The Medieval thread

[Deleted member 110072]

Late middle ages. the idea of a peasant killing a fully armed mounted knight with a cheap arrow was astonishing. The equivalent of a modern beta with a gun..

Knights(both French and English) tending to be honour obsessed rather than tactically aware, whenever they were able to dictate tactics going to back cavalry charges without softening an enemy up with an arrow storm first the English were far less successful(Bannockburn for example).

 

[ssBaldy]

Knights(both French and English) tending to be honour obsessed rather than tactically aware, whenever they were able to dictate tactics going to back cavalry charges without softening an enemy up with an arrow storm first the English were far less successful(Bannockburn for example).

Bannockburn was a success for the scots in big part thanks to new tactics, they started moving their schiltrons offensively instead of using them on a defensive position and being a sitting duck for English archers.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Bannockburn was a success for the scots in big part thanks to new tactics, they started moving their schiltrons offensively instead of using them on a defensive position and being a sitting duck for English archers.

Started with an unsuccessfully English cavalry charge against pikemen didn't it? as at Sterling.

The earlier English tactic seemed to be to just archers to disrupt pikemen first and then charge and by the time of the 100 years war to just adopt a defensive position and defeat an attacking enemy mostly via archery and a shield wall.

Seems like a common factor in success/failure is the presence of a strong king(Edward I, Edward III and Herny V) fighting in a tactical fashion were as the English and French worst defeats were all under weaker kings(or Edward I not being present) were the nobility were more in control of he battle favouring chivalric tactics.

 

[Nate banged my mom]

Did chicks shave back then? If not then I’m out.

With your sissy mindset you would have been a slave. No pussy for you regardless

 

[TenderLoving]

I couldn't live back then.

Some douche could accuse me of worshipping Satan and next thing you know I'm being tortured to death. All because I stole his girlfriend.

And the worst part would be that I didn't even bang her, because when I took off her clothes and saw all that body hair, and smelled that B.O., my boner would lock itself in a chastity belt.

No thanks.

Saw this little gem at the viking museum in Roskilde

 

[JOE QUEEF]

'Tis but a scratch!

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

Late middle ages. the idea of a peasant killing a fully armed mounted knight with a cheap arrow was astonishing. The equivalent of a modern beta with a gun..

I don't know if I would go that far.

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

In addition to cutting a wood for 5 minutes with an axe, put on a heavy weight vest to simulate wearing armor.

Anyone that's swung an axe, maul, sledge hammer, etc. for an extended time knows people weren't swinging full force fighting like they portray in the movies. I don't care if you're on steroids + epo, you're going to be huffing and puffing in no time swinging something with some heft to it. That's obvious even from watching ufc fights where guys go hard for a few minutes and end up not being able to do shit after that.

Yeah, unless you are on the frontline and maintain being on the frontline without being killed or wounded you likely are going to be fighting in bursts.

Reminds me of when you see modern war movies and everyone is shooting nonstop. I know from personal experience how quick you run out of ammo in a heated firefight. We were in a big firefight that last nearly 2 hours. Our entire post was running low on ammo by the end and we badly needed a resupply. You can easily dump 1,000 rounds in a matter of minutes with a machinegun. All in all, you begin to conserve ammo when you start realizing how much you are going through. The firefights then seem a lot slower pace due to short bursts of heavy action and slow sections where you may go 30 minutes without firing single shot.

 

[Problem Child]

I was listening to the radio
I heard a song reminded me of long ago
Back then I thought that things were never gonna change
It used to be that I never had to feel the pain
I know that things will never be the same now

I want to go back
And do it all over again
But I can't go back I know
I want to go back
Cause I'm feeling so much older
But I can't go back I know

I recall hanging out on Friday night
The first slow dance
Hoping that I'll get it right
Back then I thought I'd never ever stand alone
It used to be that a lonely heart was never shown
I know that things will never be the same

I want to go back
And do it all over again
But I can't go back I know
I want to go back
Cause I'm feeling so much older
But I can't go back I know

Can't go back
I can't go back
I know…

 

[Problem Child]

I was just at Medieval Times and saw the torture gear display they had. Did you know chastity belts even had a spiked enterance around the woman’s asshole?

 

[Anomonis]

Mantlets are one the most practical but funny looking mobile protection I learned about. You push this or something like it when you must advance under arrow fire. I imagined that looked pretty funny. Just a bit of trivia.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Did chicks shave back then? If not then I’m out.

Doubt it
as late as the Victorian era, it was popular to grow the bush out and style it

 

[Cpt Migraine]

agreed. also go cut lumber for 5 minutes. It's pretty tiring. Now imagine stress and death all around you. I think we have zero idea what battle actually looked like. Probably pretty pathetic TBH. That or FAR more organized than we are led to believe these days.

Look up "new level of archery".. some "nerd" who is really, really good with a bow.. if a skinny fat, pale guy (hyperbole but true to an extent) can deflect arrows with arrows and be deadlier with a bow than most are with a gun today i'm willing to bet there were some absolute monsters on the battle field back then..

 

[Blood and Thunder]

Yes, noone was slicing through plate and mail like in gay fantasy movies. Stabbing or breaking it with armor-breaching weaponry is completely another thing.

We may somewhat judge from historic finds. For example, not that long ago the body of king Richard III of England was found, who is known to have died in battle. He was wearing a full plate armor during the battle. Scientists found 13 bruises on his head, 2 of them lethal, and some other wounds on his body. A couple of them seemed to be mocking or desecrating in nature so most likely were inflicted after the king was struck down. seems that during the battle king Richard lost his helmet and only then his enemies managed to kill him.
His arms and legs though, protected by armor, were unharmed.

Reviewing that we may judge that medieval armor contemporary to Richard III offered outstanding protection to its wearer and it was hard to kill a skilled fighter in good armor.

The face and neck seem to be prime targets.

Someone fast and nimble armed with daggers or other short weapons going around double teaming and back stabbing is a tactic I could see being used.

I think the mongols used the dirty tactic of feigned retreat and won many battles that way.

This reminds me of Agincourt, those French knights were decimated because of terrain and mud. The English were outnumbered and exhausted too which made it more astonishing.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

Look up "new level of archery".. some "nerd" who is really, really good with a bow.. if a skinny fat, pale guy (hyperbole but true to an extent) can deflect arrows with arrows and be deadlier with a bow than most are with a gun today i'm willing to bet there were some absolute monsters on the battle field back then..

I'm not seeing fat but this guy would demoralize the shit out of the enemy front line. I bet there were warriors like him turning tides in battles.

 

[ssBaldy]

The face and neck seem to be prime targets.

Someone fast and nimble armed with daggers or other short weapons going around double teaming and back stabbing is a tactic I could see being used.

I think the mongols used the dirty tactic of feigned retreat and won many battles that way.

This reminds me of Agincourt, those French knights were decimated because of terrain and mud. The English were outnumbered and exhausted too which made it more astonishing.

Double teaming knights, on the regular? I highly doubt that. Infantry? Sure, all the time.
Also there was a wide variety of special weapons for breaching armor. Misericordias, warhammers, Lucern hammers, swords with thick diamond shaped blades used exclusively for stabbing (hell if I know how you call it in English), and many other. So knights were very capable of killing one another one on one, but it took power, skill, and a well aimed and landed strike.

Agincourt was just a tad short of a miracle, me thinks.

 

[ssBaldy]

I'm not seeing fat but this guy would demoralize the shit out of the enemy front line. I bet there were warriors like him turning tides in battles.

Except his arrows wont kill anyone. He has a weak bow made for trick shots. He is a trick shooter, and nothing more, a great trick shooter though.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

I'm guessing the main attraction relative to the longbow at the time was you didn't need to be as well trained to use it.

It required a lot of physical strength to wield a longbow, as well as training. The pulley mechanism means that weaker people can use a crossbow.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

Cool documentary on the castle in the OP

 

[HHJ]

Theres an excellent Michael Chrichton book called Timeline that had people teleport into France in 1347. It showed a realistic view of what would happen if you took a modern person and thrust them in that time. Extremely dangerous with no modern medicine in case you get injured or sick.