The One Landed Punch in MMA is resulting in too many upsets, Luck is playing too big a factor

[kibz]

TS secretly works for the just bleed God and wants to see extraordinarily late stoppages and human carnage.

"He can take another shot. One punch KOs should never end fights. Put that guy back in there"

 

[TrueBias]

It's not luck if your intention is to land

Correct. Its not lucky if you punched mark hunt and knocked him out. thats right. yeah. yep. shut it.

 

[Fergelmince]

this really is not how it works at all. you are still assigning luck to when a fighter throws a punch to a specific location and the other fighter made the conscious decision to occupy that location. Luck isn't even real

luck is very real.

 

[ermac88]

If you need, on average, 100 punches to KO your opponents and on any particular outing it just happens to be the very first punch - yeah - there's some luck involved.



That doesn't negate my point at all. The fact that you can try to do something and fail repeatedly before finding success has nothing to do with intention. Intention is what you're trying to do. It is very different than the physical reality of what happens. This is just one of many things happening in a fight that introduce probability, randomness and what most would call luck.

It is why the most spectacular outcomes (13 second KOs - for example) are almost never repeatable.

They're repeatable if the recipient exercises the exact same defense which results in their jaw getting tapped.

What in your opinion constitutes and "UN-LUCKY" knockout.?

 

[mmafighterEU]

That's exactly how it works. That's why MMA rankings aren't just based on who won head to head.

Otherwise the HW top 10 would look something like this:

1. Stipe/Werdum/JDS/Cain (tie)
2. Werdum/Cain/JDS/Stipe (tie)
3. Cain/JDS/Stipe/Werdum (tie)
4. Werdum/Cain/JDS/Stipe (tie)
5. JDS/Stipe/Werdum/Cain (tie)
6. Reem/JDS/Werdum (tie)
7. JDS/Werdum/Bigfoot (tie)
8. Werdum/Bigfoot/Reem (tie)
9. Struve/Stipe (tie)
10. Reem/Struve (tie)

And let's not forget:

Cain > JDS > Cain

lmfao, doing mma math. yeah I'm not even gonna adress that, I'd settle with that we just have different opinions.

 

[ingoditrust]

with MMA you have the smaller gloves but more importantly, when a punch is landed, with the follow up, there is no chance to recover like a knockdown in boxing

That;s all good and well, but it is resulting in way too many upsets

Fighters are the top are all very skilled nowadays, there are no muppets

Anyone can land that one strike

Imagine if tennis matches were won by one great point won by the lesser player or one touchdown in the NFL or one basket in the NBA

I don't mind upsets in sport, its good for the sport but in MMA there are too many and they just do not feel earned

If someone outside the Top 10 beats Federer or Murray in a grand slam over 5 sets they have definitely earnt it

GOD IS SOVEREIGN, LUCK DOES NOT EXIST. JUST THE RESULT OF ONE PUNCH CONNECTING AS A PART OF THE FALL. TRUTH!

 

[FrodoFraggins]

I've wondered if a standing 8 count on knockdowns(and only knockdowns) would be good or bad. People would game the system that's for sure.

 

[jeremyemilio]

lmfao, doing mma math. yeah I'm not even gonna adress that, I'd settle with that we just have different opinions.

Well, no... YOU'RE doing the MMA math. That's my whole point.

You can't rank fighters based on who beat whom. It's impossible. BECAUSE MMA math doesn't work. It creates a million different variations.

That's why you take other things into consideration.

You're the one who says that the winner of a fight is the better fighter.

So how would YOU rank Stipe, JDS, Cain, Werdum?

 

[MuNoKen]

Was it luck when Conor knocked out Aldo?

 

[Toxxus]

They're repeatable if the recipient exercises the exact same defense which results in their jaw getting tapped.

What in your opinion constitutes and "UN-LUCKY" knockout.?

We're not going to come to any common ground since you see the world in absolutes and can't understand that landing punches and kicks isn't completely different than a tennis pro slamming in 100+ mph serves. Sometimes he's going to hit the net. Sometimes he's going to miss the legal serving area. That all happens before the person receiving the serve tries to hit the ball back.

Fighters are moving around quite a bit during a fight. It is not as simple as attacker presses A and defender presses B or they're knocked out. This is why most fights have dozens or hundreds of punches thrown with nobody being knocked out.

Do you suppose that the defense of Max Holloway is 69x better than that of Jose Aldo? Aldo only lasted 13 seconds despite being unbeaten for a decade and not losing a single fight since then. Max lasted all 15 minutes. Why doesn't everyone get flat-lined every time Conor lands the big left? There's no luck involved - right? If the punch lands then instant KO.

Sorry, the world is vastly more nuanced than that. Split second variations in placement, momentum, previous damage and a hundred other factors all decide whether any given blow is the one that results in a KO. Again - this is why it's highly unlikely that Conor smashes anybody in 13 seconds - much less someone of Aldo's caliber.

 

[TheDarkEmperor]

It's not luck if your intention is to land

This sounds clever, but it's dumb. Almost all strikes are thrown with the intention to land. What people mean when they say it was a lucky shot, is either that the odds of the opponent reacting the way they did which allowed the shot to land were low, that the shot normally wouldn't ko the opponent, or both. A ko can be lucky because even though you intended to throw the punch, it doesn't mean it was likely going to knock him out if everything didn't align perfectly, which isn't fully under your control (luck).

 

[HendricksPunch]

I hope every PPV from this point on ends in the 1st round at the hands of the challenger. This has been a fun ride this year.

 

[LordFarthing]

Anyone can land that one strike

A. Not true
B. If they land it, they earned it
C. If they lose, they deserved it

 

[Emjay]

This sounds clever, but it's dumb. Almost all strikes are thrown with the intention to land. What people mean when they say it was a lucky shot, is either that the odds of the opponent reacting the way they did which allowed the shot to land were low, that the shot normally wouldn't ko the opponent, or both. A ko can be lucky because even though you intended to throw the punch, it doesn't mean it was likely going to knock him out if everything didn't align perfectly, which isn't fully under your control (luck).

Every punch that lands is lucky by this logic

 

[Chain Saw]

This sounds clever, but it's dumb. Almost all strikes are thrown with the intention to land. What people mean when they say it was a lucky shot, is either that the odds of the opponent reacting the way they did which allowed the shot to land were low, that the shot normally wouldn't ko the opponent, or both. A ko can be lucky because even though you intended to throw the punch, it doesn't mean it was likely going to knock him out if everything didn't align perfectly, which isn't fully under your control (luck).

MMA is about capitalizing on your opponents mistake.

if your opponent zigs when he should've zagged thats his bad and he deserves to get KO'd.

He made a mistake, you didnt, nothing lucky about it.

 

[Ulti1]

It's the reality of fighting.

It's also a freak occurrence that it's happened so much recently. Miocic, Bisping, Alvarez, and now Woodley. All 4 could be flukes for all we know. We didn't get to see any of them play out to see how their skills match up.

You forgot aldo and Conor

 

[Mochan]

There's no such thing as a lucky punch. They aimed for that punch and it hit, that's not luck, that's good fighting and bad defense on the part of the opponent.

 

[McGeezle]

It's not luck if your intention is to land

Why does everyone say that? You're saying something has to be an ACCIDENT to be lucky

 

[TheDarkEmperor]

Every punch that lands is lucky by this logic

MMA is about capitalizing on your opponents mistake.

if your opponent zigs when he should've zagged thats his bad and he deserves to get KO'd.

He made a mistake, you didnt, nothing lucky about it.

There's a difference between capitalizing on a mistake, and throwing a

When Hall threw a spinning back side kick to the body, and Mousasi shot for a takedown, and put his face in the path of Hall's foot, that was lucky.

Was Conor's punch lucky that it landed? No. Was it lucky that it ended up knocking him out? Somewhat. Aldo has eaten much harder punches without even getting visibly rocked.

Weidman's leg kick check on Silva was well timed, but Silva's shin snapping, was luck. People check leg kicks all the time without their opponents shins breaking.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

with MMA you have the smaller gloves but more importantly, when a punch is landed, with the follow up, there is no chance to recover like a knockdown in boxing

That;s all good and well, but it is resulting in way too many upsets

Fighters are the top are all very skilled nowadays, there are no muppets

Anyone can land that one strike

Imagine if tennis matches were won by one great point won by the lesser player or one touchdown in the NFL or one basket in the NBA

I don't mind upsets in sport, its good for the sport but in MMA there are too many and they just do not feel earned

If someone outside the Top 10 beats Federer or Murray in a grand slam over 5 sets they have definitely earnt it

Welcome to MMA, newb.