The Patterson Footage .....

What then of the quotes from Hollywood pros who say that, if it CAN be done, it would be very difficult? And expensive?

I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and ask if you run an FX house, but if I remember right you're an engineer or something along those lines.


You don't even need to be in Hollywood to make something that simple. Here is the creator of the suit discussing how easy it was to make it and how cheap it was to make.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/..._still_believes_the_1967_bigfoot_film_footage

On top of that here is the lie detector test with the man who wore the suit.





Seriously, don't be so gullible dude. It's not a good look for an adult.
 
I'm generally a skeptic but one thing I've read that's pretty interesting is the dimensions of the body (shoulder width, torso length, arm length); even if it was a human wearing a suit they wouldn't be able to create those dimensions

That's true, to the best of my knowledge.
 
You don't even need to be in Hollywood to make something that simple. Here is the creator of the suit discussing how easy it was to make it and how cheap it was to make.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/..._still_believes_the_1967_bigfoot_film_footage

On top of that here is the lie detector test with the man who wore the suit.





Seriously, don't be so gullible dude. It's not a good look for an adult.


I'll have to check all this out and get back to you.

As for me being gullible, if you pay attention you'll notice that I haven't said the footage is real or is not real.

What I don't like are people dismissing things out of hand when they haven't actually investigated them. You appear to have investigated this, so you have a right to your opinion. But many in this thread clearly have not, and therefore do not.
 
I'll have to check all this out and get back to you.

As for me being gullible, if you pay attention you'll notice that I haven't said the footage is real or is not real.

What I don't like are people dismissing things out of hand when they haven't actually investigated them. You appear to have investigated this, so you have a right to your opinion. But many in this thread clearly have not, and therefore do not.


I never speak on things I haven't thoroughly researched, but you don't really need to do much research to understand just how absurd the idea of a giant monkey roaming the woods of North America really is.
 
I never speak on things I haven't thoroughly researched, but you don't really need to do much research to understand just how absurd the idea of a giant monkey roaming the woods of North America really is.

I think it's unlikely, but I don't see any reason to believe it an impossibility. And you have to let the fact that many people in the Pacific Northwest have reported seeing a Bigfoot-like creature count for something.
 
I'm generally skeptical when it comes to things like this and I'm definitely no expert in anything related to anthropology, anatomy, SFX etc so my 2 cents really don't mean anything.

BUT even though all logic points to the impossibility of a 10 ft tall humanoid species roaming the American forests and evading discovery for centuries, the PGF looks eerily real to me and its the only "sighting footage" where I am legit perplexed.

Its likely fake though...
 
People will believe what they want to be true and you can't stop them. but anyone wavering, read this and then ask yourself if there isn't so much doubt over this clip that it's hardly worth considering it as useful evidence:

"You've seen it a hundred times: the iconic picture of Bigfoot striding heavily through the clearing, arms swinging, head and shoulders turned slightly toward the camera. This famous image is frame 352 of a 16mm silent color film shot in 1967 in northern California by rancher Roger Patterson, accompanied by his friend, Bob Gimlin. The impact that this film has had on Bigfoot mythology is inestimable; and correspondingly, so has its impact upon paranormal, cryptozoological, and pop culture mythologies in general. I might well not be doing the Skeptoid podcast today if the 1967 Patterson-Gimlin film had not turned legend and fancy into concrete, tangible, see-it-with-your-own-eyes reality.

Whether or not Bigfoot exists is one question — the answer to which has not exactly whitened the knuckles of science — but the authenticity of the Patterson-Gimlin film is something else. If Bigfoot were known to be a real animal, an investigation into the authenticity of the film would make sense. If Bigfoot were known to not exist, then it would be logically moot to study the film at all; it must be a fake. But for today's purpose, we're going to brush aside the larger question (which should never be done in real science) and focus only on this detail. We'll assume that the existence of Bigfoot is an open question (a big assumption), and just for fun, let's see what we can determine on whether this famous film clip is a deliberate hoax, or whether it shows a real animal, or whether there might be some other explanation. Maybe it's a misidentification, or an elaborate film flaw, or an unknown third party hoaxing Patterson and Gimlin. There are many possibilities.

Roger Patterson died of cancer only a few years after the film was shot, and never offered any clue other than that the film was genuine. Bob Gimlin remained silent for 25 years, and ever since he began speaking about it in the 1990s he has firmly stated that he was unaware of any hoax, but allowed for the possibility that he may have been hoaxed himself. Nobody else is known to have participated, and so the only two people whom we can say for certain were present when the film was shot are both stonewalls. So we must look elsewhere.

The original film no longer exists (only copies), and there is no record of anyone ever having possessed the original print. We don't know why, but we're left without the original film's leader, which would have included the date when it was developed. Thus, we have only Patterson's word for when it was developed, so we can't verify that the film was shot and developed on the days he claims it was. The original also would have included any other shots that were taken, such as possible alternate takes. If these were ever seen, we'd know for a fact that it was faked. So that's one more line of evidence that is unavailable to us.

No one has ever produced documentation like receipts showing when and where the film was developed. We know when and where Patterson rented the camera, but that's not really in dispute. He had it in his possession for plenty of time before and after the alleged date of the filming. So that's yet another dead end. Patterson covered his tracks very effectively (no Bigfoot pun intended).

He was quite a character, and had always been. He'd been a competitive rodeo cowboy, part-time rancher, and full-time slacker. Few who knew him had anything positive to say about him. His reputation was that he never paid his bills. He borrowed money, lied about it, and never paid it back. He was physically very strong — not an ounce of fat, and thick with muscles — and was fond of showing it off. He knew everything better than anyone, and nobody could tell him a thing. He never kept interest in one career very long. One day he'd build stagecoaches for miniature horses; the next day he'd repaint junk found at the dump and sell it. But his one saving grace was his wife Patricia. Patty had a brother in Yakima, WA, Al DeAtley, a successful asphalt contractor, who provided money whenever it was needed. It was this even keel that got Roger Patterson through.

The story goes that Patterson and Gimlin had developed a strong interest in Bigfoot, and in October 1967 they rented the movie camera and went off on horseback for a couple weeks to look for it. Next thing they knew, they'd become the luckiest Bigfoot hunters in history, when the creature obligingly stepped out of the woods and strode across the clearing for Patterson's camera, in the early afternoon of October 20th. Gimlin chased it on horseback, lost it, but found its footprints; then they rode about 5 kilometers back to camp for their plaster of paris. They rode back, poured plaster into the footprints, waited for it to dry, then went back to camp again. They loaded their horses into the trailer and drove 40 kilometers on rough fire roads back to Willow Creek, and posted the film off to Yakima to get it developed. It was about 4:00 in the afternoon.

The glaring impossibility of this timeline is what first raised suspicions among skeptics. In response, Patterson and Gimlin began providing all sorts of different versions of their story. Other suspicious cryptozoologists, such as Peter Byrne, found holes and contradictions in those stories. In the end, the version Patterson and Gimlin settled on was that they put the film onto a plane and flew it to Yakima, where Al DeAtley picked it up to have it developed. Byrne found that the only charter planes that could have flown that route that day were all grounded due to rain and bad weather. Since then, few serious researchers took Patterson and Gimlin's story seriously.

But the film had already grown larger than all of them. It was a sensation, and to this day, rakes in revenue in licensing fees. DeAtley backed Patterson and formed Bigfoot Enterprises on November 1, just 10 days after the shoot, and reported $200,000 in the first year. Make no mistake about it: for the late 1960s and a man who used dig through the dump, Bigfoot was big money. Throughout the 1970s, Patty Patterson, Al DeAtley, Bob Gimlin, and a wildlife film company fought numerous lawsuits with one another over the rights to the footage. The biggest winner was a Bigfoot fan named Rene Dahinden, who ended up with about half of the rights, and Patty with the other half.

It was in 2004 that author Greg Long dug into this mess to sort everything out. Over a period of six years, he actually went and met face to face with all of these characters who were still alive, and many other people — anyone he could find who knew Patterson or was involved in the film in any way. His entire adventure was published in his entertaining book The Making of Bigfoot: The Inside Story.

That wildlife film company just mentioned, American National Enterprises, turns out to have been pivotal. Patterson had been driving down to Hollywood a lot, trying to sell the idea of a pseudo-documentary about Bigfoot; based on Patterson's own self-published 1966 book Do Abominable Snowmen of America Really Exist? Studios wouldn't bite, but ANE did. It was with their money that Patterson rented his camera and took some pre-production stills of his buddies allegedly on a Bigfoot hunt, but actually in Patterson's own backyard. They included Bob Gimlin costumed up as a native American guide. ANE's movie was to be titled Bigfoot: America's Abominable Snowman.

Bob Heironimus was a sturdy, hulking 26-year-old laborer who lived a few doors down from Bob Gimlin. One day Gimlin told Heironimus that Patterson would pay him $1000 for a day's work on a film set wearing a costume. Heironimus readily agreed; that was a lot of money. He met with the men once or twice to try on a gorilla suit and make some adjustments. Then one day, he drove down to Willow Creek. He spent the night at their camp, and the next day they shot the footage.

ANE's money had also been used to buy the gorilla suit. It came from Philip and Amy Morris, established makers of gorilla suits for carnivals. They told Greg Long that they had recognized the suit when they saw Patterson's film on television, and that Patterson had asked their advice in modifying the suit to make the arms longer. They'd even shipped him extra synthetic fur, made from a material called Dynel. They also advised him to put a football helmet and shoulder pads on the suit wearer to make him look enormous. Not surprisingly, when Greg Long asked Bob Heironimus about the suit, he also mentioned that he wore a football helmet and shoulder pads inside of it.

Bob Heironimus then went home, where his mother and two brothers also saw the suit, and waited patiently for his $1000. In accordance with his character, Patterson never paid Heironimus a dime. When he saw the film hit it big, Heironimus feared prosecution for fraud for his role in its production, and so made no further efforts to collect, nor ever spoke up about it to anyone. A groundless fear perhaps, but very real for an honest and innocent young man.

The camera store had to file charges for theft against Patterson to get him to finally return the camera. ANE lost every penny of their investment; Patterson immediately abandoned their pseudo-documentary and, in essence, stole the film clip that was rightfully their intellectual property. It was only 30 years later that Greg Long was able to piece together the entire story by talking to all of those involved. Holes still remain; for example, Al DeAtley claims to have no recollection of where or when he supposedly developed the film, or how he received it from his brother in law. The October 20 timeline is clearly impossible as given, but no evidence could be found to provide actual dates for when the film was actually shot or developed. With much credit going to Greg Long, we now have a reasonably solid reconstruction of the film's complete history, with plenty of space in the gaps to fill with anything more plausible than the Patterson-Gimlin claim of the world's luckiest Bigfoot hunt.

In 1967, Roger Patterson was a young man, only 41 years old. He was strong and exuberant — an amateur boxer known for walking on his hands on the small town's main street — too lazy to take a regular job, too much in love with his wife Patricia, and too many stars in his eyes to stick within the confines of the even the flamboyant rodeo. He was inwardly happy but outwardly grumpy, frustrated with society's conventions that expected him to be less than he wanted to be. But even at that young age, he was dying of cancer. Roger may have had a year left or five, and his thoughts were consumed with providing for his beloved wife while still being the rascal that he needed to be. When Roger put that film cartridge into his camera, it wasn't with the careful eye of a cinematographer. Nor was it with the deliberate mischief of a hoaxer. It was with the vivacity of a happy-go-lucky shortcutter, a candle doomed to burn half as long, and desperate to burn twice as bright. His thoughts were on Patricia and with squeezing in one final success, a roll of the dice, a lottery ticket. If his Bigfoot movie failed, he would die as the obscure debtor as which he'd been cut out; but if he won, he'd be the flash in the pan that he needed to be to sustain his wife and justify his years of skylarking. Roger Patterson made the gamble he needed to make. The wheel of fortune spun, and as it does every once in a great while, it made Roger the winner. It turned Bigfoot into a real monster that walked across the clearing and into legend and permanence.

Just over four years later, Roger Patterson lay in bed and drew his final breaths. The film had been a great success, and brought in a constant stream of money unlike anything he'd ever known. Patricia securely owned enough of the film rights to sustain herself. When he finally closed his eyes, Roger went to that great Bigfoot pasture in the sky, without ever having compromising the eternal youth that was in his makeup to be. He never paid his bills. He never sold hours of his life. He never put in an honest day of someone else's work. He never sacrificed his lack of principles. He never gave up being untrustworthy and living his few years on his own terms. Yet, perhaps it was that insistence on being who he was that caused his film to outlive nearly everyone else of his day. Even as a hoax, the Patterson-Gimlin film is perhaps the most honest film ever made."
 
Ok bro. And thanks for outing yourself as perpetually gullible.

Funny how the same names pop up in every thread like this. It's like you guys have to believe in some nonsense or other to be happy

Here's what you don't get about me - I don't believe in Loch Ness, or most any other Bigfoot video - they're all shit hoaxes.

In the case of this film, though, I believe there is something unique. The reason is it has withstood a lot of analysis over time, and experts in many fields are baffled as to the accuracy of the being in the video. To dismiss it is ultimately conceding defeat - in that the video can't be replicated to this day.
 
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Meldrum is an idiot, and Bill Munn is a fucking idiot too if he really thinks that video of a man in a suit couldn't have possibly been a man in a suit. That is the most unfounded statement I've ever heard. Do you notice how your list of names is so short in such a big industry? It's because they are the 1% of morons in any significantly large group.

It's almost insulting that you think I should believe something so stupid. Everything in that video can be faked from the unusual stride to the stupid groin and arm pit movement.

Seriously I can't respect someone as an adult if they believe the Patterson video is real. We have proof of humans migrating to America about 15000 years ago. In 15,000 years of living on this patch of earth, there is not one single specimen to be found. There's no body, no bones, no DNA, nothing that can be attributed to a hidden ape species in North America.

Tell me the last time we discovered an entirely new species in North America that is anywhere near the size of bigfoot. Something entirely unknown to man. It was a long damned time ago because our woods aren't that big.

I don't care what schooling you have, if you take bigfoot seriously then you're a joke, anthropologist or not.

Bigfoot stories exist for this sole reason. Humans are superstitious and gullible.





You're getting desperate, aren't you ? When confronted with this video and the fact no one has been able to duplicate the suit, the muscle movements, or gait to this day, you simply dismiss it and call anyone who accepts it as "an idiot." If anything, you're conceding defeat with your brash, arrogance.
 
Dat toe curl.

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I'm telling you that two meth heads trying to scam people for money are capable of creating that suit and doing that stupid walk. You don't need some Hollywood team. You need one person with a sewing machine and time.

And when people say that gait is impossible, that is the most sensationalist shit I've ever heard. That is completely replicatable.

That's a cop out answer. Two yokels pulling off a suit and a walk with such bio-mechanical precision and bipedal ape gaited walk without an ounce of discrepency is very difficult to pull off.

Both P and G referred to Patty as a "he" for the longest time - it wasn't until much later on that the breasts were seen in high resolution. They were witnesses to something special.
 
Bob Heironimus was a sturdy, hulking 26-year-old laborer who lived a few doors down from Bob Gimlin. One day Gimlin told Heironimus that Patterson would pay him $1000 for a day's work on a film set wearing a costume. Heironimus readily agreed; that was a lot of money. He met with the men once or twice to try on a gorilla suit and make some adjustments. Then one day, he drove down to Willow Creek. He spent the night at their camp, and the next day they shot the footage

Do you realize that $1,000 in 1967 was worth over $7,000 in today's money ? Where the hell did Patterson get that type of money ? Even if he did, who would pay that much for a guy to walk in a suit ? The numbers do NOT add up.
 
Here's what you don't get about me - I don't believe in Loch Ness, or most any other Bigfoot video - they're all shit hoaxes.

In the case of this film, though, I believe there is something unique. The reason is it has withstood a lot of analysis over time, and experts in many fields are baffled as to the accuracy of the being in the video. To dismiss it is ultimately conceding defeat - in that the video can't be replicated to this day.

I don't believe it. It looks like a man in a suit and we've got the guy who made the suit and the man in the suit all admitting it. We've got a dodgy character in Patterson who lied and cheated people out of money etc. I don't buy the "cannot be replicated" stuff. I made an omelette an hour ago. I could not precisely replicate that. Sure it would be an omelette but it wouldn't be exactly the same. Things are often not the same twice. "Experts in many fields" covers a lot of ground. What they're not experts in is spotting fraudsters. James Randi and Banachek showed what gullible experts are like when they had scientists believing Banachek was a psychic kid capable of all manner of impossible feats until the secret got revealed. They get caught out over and over again. Gait analysis is educated guessing at the best of times but when you've not even got the timing the filming was made at in f/s then it's useless and since the original film and the timings used are not available, surpirse surprise, it's pointless worrying about such details. There is only so much "analysis" one can do from a copy of a film and most of it is entirely useless. The idea that it's proven that it could not be a man is laughable. It's a man.

The null hypothesis is clearly that there is not a species of giant ape-man wantering around unseen. Crappy films by huckters don't do anywhere near enough to make one move off the null hypothesis.

You want to believe it.. I get that. But don't be pissed that sensible people are not convinced by what is ostensibly a block in a monkey suit.
 
People will believe what they want to be true and you can't stop them. but anyone wavering, read this and then ask yourself if there isn't so much doubt over this clip that it's hardly worth considering it as useful evidence:

"You've seen it a hundred times: the iconic picture of Bigfoot striding heavily through the clearing, arms swinging, head and shoulders turned slightly toward the camera. This famous image is frame 352 of a 16mm silent color film shot in 1967 in northern California by rancher Roger Patterson, accompanied by his friend, Bob Gimlin. The impact that this film has had on Bigfoot mythology is inestimable; and correspondingly, so has its impact upon paranormal, cryptozoological, and pop culture mythologies in general. I might well not be doing the Skeptoid podcast today if the 1967 Patterson-Gimlin film had not turned legend and fancy into concrete, tangible, see-it-with-your-own-eyes reality.

Whether or not Bigfoot exists is one question — the answer to which has not exactly whitened the knuckles of science — but the authenticity of the Patterson-Gimlin film is something else. If Bigfoot were known to be a real animal, an investigation into the authenticity of the film would make sense. If Bigfoot were known to not exist, then it would be logically moot to study the film at all; it must be a fake. But for today's purpose, we're going to brush aside the larger question (which should never be done in real science) and focus only on this detail. We'll assume that the existence of Bigfoot is an open question (a big assumption), and just for fun, let's see what we can determine on whether this famous film clip is a deliberate hoax, or whether it shows a real animal, or whether there might be some other explanation. Maybe it's a misidentification, or an elaborate film flaw, or an unknown third party hoaxing Patterson and Gimlin. There are many possibilities.

Roger Patterson died of cancer only a few years after the film was shot, and never offered any clue other than that the film was genuine. Bob Gimlin remained silent for 25 years, and ever since he began speaking about it in the 1990s he has firmly stated that he was unaware of any hoax, but allowed for the possibility that he may have been hoaxed himself. Nobody else is known to have participated, and so the only two people whom we can say for certain were present when the film was shot are both stonewalls. So we must look elsewhere.

The original film no longer exists (only copies), and there is no record of anyone ever having possessed the original print. We don't know why, but we're left without the original film's leader, which would have included the date when it was developed. Thus, we have only Patterson's word for when it was developed, so we can't verify that the film was shot and developed on the days he claims it was. The original also would have included any other shots that were taken, such as possible alternate takes. If these were ever seen, we'd know for a fact that it was faked. So that's one more line of evidence that is unavailable to us.

No one has ever produced documentation like receipts showing when and where the film was developed. We know when and where Patterson rented the camera, but that's not really in dispute. He had it in his possession for plenty of time before and after the alleged date of the filming. So that's yet another dead end. Patterson covered his tracks very effectively (no Bigfoot pun intended).

He was quite a character, and had always been. He'd been a competitive rodeo cowboy, part-time rancher, and full-time slacker. Few who knew him had anything positive to say about him. His reputation was that he never paid his bills. He borrowed money, lied about it, and never paid it back. He was physically very strong — not an ounce of fat, and thick with muscles — and was fond of showing it off. He knew everything better than anyone, and nobody could tell him a thing. He never kept interest in one career very long. One day he'd build stagecoaches for miniature horses; the next day he'd repaint junk found at the dump and sell it. But his one saving grace was his wife Patricia. Patty had a brother in Yakima, WA, Al DeAtley, a successful asphalt contractor, who provided money whenever it was needed. It was this even keel that got Roger Patterson through.

The story goes that Patterson and Gimlin had developed a strong interest in Bigfoot, and in October 1967 they rented the movie camera and went off on horseback for a couple weeks to look for it. Next thing they knew, they'd become the luckiest Bigfoot hunters in history, when the creature obligingly stepped out of the woods and strode across the clearing for Patterson's camera, in the early afternoon of October 20th. Gimlin chased it on horseback, lost it, but found its footprints; then they rode about 5 kilometers back to camp for their plaster of paris. They rode back, poured plaster into the footprints, waited for it to dry, then went back to camp again. They loaded their horses into the trailer and drove 40 kilometers on rough fire roads back to Willow Creek, and posted the film off to Yakima to get it developed. It was about 4:00 in the afternoon.

The glaring impossibility of this timeline is what first raised suspicions among skeptics. In response, Patterson and Gimlin began providing all sorts of different versions of their story. Other suspicious cryptozoologists, such as Peter Byrne, found holes and contradictions in those stories. In the end, the version Patterson and Gimlin settled on was that they put the film onto a plane and flew it to Yakima, where Al DeAtley picked it up to have it developed. Byrne found that the only charter planes that could have flown that route that day were all grounded due to rain and bad weather. Since then, few serious researchers took Patterson and Gimlin's story seriously.

But the film had already grown larger than all of them. It was a sensation, and to this day, rakes in revenue in licensing fees. DeAtley backed Patterson and formed Bigfoot Enterprises on November 1, just 10 days after the shoot, and reported $200,000 in the first year. Make no mistake about it: for the late 1960s and a man who used dig through the dump, Bigfoot was big money. Throughout the 1970s, Patty Patterson, Al DeAtley, Bob Gimlin, and a wildlife film company fought numerous lawsuits with one another over the rights to the footage. The biggest winner was a Bigfoot fan named Rene Dahinden, who ended up with about half of the rights, and Patty with the other half.

It was in 2004 that author Greg Long dug into this mess to sort everything out. Over a period of six years, he actually went and met face to face with all of these characters who were still alive, and many other people — anyone he could find who knew Patterson or was involved in the film in any way. His entire adventure was published in his entertaining book The Making of Bigfoot: The Inside Story.

That wildlife film company just mentioned, American National Enterprises, turns out to have been pivotal. Patterson had been driving down to Hollywood a lot, trying to sell the idea of a pseudo-documentary about Bigfoot; based on Patterson's own self-published 1966 book Do Abominable Snowmen of America Really Exist? Studios wouldn't bite, but ANE did. It was with their money that Patterson rented his camera and took some pre-production stills of his buddies allegedly on a Bigfoot hunt, but actually in Patterson's own backyard. They included Bob Gimlin costumed up as a native American guide. ANE's movie was to be titled Bigfoot: America's Abominable Snowman.

Bob Heironimus was a sturdy, hulking 26-year-old laborer who lived a few doors down from Bob Gimlin. One day Gimlin told Heironimus that Patterson would pay him $1000 for a day's work on a film set wearing a costume. Heironimus readily agreed; that was a lot of money. He met with the men once or twice to try on a gorilla suit and make some adjustments. Then one day, he drove down to Willow Creek. He spent the night at their camp, and the next day they shot the footage.

ANE's money had also been used to buy the gorilla suit. It came from Philip and Amy Morris, established makers of gorilla suits for carnivals. They told Greg Long that they had recognized the suit when they saw Patterson's film on television, and that Patterson had asked their advice in modifying the suit to make the arms longer. They'd even shipped him extra synthetic fur, made from a material called Dynel. They also advised him to put a football helmet and shoulder pads on the suit wearer to make him look enormous. Not surprisingly, when Greg Long asked Bob Heironimus about the suit, he also mentioned that he wore a football helmet and shoulder pads inside of it.

Bob Heironimus then went home, where his mother and two brothers also saw the suit, and waited patiently for his $1000. In accordance with his character, Patterson never paid Heironimus a dime. When he saw the film hit it big, Heironimus feared prosecution for fraud for his role in its production, and so made no further efforts to collect, nor ever spoke up about it to anyone. A groundless fear perhaps, but very real for an honest and innocent young man.

The camera store had to file charges for theft against Patterson to get him to finally return the camera. ANE lost every penny of their investment; Patterson immediately abandoned their pseudo-documentary and, in essence, stole the film clip that was rightfully their intellectual property. It was only 30 years later that Greg Long was able to piece together the entire story by talking to all of those involved. Holes still remain; for example, Al DeAtley claims to have no recollection of where or when he supposedly developed the film, or how he received it from his brother in law. The October 20 timeline is clearly impossible as given, but no evidence could be found to provide actual dates for when the film was actually shot or developed. With much credit going to Greg Long, we now have a reasonably solid reconstruction of the film's complete history, with plenty of space in the gaps to fill with anything more plausible than the Patterson-Gimlin claim of the world's luckiest Bigfoot hunt.

In 1967, Roger Patterson was a young man, only 41 years old. He was strong and exuberant — an amateur boxer known for walking on his hands on the small town's main street — too lazy to take a regular job, too much in love with his wife Patricia, and too many stars in his eyes to stick within the confines of the even the flamboyant rodeo. He was inwardly happy but outwardly grumpy, frustrated with society's conventions that expected him to be less than he wanted to be. But even at that young age, he was dying of cancer. Roger may have had a year left or five, and his thoughts were consumed with providing for his beloved wife while still being the rascal that he needed to be. When Roger put that film cartridge into his camera, it wasn't with the careful eye of a cinematographer. Nor was it with the deliberate mischief of a hoaxer. It was with the vivacity of a happy-go-lucky shortcutter, a candle doomed to burn half as long, and desperate to burn twice as bright. His thoughts were on Patricia and with squeezing in one final success, a roll of the dice, a lottery ticket. If his Bigfoot movie failed, he would die as the obscure debtor as which he'd been cut out; but if he won, he'd be the flash in the pan that he needed to be to sustain his wife and justify his years of skylarking. Roger Patterson made the gamble he needed to make. The wheel of fortune spun, and as it does every once in a great while, it made Roger the winner. It turned Bigfoot into a real monster that walked across the clearing and into legend and permanence.

Just over four years later, Roger Patterson lay in bed and drew his final breaths. The film had been a great success, and brought in a constant stream of money unlike anything he'd ever known. Patricia securely owned enough of the film rights to sustain herself. When he finally closed his eyes, Roger went to that great Bigfoot pasture in the sky, without ever having compromising the eternal youth that was in his makeup to be. He never paid his bills. He never sold hours of his life. He never put in an honest day of someone else's work. He never sacrificed his lack of principles. He never gave up being untrustworthy and living his few years on his own terms. Yet, perhaps it was that insistence on being who he was that caused his film to outlive nearly everyone else of his day. Even as a hoax, the Patterson-Gimlin film is perhaps the most honest film ever made."
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claymation isn't the same as a suit
Word on the street from a reliable sauce (John Lithgow) they lured Bigfoot outta the forest to do Harry and the Hendersons. Paid him in pussy and venison, essentially bending Hollywood over a barrel, because CGI couldn't replicate this stuff.
 
Don't know what to tell you. I find the video compelling. What you are basically saying is that you don't care what Bill Munn says even though he is a makeup and costume maker for Hollywood who has seen the original footage and worked on it for a year and a half reconstructing a HD version of the film and examining it frame by frame.

He's enhancing the footage and in doing so he is finding things that weren't in the real footage. You can argue that point all you like but that's 100% true. Also, MANY other special effects and costume creators in Hollywood think this was a fraud including Rick Baker. I've looked up Munn's work and he is a solid guy in the industry, but I feel that he believes the footage is real and so no matter what he's going to "confirm it." As I said, everything in that video isn't necessarily true in terms of the bio-mechanics of the walk. I also am concerned about him having the footage in a vault for 30 years and the degradation of the film... when you want something so badly to be true it's easy to "find" things that just aren't there, especially when you're enhancing old, degraded footage.
 
You don't need every FX operation to make this claim, you just need the best of them.

Fair enough, and I think Rick Baker is certainly one of the best of them, and he laughed it off saying it looked like cheap fur on a bad suit.
 
Here's an interesting question. . .

Let's say it can be done. Let's say it can be accomplished by the very best FX teams with Hollywood-level money.

In what way does this speak to the possibility of a couple of cowboys pulling it off? Where did they get the skills and cash to do it?

Right now, we have near-photo-realistic CGI apes in the Planet of the Apes series. But how many cowboys from West Texas (or wherever) do you think could recreate those results?

Who says they made the suit themselves? There's an entire media investigation that happened because a costume designer in the 1990's (I think) came and said that he had created the suit for Patterson. Of course this was "debunked" because the guy didn't keep receipts from 30 years ago. haha So that explains that... he said in his conversations with Patterson that Patterson said they were going to do some kind of prank.
 
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