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The genius of GWB's speeches

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ok, so I am reading this book

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It got into an interesting part about a technique called dubitatio
dubitatio- It is a rhetorical device in which the person starts with the impression of being helpless, not being able to speak well or articulate their points of interest.

It went on to talk about how both Lincoln and GWB used this. But then also got into the brilliance of bushisms

I think we all thought that GWB was just a moron and had no idea of what he was talking about. But of course all presidents have speech writers and most attend ivy league schools and have a certain intelligence.

Bushisms are logic free collection of values and code words. Fucking brilliant.
Basically saying shit that makes no logic sense if we were to read it, but hearing it certain words stick in our heads. Like a fucking Nirvana song.

Christian code
When he speaks the faithful, for example, he prefers “I believe” to “I think.” In the summer of 2001 he used “believe” as a kind of fugue:

“I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe—I believe what I believe is right.”

For Christians, he began sentences with “And,” just like the Bible:

“And in all that is to come, we can know that His purposes are just and true.”

Women code
Bush appealed to women with sentences that began “I understand,” and he repeated words such as “peace” and “security” and “protecting.”

military code
For the military, he used “never relent” and “whatever it takes” and “we must not waver” and “not on my watch.”

man code
For men, he used swaggering humor that implied he personally pulls the military trigger:

“When I take action, I’m not going to fire a two million dollar missile at a ten dollar empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It’s going to be decisive.”


He uses code words without the distraction of logic, often repeating them.

Bushism breakdowns---


“We look forward to hearing your vision, so we can more better do our job.”

This is a classic Bushism, fractured syntax that seems to come out of a short circuit in the language center of his brain. You know what he means, though, don’t you? If you heard it instead of read it, you would probably miss the “hearing your vision” part and come away with “look forward” and “hearing” and “vision” and “do our job.” The resulting message conveys optimism, listening, and duty. Bushisms treat audiences like the dog in the Far Side cartoon.

What Bush says: Part of the facts is understanding we have a problem, and part of the facts is what you’re going to do about it.
What sticks in people’s minds: … facts … understanding … problem … facts.
The distracted listener gets the impression of an engaged, knowledgeable leader.

Bush attracts red state voters by emphasizing the values of hard work, quality of life, and making our community a better place. He also injects the Christian code words “believe” and “called” (a Christian is called by God to fulfill his mission in life). He uses these code words efficiently, with a brevity impossible in a logical sentence.

What Bush says: And so during these holiday seasons, we thank our blessings.
What sticks in people’s minds: … holiday season … thank … blessings.

http://inpraiseofargument.squarespace.com/talk-like-bush/

Pretty much stole all this from this link.

Reading this, I wonder if trump could use this. Trump has no logic or plan, but he repeat the right code words over and over again if trained.

Just something different. That even seeming idiocy is a planned rhetoric tool.
 
Anyone defending bush Jr should be ashamed of themselves

Who is defending GWB? I am pointing out that Bushims were calculated and not just the ramblings of an idiot. He was using effective rhetoric devices.

Also, care to elaborate why anyone defending GWB should be ashamed of themselves?
 
Who is defending GWB? I am pointing out that Bushims were calculated and not just the ramblings of an idiot. He was using effective rhetoric devices.

Also, care to elaborate why anyone defending GWB should be ashamed of themselves?

If I have to explain why you should be ashamed of W than you're too far gone to reason with.
 
Lol. Well I think Bush Jr at his core is a patriot and a good man. With that said I think he was out of his depth, misguided misled and stubborn as hell.
 
ok, so I am reading this book

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Yes, Bush was craftier and more calculating than his critics assumed. He understood how to appeal to Americans at an emotional level.

And thank you for taking the time to read that book to improve your forum posting. Remember that losing your temper and resorting to insults and hostile language does not win debates.
 
Its not that hard to trick semi retarded and gullible Americans
 
Yes, Bush was craftier and more calculating than his critics assumed. He understood how to appeal to Americans at an emotional level.

And thank you for taking the time to read that book to improve your forum posting. Remember that losing your temper and resorting to insults and hostile language does not win debates.

Bingo. W Bush is genius. It's funny how he fooled the gullible fools like Kong.

Here's the real George W Bush contrasted with his Dubya character. He knew in the 2000 election the country wanted a Dubya, not a George W Bush. The first guy never would have had a shot at the Presidency. The Dubya character, on the other hand...Genius.

 
Ive believed for years that Jr. is one of the best actors in history. Instead of hes a war criminal tyrant he gets oh hes just slow well give him a pass. Idiot savant maybe but straight fool, not by a longshot. I do believe humans and fish can exist peacefully at some point as well. Techmology.
 
Ive believed for years that Jr. is one of the best actors in history. Instead of hes a war criminal tyrant he gets oh hes just slow well give him a pass. Idiot savant maybe but straight fool, not by a longshot. I do believe humans and fish can exist peacefully at some point as well. Techmology.

Bleh *coexist
 
Yes, Bush was craftier and more calculating than his critics assumed. He understood how to appeal to Americans at an emotional level.

And thank you for taking the time to read that book to improve your forum posting. Remember that losing your temper and resorting to insults and hostile language does not win debates.

This reminds me of the 2004 election. I thought Bush's appeal to emotion was especially effective in his debates with Kerry.

I can't find the quote so I'm going off of memory. Kerry alluded to the war being bullshit and x number of troops being dead because of it. Bush rebutted with something to the effect of, tell their families that they died for nothing.

Kerry tried to hit Bush from another angle regarding troop deaths:

At one point, Mr. Kerry criticized Mr. Bush for failing to enlist the help of the United Nations and other allies before going into Iraq, saying that as a result the United States was enduring a disproportionate number of casualties and costs.

"When we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States," he said. "That's not a grand coalition. We can do better."

To which Bush responded:

"Well, actually you forgot Poland," Mr. Bush said. "And now there are 30 nations involved, standing side by side with our American troops. And I honor their sacrifices, and I don't appreciate it when a candidate for president denigrates the contributions of these brave, brave soldiers."

Kerry attempted to make a point that with a more broad coalition, less US troops would have died, but Bush flipped it on him.
 
If he ever did any speeches in english, we might have a better idea. Maybe everyone just misunderestimates him?
 
If I have to explain why you should be ashamed of W than you're too far gone to reason with.

You have to explain to me why YOU think that anyone should be ashamed to defend bush. I cannot read your mind. If you don't know then I suggest you go to the heavies. PS - I am not defended bush anywhere here, just writing up on his speaking abilities.

And thank you for taking the time to read that book to improve your forum posting. Remember that losing your temper and resorting to insults and hostile language does not win debates.

This book is all for speaking in public / rhetoric.

For actual posting I am much more indebted to Ben Shapiro who is the best fucking debater out there. I like that he actually uses facts to back up his points. cray cray, right?
 
You have to explain to me why YOU think that anyone should be ashamed to defend bush. I cannot read your mind. If you don't know then I suggest you go to the heavies. PS - I am not defended bush anywhere here, just writing up on his speaking abilities.

Just defending his ability to manipulate.

I also think it's possible that there's some early onset dementia like that doctor quoted in that video. In the few appearances he's made since he left office he hasn't reverted back to his pre-2000 self.
 
People have the wrong view on bush like he was some Texas good ol boy.

He's a new Englander old money. He never had to work a day in his life. His father built up a net work for him to use. They crafted everything he said.

He wasn't stupid. Just ignorant. And he had the New England pride about it and other people. You think he cared about sending a bunch of poor people off to die?
Lol
Grow up
 
This reminds me of the 2004 election. I thought Bush's appeal to emotion was especially effective in his debates with Kerry.

I can't find the quote so I'm going off of memory. Kerry alluded to the war being bullshit and x number of troops being dead because of it. Bush rebutted with something to the effect of, tell their families that they died for nothing.

Kerry tried to hit Bush from another angle regarding troop deaths:



To which Bush responded:



Kerry attempted to make a point that with a more broad coalition, less US troops would have died, but Bush flipped it on him.
That whole race was a masterstroke of campaign tactics. Karl Rove managed to turn a draft dodger into a patriotic hero while a Silver Star and Purple Heart recepient became a treasonous liar.
 
Meh, most everyone today believes Bush was an idiot and one of the worse presidents we ever had in recent memory.
 
Rex Kwon Do defending Bush claiming he's a real smarty pants.

Keep,up the laughs Rex.
 
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