The kickfighting establishment is rotten to the core

[jtwarwagon4life]

they don't care to see ten, twenty Thai fighters in each kickboxing weight class. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK, EXCEPT YOU.

I strongly suspect that many of the people who watch Glory watch it because they believe it represents the best that kickboxing has to offer, ergo it has the best fighters. However, since Glory is extremely reticent to bring in more than one thai per weight class (in addition to other deserving fighters), it's pretty difficult to say that they really have all the best fighters in the world or that what they are watching is representative of the best product possible.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Yeah as i said they train differently for every sport they compete in. Yodwicha himself said he trained differently for international fights. Superbon as said he had to work on his hands specifically to improve his kickboxing.

I never denied that they trained differently for kickboxing as opposed to muay thai. My question is, is there any evidence that kickboxing thais do significantly more boxing training than stadium thais, who compete in boxing on a regular basis.

 

[Kanka]

I never denied that they trained differently for kickboxing as opposed to muay thai. My question is, is there any evidence that kickboxing thais do significantly more boxing training than stadium thais, who compete in boxing on a regular basis.

Not all thais train boxing on a regular basis and the "thai kickboxing camps" certainly do train more "kickboxing boxing" if you will, than the thais that only train either muay thai or pure boxing.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Not all thais train boxing on a regular basis and the "thai kickboxing camps" certainly do train more "kickboxing boxing" if you will, than the thais that only train either muay thai or pure boxing.

That might be true.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Because you are filling people's screens with pointless walls of shit that nobody can fucking read. Do you understand that? If you post a giant block of text, nobody can read it, so what the fuck is the point of you writing it in the first place?

Clearly alot of people must be able to read what I've written, seeing as how they've all gotten up in arms about it.

 

[Tayski]

Not all thais train boxing on a regular basis and the "thai kickboxing camps" certainly do train more "kickboxing boxing" if you will, than the thais that only train either muay thai or pure boxing.

That was exactly my point but he's having none of it.

His bias is on another level, he tries to convince us all that Thais are unbeatable gods who are all masters of Muay Thai + Kickboxing + Boxing all combined but unfortunately they are being stopped from showing their godly dominance because of the evil racist westerners who stop them from fighting in their promotions to avoid embarrassment.

Arguing with him is just a one way conversation no matter how many people tell him the same thing.

 

[Tayski]

Your typical stadium thai does train and compete in boxing. There is nothing special about the way fighters from Sitsongpeenong and Banchamek train. The fact that you think there is something special about Sitsongpeenong and Banchamek just goes to show that you only follow kickboxing and have a totally Eurocentric viewpoint.

Not all thais train boxing on a regular basis and the "thai kickboxing camps" certainly do train more "kickboxing boxing" if you will, than the thais that only train either muay thai or pure boxing.

That might be true.

How much can you contradict yourself in such a short period of time?

 

[AbeRudder]

How much can you contradict yourself in such a short period of time?

But he's right though. Sittichai's training isn't revolutionary or anything, he does boxing work with a boxing coach. You can watch the videos online, it's fairly standard stuff. There are plenty of thais that train in boxing, stadium thais enter boxing tournaments all the time (petpanomrung has done boxing training before he ever did kickboxing). Now applying punches in a kickboxing is different than in a boxing or muay thai context absolutely. Some of the best punchers in muay thai probably wouldn't be great boxers either.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

But he's right though. Sittichai's training isn't revolutionary or anything, he does boxing work with a boxing coach. You can watch the videos online, it's fairly standard stuff. There are plenty of thais that train in boxing, stadium thais enter boxing tournaments all the time (petpanomrung has done boxing training before he ever did kickboxing). Now applying punches in a kickboxing is different than in a boxing or muay thai context absolutely. Some of the best punchers in muay thai probably wouldn't be great boxers either.

I gave a list of a million stadium guys who box. But apparently Sittichai, Buakaw, Yod, and all the successful kickboxing thais, know way more about boxing than them and train it way more. Just look at the footage from the ammy tournament I posted a while back Sittichai was training boxing with Thaksinlek, Yodwicha, Kongsak, Petpanomrung and others.

And even if there was evidence that stadium thais were inferior boxers to guys like Sittichai and whoever does kickboxing, it still wouldn't mean that they don't know how to box. Especially, since the claim is that European kickboxers are infinitely superior to stadium thais at boxing. Where is the footage of the kickboxers boxing at a high level and winning olympic medals and world titles?

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

How much can you contradict yourself in such a short period of time?

No shit the kickboxing thais are going to train more "kickboxing boxing" than the thais in the stadiums. But that doesn't mean that the thais in the stadiums don't box or that they aren't just as good or better at boxing than the kickboxing thais.

 

[DastardlyMass]

on the one hand you're saying Glory has a one-thai rule and on the other hand you are quoting a post that lists three Thai fighters currenty active in Glory, Makes sense.

it is per fucking weight class you damn genius. Also nice to know you still do not put your name on all the articles you write for glory's website but your so fucking smart you tweet them all out from your personal twitter.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Not all thais train boxing on a regular basis and the "thai kickboxing camps" certainly do train more "kickboxing boxing" if you will, than the thais that only train either muay thai or pure boxing.

But couldn't you flip that question around and ask whether the kickboxing thais don't do less "pure" boxing training and competition than the guys in the stadiums? I've never seen Superbon or Buakaw or Kongnapa compete in ammy boxing tournaments.

But my real point is that the fact that a thai does kickboxing doesn't tell you anything about their boxing ability. I mean by this line of reasoning shouldn't Kongnapa be able to tune up a "stadium thai" like Superbank because he trains at Weerasakreck a "kickboxing" gym?

 

[verrix]

"Kickboxing boxing" isn't boxing. There's overlap, of course, but not anymore than in "Muay Thai boxing." It makes no sense to judge a fighters boxing ability off of performances in a sport that isn't boxing.

 

[Cocakillbana]

right, you're the one ranting online in caps lock and battering the !!!!!!!!! button but I'm a total idiot,sure.

Muay Thai Premier League was purist in the sense it tried promoting pure Muay Thai and failed; People don't care for it, because it's a bit alien to them, the same as they don't care to see ten, twenty Thai fighters in each kickboxing weight class. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK, EXCEPT YOU.

Suggestion for you: go and watch Muay Thai from Thailand, you will be a lot happier. Channel7 awaits you.

That's an odd thing to say. If someone cares about the sport, why wouldn't they want to see the best talent competing in it? That on its own should bring into question whether entertainment is more important than sport.

 

[Cocakillbana]

The core of the problem isn't that Thais are largely ignored in kickboxing, it's that kickboxing consciously ignores Thais and still passes itself off as legitimate and on top of the striking pedestal. The Muay Thai fan merely wants truth and instead what we get is a burial.

It can be recognized in many groups that Thais are the best kick fighters, but beyond that, it's a heroic effort for credence and consideration to be given. I think many in this particular circle like the impression of being interested in Muay Thai more than actually being interested in Muay Thai. To know enough to defend it, reference a miscellaneous fact when appropriate, or to stamp some kind of combat sports fan card.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

There seems to be a whole lot of kickboxing exceptionalism going on here. Especially the idea that the Sittichai's and Buakaw's of the world, and whichever other Thais kickbox successfully, are somehow categorically different and can do things which your run of the mill stadium fighter could never hope to. Ignoring the fact that these guys were all stadium fighters themselves once and often unremarkable ones. Often this logic is pushed to the point of absurdity and this is the result:

[URL]http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/buakaw-was-an-anomaly.3350525/[/URL]

 

[Shadess]

Quickly becoming the shittiest poster ever for me. Misquoting posts just to try and twist shit into something suitable to make his point is quite a low thing to keep doing.

 

[Shadess]

only Buakaw would have warranted inclusion as a Thai who was accomplishing much of anything

lol omg

 

[UWanaPlayDaGame]

this thread is rotten to the core

 

[Snubnoze707]

I'd prefer more Brocky and less JT at this point...