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He didnt lose the LW belt cos he didnt sit there. He got beat for it by someone better.
The most hardest and brutal Pill to swallow when it comes to Aldo
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Conor never fought Alvarez at FW, seems you are just trying to make your narrative fit. Aldo has a much deeper resume, so many great fighters he beat in WEC and UFC that you never listed. Crap thread to be fair
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Yeah, but like you said, that was years ago and people sucked then so who cares that he fought at any weight.
And BJ's got his own myriad of accusations, so by your logic..
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Volk has nine ranked wins at 145. Aldo has twelve. Aldo had nine title defenses (I'm including the WEC, and could not care less if you don't), Volk had five. Aldo lost his belt almost twelve years into his MMA career. Volk lost his almost twelve years into his. Aldo had a clear win over the guy who should have been lightweight champion at the time in Edgar at UFC 156, but wasn't awarded the win against Bendo at UFC 150.
Outside of Holloway, Volkanovski never successfully defended his title against anyone who had more than a two fight win streak. Hominick, Edgar II, KZ, Lamas and Mendes x2 all had at least three fight win streaks, with KZ at three, Lamas at four, Mendes II at five, Mendes I at nine, Edgar II at five and Hominick at five.
MTB was on a ten fight winning streak before Aldo beat him; beat a 13-2 Cub Swanson; 23-3 Faber; Hominick who was on a 5-0 run with four finishes; undefeated and then 16-1 Chad Mendes; 16-3-1 Edgar who was robbed against Benson in their prior fight.
All time divisional standings are created in the aggregate. Aldo still has claim to the title Featherweight GOAT in my opinion.
Outside of Holloway, Volkanovski never successfully defended his title against anyone who had more than a two fight win streak. Hominick, Edgar II, KZ, Lamas and Mendes x2 all had at least three fight win streaks, with KZ at three, Lamas at four, Mendes II at five, Mendes I at nine, Edgar II at five and Hominick at five.
MTB was on a ten fight winning streak before Aldo beat him; beat a 13-2 Cub Swanson; 23-3 Faber; Hominick who was on a 5-0 run with four finishes; undefeated and then 16-1 Chad Mendes; 16-3-1 Edgar who was robbed against Benson in their prior fight.
All time divisional standings are created in the aggregate. Aldo still has claim to the title Featherweight GOAT in my opinion.
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willingly admitting this is crazy
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Okay, so you are just all over the place here, and you cite a K1 openweight fight from almost 20 years ago that has literally ZERO to do with whatever MMA FW discussion you are trying to debate.
Aldo and Penn are nothing alike, and there is ZERO chance Penn would have racked up 9 title defenses at either LW or WW in the UFC. It's very, very simple. If he COULD have, he would have. He did not, and would not have, no matter how hard you want to believe it.
You should shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first. Penn was never going to be a longtime reigning champion at either LW or WW, he didn't have the discipline for it, and the MMA game evolved way, way past Penn's potential.
In his prime, Penn would have been a candidate to fight for the BMF belt (had it existed). In no way, shape or form does that make Aldo a "lesser" fighter.
Penn was 2 -5 in the UFC at 170, let's not pretend he was a wrecking machine. Penn went 0-3 against Frankie Edgar while Aldo is 2-0 versus him.
Overall, and not just cherry-picking facts that suit your narrative, Aldo basically fought smarter (despite the McGregor blunder) over the course of his career, which is why he returned to the octagon after a brief retirement and took the win while Penn ended his career on a 1-8-1 skid and also turning into a human skidmark at the same time.
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You're just feeding the troll, his argument is so stupid it's comical.
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The variable that you are missing here is that it is much easier to be a challenger to the title, rather than a long running champion, for the sole fact that when you are champion for any length of time, everyone in the division is training to beat the champ specifically, this is why # of title defenses is weighted so much. Further, when you are a champ, all of your fights and camps are for 5 rounds, which is much harder to train for and the camps are much more brutal. Virtually all of Aldo's fights were 5 rounders, except for a few at the beginning of his career. That's completely different than Conor, who had all 3 round fights until his title shot at FW.
Second, if you are going to count Conor's wins at higher weight classes, that means you also have to count his losses at higher weight classes, otherwise you are just cherry picking.
Last, you look back at the people Aldo beat and think they were 'taxi drivers', when they were the elite of the division at the time and also had significant win streaks before they faced Aldo, it makes it very apparent that you weren't a fan of MMA at the time, and are trying to piece things together using recency bias. Every new generation suffers from it, as we all remember and respect the best guys of when we became fans. 10 years from now people could easily look back at Conor, Volk, or Max, and question their wins of how good was their competition. You are making a very common mistake. I mean Faber is an 'honorable mention'? WTF? Faber was the GOAT FW before Aldo arrived. Faber went on a tear in KOTC and the WEC. WEC had the elite FWs in the world as the UFC didn't have those divisions until they bought them out.
Make no mistake, Aldo did something that is insanely difficult to do, and that was defend his title for many years. When everyone is dedicating all their time to studying you and beating you, when all your fights are 5 rounds, and the camps that go with it, and in a sport where inches matter and things can turn in an instant, Aldo successfully took on all comers and beat them.
What's sad about your commentary is you are placing Max and Connor on a pedestal for having beat Aldo, but then turn around and discredit Aldo as not being very good or beating a bunch of cans. If Aldo was never that good, as you contend, then Max and Connor's wins are naturally cheapened.
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And, most notably, in Volk's opinion too
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Calls Aldo a non top 3 and has conor over him counting wins at LW
Talk about negating your argument before it started.
Talk about negating your argument before it started.
Umm Edgar dropped to 45 (which was his natural weight class) was because he was in the UFC and there was no 45 then. So when he lost outside is natural class he dropped down to face Aldo because WEC was bought by UFC specifically to bring those classes. So to say Edgar wasn't a monster, the guy who went up and fought bigger guys to be in the UFC is just ridiculous.
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