148. Also the muscles are clearly visible under the hair in many of the frames.

Hm, I dunno. I just wish we had more footage. It's quite possible all of these are extinct. And I haven't seen a single recent video that is compelling

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

That's absolutely not true. Meldrum takes it seriously and he is an anthropologist at Iowa State university and Bill Munn is one of the most experienced costume designers and special effects artists in Hollywood with decades of experience and he takes the film seriously, saying that there is no way that is a man in a suit. You may disagree but you can't claim that only "crazy people" believe it. Its just not true.

So many people can be so incredibly arrogant and narrow minded, that I've lost all desire to debate with the "don't bother me with the evidence, my mind is made up" crowd. Instead I opt for open discussion with like-minded, agnostic individuals like myself. I'm too old to give a fuck about trying to convince those who don't want to be convinced. Some people would call bullshit if Bigfoot hopped out a UFO and slapped them with his dick.

 

[Pwent]

I remember a few years back when watched a documentary on how impossible the movement was for a human to make. They had athletes, gymnasts and dancers try to imitate the walk and couldn't

 

[DoomPatrol]

That's absolutely not true. Meldrum takes it seriously and he is an anthropologist at Iowa State university and Bill Munn is one of the most experienced costume designers and special effects artists in Hollywood with decades of experience and he takes the film seriously, saying that there is no way that is a man in a suit. You may disagree but you can't claim that only "crazy people" believe it. Its just not true.

Meldrum is an idiot, and Bill Munn is a fucking idiot too if he really thinks that video of a man in a suit couldn't have possibly been a man in a suit. That is the most unfounded statement I've ever heard. Do you notice how your list of names is so short in such a big industry? It's because they are the 1% of morons in any significantly large group.

It's almost insulting that you think I should believe something so stupid. Everything in that video can be faked from the unusual stride to the stupid groin and arm pit movement.

Seriously I can't respect someone as an adult if they believe the Patterson video is real. We have proof of humans migrating to America about 15000 years ago. In 15,000 years of living on this patch of earth, there is not one single specimen to be found. There's no body, no bones, no DNA, nothing that can be attributed to a hidden ape species in North America.

Tell me the last time we discovered an entirely new species in North America that is anywhere near the size of bigfoot. Something entirely unknown to man. It was a long damned time ago because our woods aren't that big.

I don't care what schooling you have, if you take bigfoot seriously then you're a joke, anthropologist or not.

Bigfoot stories exist for this sole reason. Humans are superstitious and gullible.

 

[DoomPatrol]

I remember a few years back when watched a documentary on how impossible the movement was for a human to make. They had athletes, gymnasts and dancers try to imitate the walk and couldn't

 

[MusterX]

Hm, I dunno. I just wish we had more footage. It's quite possible all of these are extinct. And I haven't seen a single recent video that is compelling

The Patterson film is like the holy grail of Sasquatch video's but there have been other examples of ones that are well known. The 2nd most cited one is probably the 1994 Paul Freeman video. There are many different versions of it that have been stabilized and enhanced. I'll just post one as an example but you can look into other versions if you like.

 

[cabear]

what 's so special about BF's gait in the video? it looks like a big guy with knee problems kinda just taking long strides. Strap that big guy in a monkey suit with padding and that labored gait of his makes a lot more sense. if anything, he walks kinda like i do!

 

[NewGuardBjj]

The Patterson film is like the holy grail of Sasquatch video's but there have been other examples of ones that are well known. The 2nd most cited one is probably the 1994 Paul Freeman video. There are many different versions of it that have been stabilized and enhanced. I'll just post one as an example but you can look into other versions if you like.

Check out the one of the family shooting guns and the Bigfoot running in the background. That one is legit

 

[MusterX]

Meldrum is an idiot, and Bill Munn is a fucking idiot too if he really thinks that video of a man in a suit couldn't have possibly been a man in a suit. That is the most unfounded statement I've ever heard. Do you notice how your list of names is so short in such a big industry? It's because they are the 1% of morons in any significantly large group.

It's almost insulting that you think I should believe something so stupid. Everything in that video can be faked from the unusual stride to the stupid groin and arm pit movement.

Seriously I can't respect someone as an adult if they believe the Patterson video is real. We have proof of humans migrating to America about 15000 years ago. In 15,000 years of living on this patch of earth, there is not one single specimen to be found. There's no body, no bones, no DNA, nothing that can be attributed to a hidden ape species in North America.

Tell me the last time we discovered an entirely new species in North America that is anywhere near the size of bigfoot. Something entirely unknown to man. It was a long damned time ago because our woods aren't that big.

I don't care what schooling you have, if you take bigfoot seriously then you're a joke, anthropologist or not.

Bigfoot stories exist for this sole reason. Humans are superstitious and gullible.

Meldrum is a working anthropologist and Munn is a well respected Hollywood costume designer and special effects artist. If you want to ignore the available evidence feel free but you really should try some decaf, you have too much invested when you think everyone else is an idiot because they disagree with you.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

lol @ believing in Big foot

 

[Jar of Flies]

That clip is a pop culture footnote. It's basically a punchline whenever it's been shown on any media over the past 3 decades. TS makes that one guy arguing flat earth seem somewhat logical.

 

[MusterX]

So many people can be so incredibly arrogant and narrow minded, that I've lost all desire to debate with the "don't bother me with the evidence, my mind is made up" crowd. Instead I opt for open discussion with like-minded, agnostic individuals like myself. I'm too old to give a fuck about trying to convince those who don't want to be convinced. Some people would call bullshit if Bigfoot hopped out a UFO and slapped them with his dick.

There is always, always, resistance in the scientific community to new discoveries, especially big ones. Sooner or later the truth about this is going to come out and then they will all say, "well yea they exist, it was kinda self evident wasn't it?"

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

I heard the loch ness monster santa claus and big foot smoke weed together

 

[BearGrounds]

what 's so special about BF's gait in the video? it looks like a big guy with knee problems kinda just taking long strides. Strap that big guy in a monkey suit with padding and that labored gait of his makes a lot more sense. if anything, he walks kinda like i do!

Dr. Dmitri D. Donskoy
Chief of the Dept. of Biomechanics at the USSR Central Institute of Physical Culture in Moscow, 1973

As a result of repeated viewings of the walk of the two footed creature in the Patterson film and detailed examination of the successive stills from it, one is left with the impression of a fully spontaneous and highly efficient pattern of locomotion, with all the particular movements combined in an integral whole suggesting a smoothly operating and coherent system.

In all the strides the movement of the arms and of the legs is well coordinated. A forward swing of the right arm, for example, is accompanied by that of the left leg. This is called cross-limb coordination and is a must for man, and is natural in many patterns of locomotion in quadrupeds (in walking and trotting, for instance).

The strides are energetic and big, with the leg swung far forward. When man extends the leg that far he walks very fast and thus overcomes by momentum the "braking effect" of the virtual prop that is provided by the forward leg. Momentum is proportional to mass and speed, so the more massive the biped the less speed (and vice versa) is needed to overcome the braking effect of the leading leg in striding.

The arms move in swinging motions, which means the muscles are exerted at the beginning of each cycle, after which they relax and the movement continues by momentum. The character of the arm movements indicates that the arms are massive and the muscles strong.

After each heel strike the creature's leg bends, taking on the full weight of the body and smoothing over the impact of the step, acting as a shock absorber. During this phase certain muscles of the leg are extended and become tense in preparation for the subsequent toe-off.

In a normal human walk such considerable knee flexion as is exhibited by the film creature is not observed; it is practiced only in cross country skiing. This characteristic makes one think that the creature is very heavy and its toe-off is powerful, which would contribute to rapid progression.

In the swinging of the leg, considerable flexion is observed in the joints, with different parts of the limb lagging behind each other: the foot's movement is behind the shank's, which is behind the hip's. This kind of movement is peculiar to massive limbs with well-relaxed muscles. In such a case the movements of the limbs look fluid and easy, with no breaks or jerks in the extreme points of each cycle. The creature uses to great advantage the effect of muscle resilience, which is scarcely used by modern man in the usual conditions of life.

The gait of the creature is confident, the strides are regular, and exhibit no signs of loss of balance, of wavering, or any redundant movements. In the two strides during which the creature makes a turn to the right, in the direction of the camera, the movement is accomplished with a turn of the torso. This reveals alertness and, possibly, a somewhat limited mobility of the head. (True, in some critical situations man also turns his whole torso and not just head alone.) During the turn the creature spreads its arms widely to increase stability.

In the toe-off phase the sole of the creature's foot is visible. By human standards it is large for the height of the creature. No longitudinal arch typical of the human foot is in view. The hind part of the foot formed by the heel bone protrudes considerably back. Such proportions and anatomy facilitate the work of the muscles which make standing postures possible and increase the force of propulsion in walking. Lack of an arch may be caused by the great weight of the creature.

The movements are harmonious and repeated uniformly from step to step; harmony is provided by synergy (the combined operation of a whole group of muscles).

Since the creature is man-like and bipedal, its walk resembles in principle the gait of modern man. But all its movements indicate that its weight is much greater, its muscles especially much stronger, and its walk swifter than that of man.

Lastly, we can note a characteristic of the creature's walk that defies exact description: expressiveness of movement. In man this quality is sometimes manifest in goal-oriented sporting or labor activities, and leaves the impression of economy and accuracy of movement. This characteristic can be noted by an experienced observer even if he does not know the specifics of a given activity. “What need be done is neatly done” is another way of describing expressiveness of movement, which indicates that the motor system characterized by this quality is well adapted to the task it is called upon to perform. In other words, neat perfection is typical of those movements which through regular use have become habitual and automatic.

On the whole the most important thing is the consistency of all the above-mentioned characteristics. They not only simply occur, but interact in many ways. And all these factors taken together allow us to evaluate the walk of the creature as a natural movement, without any signs of artfulness that would appear in intentional imitations.

At the same time, despite the diversity of human gaits, such a walk as is demonstrated by the creature in the film is absolutely non-typical of man.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

There is always, always, resistance in the scientific community to new discoveries, especially big ones. Sooner or later the truth about this is going to come out and then they will all say, "well yea they exist, it was kinda self evident wasn't it?"

I remember reading something about when the locomotive was first invented, scientists thought that running at 40 mph would suck out all the oxygen and suffocate the passengers.

 

[Jar of Flies]

what 's so special about BF's gait in the video? it looks like a big guy with knee problems kinda just taking long strides. Strap that big guy in a monkey suit with padding and that labored gait of his makes a lot more sense. if anything, he walks kinda like i do!

I've seen about a thousand people who walk just like this. It looks exactly like how every tall clumsy guy I've ever known walks. Yet this is how the most elusive beast on the planet stealthily avoided the millions of people searching for it over the decades.

 

[cabear]

thanks for the reading @BearGrounds but i don't see it. :/