The fight that defined GSP

I agree. One of the goats. The WW goat. I don't think there will ever be one decisive goat, but then again, that's always open for debate. Plus it doesn't make sense imo to have a stand alone goat of all weight classes.

I also agree with your Rigg's comment and I hate having to feel like I have to say "and I'm a GSP fan" but I felt Hendricks won that fight. It just so happens GSP got the Champions nod. Not the first time it happened in a fight but it is what it is.
Jon Jones was on his way to being that generational fighter where you could compare standards by or of him but that went out the window when he started popin' , " pulsing " and getting suspended.

A ,now, mainstream sport but still " young" in comparison to the history of other sports.
I agree, there is yet to be that one decisive goat.
 
Those numbers look great on paper and I watched the fight and i give Jake credit for implementing his game plan but " beat up" just doesnt give that fight justice. He put himself in great position to smother Dan and strike him with innocuous strikes ( trying to be nice) but he absolutely frustrated Henderson for entire fight. Imagine if Jake had any savage in him- then he would've finished a prime hendo.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere.

So you'll agree that context matters then? Shields has a gameplan to frustrate his opponents. Largely due to his lack of striking. And that despite his rudimentary (I'd go so far as to say downright terrible) striking acumen, he's a very hard guy to beat, much less put away?

So let's follow this logic through. In the context of the Henderson fight, you want to say that what Shields did was impressive in implementing his game plan, but don't want to give him too much credit for beating Henderson. I'm assuming you don't want to give him too much credit because you found it 'boring'. Yet he managed to beat Dan Henderson, a guy that many consider a top 10 fighter all time. Shields absolutely dominated Henderson. Won a unanimous decision on all 3 score cards.

Then when looking at the GSP fight, all you (and others) want to say is Shields almost won a fight that was largely contested on the feet, without looking at the context of what actually happened in the fight? Shields 'gameplan' against GSP seemed to be trying to (literally) blind the man in one eye. He almost succeeded, but despite that, GSP still won the fight. Something Henderson failed to do. The only reason the GSP fight was remotely close, was the blatant and illegal eye pokes that Shields was throwing. Once is an accident. Twice is being careless. Three, four, five times is blatantly trying to cheat. But we'll just ignore that in favor of the 'GSP got beaten up by Shields on the feet' narrative.

For what it's worth, I actually watched the Shields vs Henderson fight live when it happened (not at the event, but on TV). I never really thought Shields 'beat up' Henderson, I just used that term to prove that context matters. I figured you guys want to 'play dumb' with the Shields vs GSP fight, I can do the same with the Henderson fight.

In the end, GSP won, Henderson lost. But you guys go ahead and spin it in whatever way fits the narrative you're trying to push.
 
You don't see Penn's thumb hitting GSP's eye? BJ doesn't have a tendancy to punch with his thump OUT of his fist? I thought you knew everything about mma. Im disapointed.

I guess that GSP had a cut on his eyeball from a clean punch :rolleyes:
ROFL it's like you never seen a low blow in a fight and how they are usually handled.
hmmm... those 2 assessments were there only to educate you,tbh. The other 2 posters I quoted are legit, you... not so much.. not even badmouthin´you here...

Anyway...

> about the low blow: you provided no technical rebuttal.

> about the "eye poke": show us the exact frame with an extended thumb.

Question: what´s the difference between this technical sequence & the eye poke suffered by Hughes against BJ?
 
I'm confused- I made it clear that gsp was one of the gosts before I went into my rather honest post.

What's the problem ?

No problem on my part with what you said (I don't consider GSP to be THE GOAT either), just a general observation on my part about Sherdoggers not recognizing that everyone -- including much better athletes than anyone in MMA such as Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Bo Jackson -- has off nights. In most sports fans know this. Sherdoggers seem to think a one bad fight means a fighter (and that applies to everyone who's ever lost a fight) was never any good.

Your mentioning GSP losing to Serra just reminded me of how many times I've heard Sherdoggers (not you, as you correctly point out) saying GSP can't be great because he lost to Serra and Hughes, that Anderson can't be great because he lost to Chonan and Weidman, that Fedor can't be great because he lost to Werdun and Henderson etc). Boxing fans tend to be better about fighters having bad days and getting old -- Sugar Ray Robinson has losses but is still considered a great, same for Muhammad Ali nd in fact most of the greats. By MMA fans standards SRR was never any good because he started losing later on, same for Muhammad Ali.
 
I cant take that fight away from him ( in hindsight, I can discredit Luke and every fight Luke had after would only validate it)
but I can go over Mike's underwhelming fights before and especially after.
* context *
It holds water and all u sheep should learn.

Just LOL.
 
hmmm... those 2 assessments were there only to educate you,tbh. The other 2 posters I quoted are legit, you... not so much.. not even badmouthin´you here...

Anyway...

> about the low blow: you provided no technical rebuttal.

> about the "eye poke": show us the exact frame with an extended thumb.

Question: what´s the difference between this technical sequence & the eye poke suffered by Hughes against BJ?

YOU show me the frame when we clearly see the punch that cut GSP's eyeball. And what does the Hughes fight have to do with this?
 
The fact that ,lol,Jake Shields stood with Gsp in another 25 minute decision doesn't exactly speak volumes for him being thee greatest cage fighter of all time( and it was competitive at that).

I thought Conor fans were the only unreasonable people to debate with.

Oh God - I shouldnt of said that.

You act like Shields is a chump while he in fact totally dominated Silva's best win.
 
YOU show me the frame when we clearly see the punch that cut GSP's eyeball. And what does the Hughes fight have to do with this?
1st of all, I´ve already dropped my technical assessment, you didnt drop shit.
Consequently, until then, sit down & stay quiet

Why Hughes? Because you talked about BJ´s "tendencies"...[sigh].
Answer the question.
 
Ok, now we're getting somewhere.

So you'll agree that context matters then? Shields has a gameplan to frustrate his opponents. Largely due to his lack of striking. And that despite his rudimentary (I'd go so far as to say downright terrible) striking acumen, he's a very hard guy to beat, much less put away?

So let's follow this logic through. In the context of the Henderson fight, you want to say that what Shields did was impressive in implementing his game plan, but don't want to give him too much credit for beating Henderson. I'm assuming you don't want to give him too much credit because you found it 'boring'. Yet he managed to beat Dan Henderson, a guy that many consider a top 10 fighter all time. Shields absolutely dominated Henderson. Won a unanimous decision on all 3 score cards.

Then when looking at the GSP fight, all you (and others) want to say is Shields almost won a fight that was largely contested on the feet, without looking at the context of what actually happened in the fight? Shields 'gameplan' against GSP seemed to be trying to (literally) blind the man in one eye. He almost succeeded, but despite that, GSP still won the fight. Something Henderson failed to do. The only reason the GSP fight was remotely close, was the blatant and illegal eye pokes that Shields was throwing. Once is an accident. Twice is being careless. Three, four, five times is blatantly trying to cheat. But we'll just ignore that in favor of the 'GSP got beaten up by Shields on the feet' narrative.

For what it's worth, I actually watched the Shields vs Henderson fight live when it happened (not at the event, but on TV). I never really thought Shields 'beat up' Henderson, I just used that term to prove that context matters. I figured you guys want to 'play dumb' with the Shields vs GSP fight, I can do the same with the Henderson fight.

In the end, GSP won, Henderson lost. But you guys go ahead and spin it in whatever way fits the narrative you're trying to push.
I stopped reading at one point cause u have me confused with saying shields beat or got best of gsp- I never said that.

'dominate " and " get beaten up" are 2 different avenues. Shields did " dominate " the fight ( in his way) but he didnt " beat up" Henderson. This isnt semantics, either. I can give examples of the difference ( but I really dont have time )- hopefully u get point.
 
I was so broke in college and good ole Matt made me a lot money lol.
Serra turned Gsp into a much more conservative, cautious, kinda boring fighter but that’s what made Gsp a goat as well. If you are going to fight like a brute for the enjoyment of the sherbros but getting koed left and right.... it might not be a good deal. I enjoy pre Serra GSP much more, but he would have NEVER made it the way he did without changing his style. It turned out damn well for him if you ask me.
 
You act like Shields is a chump while he in fact totally dominated Silva's best win.
Jake Shields is no chump. Hes an elite grappler who throws a punch like a girl but has been somewhat effective with his girly but effective jab. As far as Anderson goes, I dont play the mma math games cause that just shows lack of knowledge / sport/ MMA.

The gsp testicular vine jumpers will love u for that but both are goats and actually glad u brought up that silliness cause MY OPINION:
prime Anderson > prime gsp

* opinion *

Not to mention, Anderson actually hurt dando and shields effectively frustrated Dan for duration....just for the record. Again, MMA math " rarely " carries any relevance.
 
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The fact that ,lol,Jake Shields stood with Gsp in another 25 minute decision doesn't exactly speak volumes for him being thee greatest cage fighter of all time( and it was competitive at that).

I thought Conor fans were the only unreasonable people to debate with.

Oh God - I shouldnt of said that.

I stopped reading at one point cause u have me confused with saying shields beat or got best of gsp- I never said that.

'dominate " and " get beaten up" are 2 different avenues. Shields did " dominate " the fight ( in his way) but he didnt " beat up" Henderson. This isnt semantics, either. I can give examples of the difference ( but I really dont have time )- hopefully u get point.

Read the first post above. Then tell me again how you didn't try to ignore the context of what actually happened in the fight with GSP and Shields. While again trying to downplay what Shields did to Henderson (and I acknowledged the fact that Shields didn't beat him up in the post you quoted).

You're either willfully ignorant, playing dumb, or truly stupid. I'll let you decide which statement is true.
 
gsp fans like to pull the MIB shinning light trick and try to rewrite the narrative on factual history.

Facts are that he fought the most pedestrian competition out of the consensus goats. He couldnt put any of the contenders away. He ducked Anderson for years. He lost his belt in his prime to Matt Serra, a journeyman lw. Great guy but not someone that should have held a belt let alone in a weight class above his own. He lost to Matt Hughes when Matt was in his prime and had to wait until matt was older and out of prime to beat him. He legit lost to BJ in the first fight and had to wait until bj fought out of weight class to beat him. TWO of his wins have not had LOSING records after fighting him and they are sheidls and fitch, jake being 500 and fitch having a great post gsp record, which leads one to believe he fought every contender on the downside of their careers. Half of his wins are josh koscheck, dan hardy, thiago alves, matt serra and over the hill matt hughes.

Look georges was a great fighter, and I have always said that he is one of the greatest ambassadors of the sport and p4p one of the nicest guys ever but he doesnt belong in the same breath as anderson fedor and bones. Hes not even in the convo. I dont understand how his name gets into that room.
 
Read the first post above. Then tell me again how you didn't try to ignore the context of what actually happened in the fight with GSP and Shields. While again trying to downplay what Shields did to Henderson (and I acknowledged the fact that Shields didn't beat him up in the post you quoted).

You're either willfully ignorant, playing dumb, or truly stupid. I'll let you decide which statement is true.
Are u a retard ?

" competitive " and referencing what u said or implied are a tad different.

So be careful with the " dumb" and the " ignorant"
 
gsp fans like to pull the MIB shinning light trick and try to rewrite the narrative on factual history.

Facts are that he fought the most pedestrian competition out of the consensus goats. He couldnt put any of the contenders away. He ducked Anderson for years. He lost his belt in his prime to Matt Serra, a journeyman lw. Great guy but not someone that should have held a belt let alone in a weight class above his own. He lost to Matt Hughes when Matt was in his prime and had to wait until matt was older and out of prime to beat him. He legit lost to BJ in the first fight and had to wait until bj fought out of weight class to beat him. TWO of his wins have not had LOSING records after fighting him and they are sheidls and fitch, jake being 500 and fitch having a great post gsp record, which leads one to believe he fought every contender on the downside of their careers. Half of his wins are josh koscheck, dan hardy, thiago alves, matt serra and over the hill matt hughes.

Look georges was a great fighter, and I have always said that he is one of the greatest ambassadors of the sport and p4p one of the nicest guys ever but he doesnt belong in the same breath as anderson fedor and bones. Hes not even in the convo. I dont understand how his name gets into that room.
I like more of your post than I dont but I 100% agree the fighters you put over gsp.
Gsp fans are in denial when it comes to context and the guys he did fight . Again, he beat who they put in front of him but too many 25 minute smotherfests for my liking.
 
Are u a retard ?

" competitive " and referencing what u said or implied are a tad different.

So be careful with the " dumb" and the " ignorant"

Ugggghhhhh. They say you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Let me dumb this down to the simplest way I can possibly make it so that you can understand.

Do you think that if Jake Shileds had not intentionally tried to gouge GSPs eyeballs out in their fight, that it would have been in any way, shape or form 'competitive'?

Is that clear enough? Or do you want to keep playing stupid?
 
1st of all, I´ve already dropped my technical assessment, you didnt drop shit.
Consequently, until then, sit down & stay quiet

Why Hughes? Because you talked about BJ´s "tendencies"...[sigh].
Answer the question.

I already stated by technical assesment and you would have read it if you weren't so full of yourself.
 
Jake Shields is no chump. Hes an elite grappler who throws a punch like a girl but has been somewhat effective with his girly but effective jab. As far as Anderson goes, I dont play the mma math games cause that just shows lack of knowledge / sport/ MMA.

The gsp testicular vine jumpers will love u for that but both are goats and actually glad u brought up that silliness cause MY OPINION:
prime Anderson > prime gsp

* opinion *

Not to mention, Anderson actually hurt dando and shields effectively frustrated Dan for duration....just for the record. Again, MMA " rarely " carries any relevance.

I really don't care about your opinion. I care about facts.

Shields (a WW) totally dominated and embarassed Silva's best win (Hendo, a MW).
 
Ugggghhhhh. They say you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Let me dumb this down to the simplest way I can possibly make it so that you can understand.

Do you think that if Jake Shileds had not intentionally tried to gouge GSPs eyeballs out in their fight, that it would have been in any way, shape or form 'competitive'?

Is that clear enough? Or do you want to keep playing stupid?
Uggggghhhhhh- you're now making another illegal u-turn ( I know u mentioned an eye gauge 88 posts ago - I'm trying teach 3 or 4 of u at the same time so you're making things difficult).

Gsp is the goat ? ...right ? so he couldnt collect himself and dominate a guy like Shields on the feet.
You're so confused what and when u posted it- you're confusing me.

For my money :

Gsp wrestling > Shields grappling so he couldve taken that avenue.

Gsp is a fighter .....he cage fights for a living and he supposed to be one of the goats so I dont want to hear this shit.
 
I already stated by technical assesment and you would have read it if you weren't so full of yourself.
hmmm...sure...

Puh-lease...

lol heath.gif

This is what I call a legit (right or wrong, at least tryin´) technical assessment:

hmmm...yeah... that´s a myth.

vs BJ 1: that pseudo "eye poke" was not from an extended finger, was the result of a left hook [startin´a combo], probably [since 'hidden' angle] a knuckle grazin´ No Rush´s eye.


The 3rd & 4th pic. clearly shows that the fist was closed & the thumb not extended.

But this ´narrative´(originally dropped live by Rogan who´s always had [historically] a limited understandin´of the technical sequences (see how he assesses [supposedly] 'tight' subz...) has always been used by the No Rush fanbase as an excuse for his shortcomings in that fight.

The reality: No Rush´s strikin´& [then] limited skill set was exposed in that fight, & against... an undersized opponent.

It iz what it iz.

This one is a fallacy, indeed.

Admitted or not, The problem is not the 2nd one, it´s the 1st one.
BJM´s duty was to give a stern warnin´to No Rush after that 1st one, which would have:

1- prevented No Rush from givin´another [risky] one [potential 1 point deduction]

2- made Hughes less worried about another leg kick
Consequently, he would have [arguably] kept a much more 'balanced´ stance & perhaps avoided the head kick.

Matt said: "It´s not my groin. My legs feel like they´re asleep"
BJM:"Well, the way I see it, I think he hit you in the leg & it slid up"

then:
Matt:"George kept kickin´me with those leg kicks, and I dropped my hands to block"

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BJM´s 1st mistake : No Stern Warnin´:


BJM´s 2nd mistake : No Point Deducted (since he assessed it as a 2nd low blow) :



Now, this... is representative of the No Rush fanbase: pure crap, unable to drop any technical shit about skill sets, technical sequences or contexts.
You have the audacity to call this shit a technical assessment? Really?

ROFL it's like you never seen a low blow in a fight and how they are usually handled.

You don't see Penn's thumb hitting GSP's eye? BJ doesn't have a tendancy to punch with his thump OUT of his fist? I thought you knew everything about mma. Im disapointed.

I guess that GSP had a cut on his eyeball from a clean punch :rolleyes:

A pure mix of "lols", memes repeated ad nauseam, and z-e-r-o substance. Nuthin´. Garbage.
95% of that No Rush fanbase brings nuthin´to this place.

What 2 do? What 2 say? It iz what it iz.
 
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