The Patterson Footage .....

[usmctanker242]

Wut?

Special effects are used in docs all the time for reenactments/recreations, and for providing visual flair for various types of material.

Fair point, my mistake on this one. Regardless, I still stand firm on the concept of "unnamed technicians" not being something that holds any water at all. As has already been discussed there were a few people who said the suit would be tough to create, others have flat out said it would have been relatively easy at a cost of roughly $1000 back in the day.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Does anyone ever think aliens ever abducted a Bigfoot. You think that's happened before?

 

[usmctanker242]

What then of the quotes from Hollywood pros who say that, if it CAN be done, it would be very difficult? And expensive?

I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and ask if you run an FX house, but if I remember right you're an engineer or something along those lines.

From the wiki : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson–Gimlin_film

"Stan Winston. Academy Award-winning film special effects supervisor and makeup artist Stan Winston, after viewing the PGF, said "it's a guy in a bad hair suit, sorry!" He also added that "if one of my colleagues created this for a movie, he would be out of business." He went on to comment that the suit in the film could have been made today for "a couple hundred dollars" or "under a thousand, in that day"

Not EVERYBODY was on board with the concept that it would be super difficult and cost a shit ton of money. Unfortunately you "footers" just keep on parroting this sentiment though it isn't real.

 

[the muntjac]

I noticed my link to an article back on Page 2 with the guy claiming to have sold the suit to Patterson was outright ignored.

 

[usmctanker242]

I noticed my link to an article back on Page 2 with the guy claiming to have sold the suit to Patterson was outright ignored.

Of course, some of these people are in too deep to believe anything except for the footage being authentic. Funny enough, both the guy who said he made the suit and the guy who said he wore the suit, passed polygraph tests when asked questions about their involvement. Hmmm... I guess they were both sociopaths looking to make a quick buck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson–Gimlin_film

Scroll down to "Phillip Morris" and then followed by "Bob Heironimus."

 

[BearGrounds]

Of course, some of these people are in too deep to believe anything except for the footage being authentic. Funny enough, both the guy who said he made the suit and the guy who said he wore the suit, passed polygraph tests when asked questions about their involvement. Hmmm... I guess they were both sociopaths looking to make a quick buck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson–Gimlin_film

Scroll down to "Phillip Morris" and then followed by "Bob Heironimus."

Funnily enough neither the suit maker nor Herionimus can replicate what they claimed to have previously done. The guy who claims to have made the suit even says that the breasts don't move and he knows this because he made the suit. But then he also says the breasts were something Patterson added to it afterward, which is inconsistent. Lo and behold when the replica suit was put on (with a chest that does not match the PG film subject's chest, I might add), he then claims they do indeed move because of the fabric he used.

Polygraphs aren't admissible in court for good reason.

Heironimus also claims Gimlin was knowingly in on it, something Gimlin himself denies to this very day. Gimlin even said, after many years, that it's possible even he was fooled by Patterson.

My argument isn't that it's authentic, but that it MAY be authentic. Big difference.

 

[usmctanker242]

Funnily enough neither the suit maker nor Herionimus can replicate what they claimed to have previously done. The guy who claims to have made the suit even says that the breasts don't move and he knows this because he made the suit. But then he also says the breasts were something Patterson added to it afterward, which is inconsistent. Lo and behold when the replica suit was put on (with a chest that does not match the PG film subject's chest, I might add), he then claims they do indeed move.

Polygraphs aren't admissible in court for good reason.

My argument isn't that it's authentic, but that it MAY be authentic. Big difference.

They were questioned about things that happened 30 years ago. MOST people don't have memories that are perfect about things that were over a generation old. I will also note that nothing about the suit was super ingraining at the time... according to Morris they said it was all just going to be a prank, so perhaps all the fine details weren't really "written in stone" in memory because it had no real significance. Again, look at the Nessie situation with the Surgeon... he carried that shit to his deathbed, never thinking it would have ever been believed as it was.

Polygraphs aren't proof in court, this is true, but BOTH of those guys passing the tests means there is likely something to their version of events.

Edit: I just saw the last part of your post about your argument and fair enough. I'm from a scientific background (degree in engineering) so I maintain skepticism until there is proof. Lots of things make this entire thing look like a hoax, and there is very little that makes it look genuine.

 

[the muntjac]

Funnily enough neither the suit maker nor Herionimus can replicate what they claimed to have previously done. The guy who claims to have made the suit even says that the breasts don't move and he knows this because he made the suit. But then he also says the breasts were something Patterson added to it afterward, which is inconsistent. Lo and behold when the replica suit was put on (with a chest that does not match the PG film subject's chest, I might add), he then claims they do indeed move because of the fabric he used.

Polygraphs aren't admissible in court for good reason.

My argument isn't that it's authentic, but that it MAY be authentic. Big difference.

Do you have a source of him claiming Patterson added the breasts? I'm curious for my own sake.

Morris made gorilla suits for magicians to turn women into gorillas, so it would make sense that he would make gorilla suits with breasts.

 

[BearGrounds]

They were questioned about things that happened 30 years ago. MOST people don't have memories that are perfect about things that were over a generation old. I will also note that nothing about the suit was super ingraining at the time... according to Morris they said it was all just going to be a prank, so perhaps all the fine details weren't really "written in stone" in memory because it had no real significance. Again, look at the Nessie situation with the Surgeon... he carried that shit to his deathbed, never thinking it would have ever been believed as it was.

Polygraphs aren't proof in court, this is true, but BOTH of those guys passing the tests means there is likely something to their version of events.

Edit: I just saw the last part of your post about your argument and fair enough. I'm from a scientific background (degree in engineering) so I maintain skepticism until there is proof. Lots of things make this entire thing look like a hoax, and there is very little that makes it look genuine.

I think there's both things in the video that make it look real, as well as seem unreal.

For example:

Real - the impressive biomechanics as outlined by Donskey.
Fake - where the leg meets the ass.

But as far as the rear end is concerned, Brown University Biologist Christine Janis had this to say, "It's not a logical argument to claim that because Bigfoot looks like no known ape that it can't be any type of unknown ape. Should another ape (besides ourselves) have evolved the habitual bipedal walking, then they would also have likely evolved methods of stabilizing the mass of the trunk over the hips, such as enlarging the gluteus maximus muscles as in humans, which is what gives us our larger buttocks. Note that the members of the horse family, which habitually fight by standing on the hind legs, have larger gluteal muscles than other hoofed mammals, and correspondingly larger, more rounded buttocks. A Bigfoot with a big rear end is actually a predictable likelihood rather than an impossibility."

Do you have a source of him claiming Patterson added the breasts? I'm curious for my own sake.

Morris made gorilla suits for magicians to turn women into gorillas, so it would make sense that he would make gorilla suits with breasts.

Follow the link in post #205. There's a video of him giving a presentation.

 

[CaSe]

You'd think we'd at least find a carcass

You'd think so but a lot of old timers I've hunted/camped with have led me to believe otherwise. I've brought up bigfoot on several occasions. They laugh but somebody always brings up cougars. Some of these dudes have spent a LOT of time in the backcountry and have never come across any cat remains or even heard of someone who has. If they do exist I'd like to think they'd be smarter than an big cat but at the same time I think a prime cougar could take a bigfoot easy. And kills are relatively common to find in some areas so somebody would probably notice a four foot femur and massive ape skull.

Idk, just my 2¢.

 

[BearGrounds]

You'd think so but a lot of old timers I've hunted/camped with have led me to believe otherwise. I've brought up bigfoot on several occasions. They laugh but somebody always brings up cougars. Some of these dudes have spent a LOT of time in the backcountry and have never come across any cat remains or even heard of someone who has. If they do exist I'd like to think they'd be smarter than an big cat but at the same time I think a prime cougar could take a bigfoot easy. And kills are relatively common to find in some areas so somebody would probably notice a four foot femur and massive ape skull.

Idk, just my 2¢.

Good point about the carcass. Stumbling upon a bear carcass is basically unheard of as well. The forest consumes shit quickly and large animals like bears will often seclude themselves when they sense the end is near.

I think only a starving cougar would be crazy enough to attempt to take on a bipedal ape the size of what Sasquatch is generally reported to be. One the size of the subject in the PG film would likely beat a Cougar into the living death. They're reported to use both rocks and large branches as weapons and demonstrate enormous strength.

So I'd assume mutual avoidance.

 

[Codger]

Funny how the shy, small Asiatic Cheetah has a population of 60 spread over a huge area of Asia has high resolution photos and no doubts it's still around

Yet populations of a 7-9 foot ape man in bita of North America avoids similar recording.

 

[The_Renaissance]

I think it's real. That's one fucking realistic looking monkey suit on an almost 7ft tall or more man, who is moving exceptionally fluidly and effortlessly despite having his vision and movement restricted by said realistic looking suit.

Also, monkey suits do NOT show muscle ripples and a mask cannot make facial expressions.

 

[BearGrounds]

Funny how the shy, small Asiatic Cheetah has a population of 60 spread over a huge area of Asia has high resolution photos and no doubts it's still around

Yet populations of a 7-9 foot ape man in bita of North America avoids similar recording.

There exists other photos and videos that can be debated. But non believers will regard every single photo or video capture as a hoax, because they do not consider the existence of the creature possible. Photo and video will not do for such people, print casts either, only a body will suffice.

 

[ralphc1]

Some people just want to believe in Bigfoot just like the people that believe aliens make crop circles and humans couldn't possibly fake them. One team sent a news outlet a sealed envelop to be opened later then had a crew record them making the design. Crop circle "experts" certified it as real and could not have been made by humans. Then the hoaxers had the sealed envelope opened which contained the design and location. The "experts" then claimed that the hoaxers must have had access to the aliens plans. Then the hoaxers showed the video of how it was done but the experts still didn't believe that humans did it.

It gets to be almost a religion.

 

[DoomPatrol]

I think it's unlikely, but I don't see any reason to believe it an impossibility. And you have to let the fact that many people in the Pacific Northwest have reported seeing a Bigfoot-like creature count for something.

It really doesn't though. People believe in all sorts of stupid shit.

You're getting desperate, aren't you ? When confronted with this video and the fact no one has been able to duplicate the suit, the muscle movements, or gait to this day, you simply dismiss it and call anyone who accepts it as "an idiot." If anything, you're conceding defeat with your brash, arrogance.

Except they have and both the maker of the suit and the wearer of the suit have come forward. Stop pretending like it's so difficult to walk like that or make a gorilla suit with tits you moron. On the previous page I literally posted the guy in the suit doing the walk and taking a polygraph.

You will go to crazy lengths to continue believing in this stupid shit.

That's a cop out answer. Two yokels pulling off a suit and a walk with such bio-mechanical precision and bipedal ape gaited walk without an ounce of discrepency is very difficult to pull off.

Both P and G referred to Patty as a "he" for the longest time - it wasn't until much later on that the breasts were seen in high resolution. They were witnesses to something special.

No its not difficult. This is clearly a man in a suit, and you're a gullible idiot. It's not difficult to walk like that. As I already said, there's a video of the guy who wore the suit walking exactly like that and taking a polygraph admitting to wearing it. There's also the maker of the suit admitting to making the fucking thing.

Patterson scammed morons for money. If you believe Patterson, you're a moron too.

 

[DoomPatrol]

There exists other photos and videos that can be debated. But non believers will regard every single photo or video capture as a hoax, because they do not consider the existence of the creature possible. Photo and video will not do for such people, print casts either, only a body will suffice.

That's not true. We just want something that can verified as authentic. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If you want to tell me there's giant monkeys roaming North America that nobody has found in 15000 years of living here, then you need to bring something more solid than a "footprint" that a child can fake.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Checkmate, atheists.

 

[DoomPatrol]

Checkmate, atheists.

That has to be real! Look at the way you can see his musculature and the way he bends his knee! No human could do that!!


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[BearGrounds]

That's not true. We just want something that can verified as authentic. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If you want to tell me there's giant monkeys roaming North America that nobody has found in 15000 years of living here, then you need to bring something more solid than a "footprint" that a child can fake.

It is absolutely true. No photo or video is going to convince someone who doesn't believe it possible. They'll only look for how it's fake, not whether or not it is fake.