Social The most blatantly corrupt President in history

[kflo]

Agreed. The should and will be challenged. Just on the face, it screams corruption and that alone should direct Pam Bondi and Kash to launch a full investigation. Which actually wouldn’t be that hard, since a lot has already been done by the conservative house, some in the senate, and a bunch of MAGA aligned entities.

I fully support all of that

how can you investigate the president using presidential powers?

 

[HereticBD]

The rats that are still in that sinking ship know it and just don’t give a shit because partisanship has rotted their brains and moral compasses.

They're just the same juvenile children they always were. They weren't fooling anyone with their act, and now it's all culminated in the biggest mask off moment in history. It's only the beginning too. These people are mental and completely radicalized. Only a matter of time before they truly snap.

 

[MMAisGod]

So you've been here since 2009 but don't have a single post criticizing Trump's pardons that don't also mention Biden? Is that correct?

I don't think Trump needs to wait for others to break norms before he does, in fact he runs on breaking norms and is elected precisely for that purpose. Of course Biden ran on preserving norms so its fair to hold him to a higher standard but let's recall the post you furiously came at me for:

This is what go you into a tizzy here, my pointing the obvious fact that the reason Biden is issuing this pardon is because Trump promises to go after Fauci. I didn't even directly defend it, not in that post nor my initial post. In fact later I said this in response to you

My point here is that while this pardon is norm breaking, for the TS to explicitly contrast Biden with Trump and frame the former as the one who violates norms and acts divisively is something I take issue with. What part of that do you disagree with exactly?

I dunno man, I don't wanna go in some long winded back and forth circle. I think it goes without saying Trump has violated norms more than anyone ever, but I'm not willing to minimize when Biden violates norms. Just remember to keep this same energy when Trump "pre-emptive pardons" some guys like Homan, Trump Jr., Hegseth, and some other doofs and a bunch of staff years from now because they didn't do anything but future POTUS Newsom might come after them. And when Newsom does it. And when whoever after him does it. Remember who started it with minimal resistance.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Agreed. The should and will be challenged. Just on the face, it screams corruption and that alone should direct Pam Bondi and Kash to launch a full investigation. Which actually wouldn’t be that hard, since a lot has already been done by the conservative house, some in the senate, and a bunch of MAGA aligned entities.

I fully support all of that

How can it be challenged? Pardons are one of the exclusive and preclusive powers of the president which the SCOTUS, in granting Trump immunity, decided are not allowed to be reviewed by the courts. In that sense Biden is making full use of that decision with these pardons. Sad to see the Republic degenerate in this manner but oh well, the people voted against norms so this is what we end up with.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

They're just the same juvenile children they always were. They weren't fooling anyone with their act, and now it's all culminated in the biggest mask off moment in history. It's only the beginning too. These people are mental and completely radicalized. Only a matter of time before they truly snap.

And none of it would have happened if not for Trump being such a strong and providential figure.

If Desantis or someone else was the candidate, and even if they won, none of it would happen. It would be a new page, they would want to start fresh.

But because it’s Trump, it’s going to go back to 2015 and even before (multiple blanket pardons since 2014?), where it HAS to go, for America to correct its track, and to restore faith to our institutions

 

[calavera2]

So doesn’t this basically confirm all the Republican evidence uncovered about the Biden money laundering?

So take a step back and look at how mainstream media tried to discredit all that. When the evidence was so painfully obvious. Along with democrats defending it.

It is too in your face at this point.

And how many even non democrats were like “ehhh this is just republicans with a nothing burger, blah blah “

this whole return of Trump and forcing this all to happen is biblical

The pearl clutching here is quite hilarious....

Biden pardons those trump explicitly said he had a vendetta against...oh the humanity

Like I said trumpers should be ignored

 

[curryjunkie]

come on now bro....You and I are polar opposites when it comes to politics, but please tell me you are trolling and don't actually support or defend this.

get back to me when donnie rolls out pardons for jan 6 and we'll talk

 

[Fergelmince]

Trump on his way to the whitehouse now to meet with the Biden’s in some tea ceremony or some shit. I hope he tells Biden to his face that this move is upsetting and is now going to force him to look into the legality of all these pardons now, including hunters. Then get up, Diet Coke in hand, and leave

WHILE he's looking in to the legality of these pardons, the IRS needs to start auditing the taxes of every one of these people who got pardons.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

How can it be challenged? Pardons are one of the exclusive and preclusive powers of the president which the SCOTUS, in granting Trump immunity, decided are not allowed to be reviewed by the courts. In that sense Biden is making full use of that decision with these pardons. Sad to see the Republic degenerate in this manner but oh well, the people voted against norms so this is what we end up with.

Easy start is, “was Biden alert and oriented enough to even sign these? did he actually sign them or someone else? “

After that, just like the immunity question which I am sure you’ll love to harp on because of some #blueAnon psychosis about what that ruling actually said, but yes, even that can be questioned, as Jack smith and others tried to go around it and proceed with their court filings and such.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

WHILE he's looking in to the legality of these pardons, the IRS needs to start auditing the taxes of every one of these people who got pardons.

That is true. Also, these pardons do stop any potential civil proceedings, such as defrauding the American people with misuse of funds, misleading the American people, etc.

 

[The XL]

How can it be challenged? Pardons are one of the exclusive and preclusive powers of the president which the SCOTUS, in granting Trump immunity, decided are not allowed to be reviewed by the courts. In that sense Biden is making full use of that decision with these pardons. Sad to see the Republic degenerate in this manner but oh well, the people voted against norms so this is what we end up with.

You can't pardon someone who hasn't been charged with or convicted of a crime. These pardons are likely illegal and hold no weight.

 

[calavera2]

How can it be challenged? Pardons are one of the exclusive and preclusive powers of the president which the SCOTUS, in granting Trump immunity, decided are not allowed to be reviewed by the courts. In that sense Biden is making full use of that decision with these pardons. Sad to see the Republic degenerate in this manner but oh well, the people voted against norms so this is what we end up with.

These clowns with their now fake morals will never admit it...this is what they want...just not by their perceived enemies

Cue the fake indignation

 

[HereticBD]

You can't pardon someone who hasn't been charged with or convicted of a crime. These pardons are likely illegal and hold no weight.

I think it's a bit of a grey area. As someone else pointed out, Nixon was pardoned without ever being convicted. We've just never seen it on this scale before.

 

[Scerpi]

It's not clear at all to me that he actually lied to Congress.

Statement on misinformation about NIH support of specific “gain-of-function” research

NIH strongly supports the need for further investigation.

www.nih.gov

Then you weren't paying attention

Fauchi flat out lied about the Gain of Function research he was involved with in Wuhan and tried to deflect from the Lab Leak theories... Pushing the Wet Market origin

Why would he do this? Because there's a possible chance that Fauci and Daszak were involved with the COVID pandemic.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I dunno man, I don't wanna go in some long winded back and forth circle. I think it goes without saying Trump has violated norms more than anyone ever, but I'm not willing to minimize when Biden violates norms.

Does it though? The opening post ITT argues precisely the opposite as do most posters ITT and you seemingly have no issue with that. It was that point that I was addressing and which you seemed to take issue with.

Like I said earlier you don't have a single post in this entire forum criticizing any of Trump's pardons outside the context of criticism of Joe so forgive me if I'm skeptical as to how bothered you really are in regards to Trump's norm breaking.

Just remember to keep this same energy when Trump "pre-emptive pardons" some guys like Homan, Trump Jr., Hegseth, and some other doofs and a bunch of staff years from now because they didn't do anything but future POTUS Newsom might come after them. And when Newsom does it. And when whoever after him does it. Remember who started it with minimal resistance.

Why would I keep the same energy instead of addressing each pardon on its own terms? Biden's motivation here is correct but the nature of the pardon is unusual and, despite the precedent of the Ford pardon of Nixon, still represents a kind of norm violation. Of these pardons issued I think only the Jan 6th one is halfway justifiable because Trump is promising to go after then with vigor. Fauci I doubt he cares much about and would allow that promise to fizzle out and Hunter is actually a criminal so it hurts trust to pardon him even if he would be subject to political persecution. But as I said earlier its far more preferable to issue these pardons after the fact instead of in a blanket form. Let Trump try his political prosecution and if he fails he's embarrassed and if he succeeds the next Dem president can pardon his victims.

But whatever my issues with these pardons I'm not going to pretend they're worse than pardoning cronies and mass murderers. Despite apparently agreeing with me you took much umbrage to my posts ITT while completely ignoring the ones you claim to disagree with.

 

[Whippy McGee]

get back to me when donnie rolls out pardons for jan 6 and we'll talk

You do realize that Biden just pardoned the January 6 Committee and the cops that got on the stand and lied about what happened as the video tapes exposed them to be false witnesses?

With that happening OF COURSE Trump should pardon each and every January 6 rioter that did not commit violence or destruction. How can any justice loving American think that committee and those involved who have been proven to lie regarding the event. Who have proven to withhold evidence. Who have proven to not allow witnesses that debunked their false narratives. Who have proven to hand select the Republican members to be all anti-Trump. Yeah... Trump is pretty much required to pardon those that were not violent or destructive.

 

[CatchnShoot]

What would Fauci need a pardon for if he did nothing wrong?

Are you intentionally obtuse, or just dumb?

Gee...super hard to figure that one out....same reason he issued the Jan 6th committee members pardons.

Trump is a vindictive man-baby, and Bondi is nothing more than a yes girl, with zero independence.

 

[Whippy McGee]

I think it's a bit of a grey area. As someone else pointed out, Nixon was pardoned without ever being convicted. We've just never seen it on this scale before.

I don't know that the act has been legally challenged ever. Biden took this to a whole new level. It's brass knuckles to the face of the justice system.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Easy start is, “was Biden alert and oriented enough to even sign these? did he actually sign them or someone else? “

Oh geez, this again.

After that, just like the immunity question which I am sure you’ll love to harp on because of some #blueAnon psychosis about what that ruling actually said, but yes, even that can be questioned, as Jack smith and others tried to go around it and proceed with their court filings and such.

You guys are the ones who live on Twitter, the rest of us don't care about checkmarks on social media sites.

Jack Smith had to reimagine the case to get around the immunity ruling. Which again would protect Baiden here as pardons are exclusive and preclusive powers of the president which SCOTUS has said cannot be even examined as part of another case much less on its own.

You can't pardon someone who hasn't been charged with or convicted of a crime. These pardons are likely illegal and hold no weight.

Nixon was pardoned in that way by Ford but even still I would argue its a norm violation and not good even if not illegal. Of course Trump cares nothing of norms but Biden was supposed to be the president that upholds them so it makes sense to hold him to a higher standard here.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Are you intentionally obtuse, or just dumb?

Gee...super hard to figure that one out....same reason he issued the Jan 6th committee members pardons.

Trump is a vindictive man-baby, and Bondi is nothing more than a yes girl, with zero independence.

Stay wrong and keep losing. It's better for America's future.