The fight that defined GSP

[OldFashion]

Sad attempt to defame the goat

 

[poor form]

Does anyone have a link to a Matt Serra , Serra vs GSP *2* post fight interview ? I always wondered what Serra thought about getting mauled like that . Like , how TF strong is GSP ?

Iirc, Matt was very humble, and in hostile territory. That’s what really solidified him as a good guy in my books. All respect to Matt Serra. I like the guy.

 

[El Panteron]

having two title fights where you were so close, one in which you were arguably robbed, after a long career probably saps the fire out of you to train & compete at the same level.

*kinda should be noted that a lot of people think he basically won a title fight after the Georges loss

Condit beat Lawler for sure. Had him 49-46 if I remember correctly.
I already knew Lawler would win the fight when I watched so I was really expecting a finish.

All in all it's the best comeback ever. Lawler managed to come back after the fight was over, that is GOAT shit right there.

 

[poor form]

In context of elite middleweight strikers ?
No.
As a UFC caliber fighter ? Yes....to a degree ( he always brought it and was tough to best unless he fought someone who he was suppose to lose to or considered even - going in)

Look what 48 year old Dan Henderson did to him in 2nd fight. That was not supposed to go down that way.

Look what bjj practitioner Thales Leites did to him in a 25 minute walk down split before he fought a past it Anderson Silva ( which was razor close - ping won but also the one who took the damage ).

Jesus, He eeked by CB Dolloway ( like alot of his UFC decision wins).

Yeah... all you guys wanted that 2nd Hendo fight until Bisping won. Then all of a sudden lots of people crapped on the fight. And what does getting dropped by a couple of H Bombs have to do with Bisping’s striking? As usual you’re reaching for anything to discredit GSP. Absolutely nothing new about this.

But nothing you say changes the FACT that more people think GSP is the GOAT than ANY other fighter. You’re going to have to accept that FACT at some point. Or continue to look like a reject. It might be time to grow up.

 

[wlu.29]

Theres no shame in losing to jake sheilds the guy is an all time.great but when he beats you up on the feet for a few rounds thats like losing a k1 fight to cm punk.

Such bitterness

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

The problem that georges has is that he doesnt have a legacy cementing fight that 100 years from now people will still watch. There is literally zero hl reel stuff for posterity and to capture future generation imaginations.

Think about the anderson, fedor and bones hl reels. In 100 years from now fight historians will reference some of their finishes and classic fights with other legends. Gsp will not have his fights dissected and studied. He will be be forgotton because he just didnt deliver excitement and finishes.

Boxing fans still remember Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsy, Gene Tunney (and many more) despite their lack of highlight reel. When you go back a century all you really get is names, very few people watch old films of boxing greats (or baseball or any other sport). And a century from now almost no one will go back and watch the fighters of today, they'll be too busy watching their current fighters.

Other than that, excitement is 100% subjective. Some people like rock, others like classical music. Some like wine, some like beer. Some like action movies, some drama's. Thinking that everyone agrees on what is an entertaining fight is only possible if you completely ignore the variety of human interests. There are a lot of strange things on Sherdog, but the idea that everyone finds the same kinds of fights entertaining is the weirdest, given how varied what humans find entertaining is.

I find Fedor's fights to be the most entertaining in all of MMA. But I'd never think that makes them more entertaining for anyone but me.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Gsp one of the sports enigma s. One of the goats on one hand but the context of most ( if not all) of his fights took an uneventful turn after he was " deer in the headlight-ed" after Serra. Greatest double leg- er in game along with his wrestling but too many 25 minute smotherfests for my liking. He was 25- 3 ( in my book , I gave him loss in rigg fight. fuck anyone who has a problem with that) and at end of the day - did beat who they put in front of him. As a " cage fighter" , I could NEVER consider him thee goat like most of his fans consider him.

He was finished by Serra and Hughes. Anderson has also been finished. So has Fedor. If not being finished is required to be a GOAT, that leaves Jones (who's a pretty good candidate in any case). Me, I'm used to athletes having off nights (its why so many sports have best of seven instead of single games to determine the champ) -- they're human, and sometimes that means everything going wrong.

 

[King in the North]

Theres no shame in losing to jake sheilds the guy is an all time.great but when he beats you up on the feet for a few rounds thats like losing a k1 fight to cm punk.

A lot of truth in this. GSP fans ignore the fact that Shields busted their boy up. The GOAT should have no problem striking with Shields.


I don’t want to just hate though. The ass beating GSP put on Fitch is the stuff of legends and one of my favorite fights because I hate Fitch. Seriously brutal stuff.

 

[Roy D Rayge]

The problem that georges has is that he doesnt have a legacy cementing fight that 100 years from now people will still watch. There is literally zero hl reel stuff for posterity and to capture future generation imaginations.

Think about the anderson, fedor and bones hl reels. In 100 years from now fight historians will reference some of their finishes and classic fights with other legends. Gsp will not have his fights dissected and studied. He will be be forgotton because he just didnt deliver excitement and finishes.

For argument sake...lets say he may or may not have a "legacy cementing" fight. But believe me when I say, in 100 years people will definitely know who GSP still is based on his dominant career and straight up athleticism. Don't kid yourself. People who don't think his fights were exciting, imo, really don't appreciate all aspects of the game.

 

[ThunderStruck]

This one is a fallacy, indeed.

Admitted or not, The problem is not the 2nd one, it´s the 1st one.
BJM´s duty was to give a stern warnin´to No Rush after that 1st one, which would have:

1- prevented No Rush from givin´another [risky] one [potential 1 point deduction]

2- made Hughes less worried about another leg kick
Consequently, he would have [arguably] kept a much more 'balanced´ stance & perhaps avoided the head kick.

Spoiler: Matt Hughes´book: 'Made in America'

Matt said: "It´s not my groin. My legs feel like they´re asleep"
BJM:"Well, the way I see it, I think he hit you in the leg & it slid up"

then:
Matt:"George kept kickin´me with those leg kicks, and I dropped my hands to block"

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BJM´s 1st mistake : No Stern Warnin´:

Spoiler: Historical Perspective - 1st Low Blow

RUSSIAN MMA:

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JMMA:

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BJM´s 2nd mistake : No Point Deducted (since he assessed it as a 2nd low blow) :

Spoiler: Historical Perspective - 2nd Low Blow

JMMA:

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ROFL it's like you never seen a low blow in a fight and how they are usually handled.

 

[ThunderStruck]

hmmm...yeah... that´s a myth.

vs BJ 1: that pseudo "eye poke" was not from an extended finger, was the result of a left hook [startin´a combo], probably [since 'hidden' angle] a knuckle grazin´ No Rush´s eye.

Spoiler: Frame by Frame...

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The 3rd & 4th pic. clearly shows that the fist was closed & the thumb not extended.

But this ´narrative´(originally dropped live by Rogan who´s always had [historically] a limited understandin´of the technical sequences (see how he assesses [supposedly] 'tight' subz...) has always been used by the No Rush fanbase as an excuse for his shortcomings in that fight.

The reality: No Rush´s strikin´& [then] limited skill set was exposed in that fight, & against... an undersized opponent.

It iz what it iz.

You don't see Penn's thumb hitting GSP's eye? BJ doesn't have a tendancy to punch with his thump OUT of his fist? I thought you knew everything about mma. Im disapointed.

I guess that GSP had a cut on his eyeball from a clean punch

 

[Brandon Wilson]

A lot of truth in this. GSP fans ignore the fact that Shields busted their boy up. The GOAT should have no problem striking with Shields.


I don’t want to just hate though. The ass beating GSP put on Fitch is the stuff of legends and one of my favorite fights because I hate Fitch. Seriously brutal stuff.

And most GSP haters simply ignore the fact that GSP was up 3-0 by the 4th, and that Shields had tried to put his fingers through the back of Georges skull. You know he came out of that fight with a scratched cornea right? But that doesn't fit the narrative that people try to push about Shields out striking GSP on the feet.

Good talk.

 

[Franklin U.]

Yeah... all you guys wanted that 2nd Hendo fight until Bisping won. Then all of a sudden lots of people crapped on the fight. And what does getting dropped by a couple of H Bombs have to do with Bisping’s striking? As usual you’re reaching for anything to discredit GSP. Absolutely nothing new about this.

But nothing you say changes the FACT that more people think GSP is the GOAT than ANY other fighter. You’re going to have to accept that FACT at some point. Or continue to look like a reject. It might be time to grow up.

I'll deal with second part of your post, first .Lol - right back at u. It amazes me that you sorry mofos cant deal with people admitting that Nyquil gsp is one of the goats and not thee goat . Grow up and respect peoples reasonable opinions. You're making an ass out of yourself.

Ok - that out of the way ...on to your ridiculous and UNREASONABLE first part.
Everybody wanted 2nd hendo fight who was ranked 15th and 48 years old ? Dana had to be talked into it after declining fights to Romero, mousasi and jacare ( the #2, #3 and #4 at the time ). I have to pinch myself. Theres only 2 reasons why that fight took place - Dana couldnt make Bisping fight someone that he didnt want to ( in this case- just lose title right back) and was talked into avenging the most embarrassing ko in UFC history to camouflage the coward of non champion material. Dan Henderson was 2-6 before beating ,lol, Hector Lombard ????? " TO EARN TITLE SHOT "
.....and, lol, look what 48 year old Henderson did to him....again .

You're showing poor mma acumen.
You do know what a FACT is ?

Unfortunately, GSP is tied in with all this cause his mouth was watering after,lol, Henderson title defense as he vultured over a middleweight who wasnt even top 15 material but happen to have belt.

We all know the rest of story - 185 division, already a circus, continued on and on hold as gsp won his,lol, " legacy" fight and ,of course, went back on his word and IMMEDIATELY vacated cause he and everyone knew ( especially a blood boiling Dana White) that gsp wanted no part of getting mollywhopped by a top 185er.

Yeah, theres your goat. Gsp still 170 goat until he wont be. Theres nothing wrong with that. Theres only something wrong with u.

I have nothing against GSP. I dish it straight. Theres is not one untruthful word of my post.

Theres my " reasonable " opinion. Live with it.

 

[ThunderStruck]

as he vultured over a middleweight who wasnt even top 15 material but happen to have belt.

Oh really? Tell me how Bisping didn't knock out the uncontested, undisputed number 1 MW in the world.

Back in the days i posted all the rankings from all famous mma medias of the MW division before the GSP vs Bisping fight happened.

He was number 1 MW on most lists and the lowest you could find him is rank 3.

But yeah you're so right, clearly not top 15 material. Why? Because GSP happened to beat him so you must make sure to give him as little credit as you can.

 

[Franklin U.]

He was finished by Serra and Hughes. Anderson has also been finished. So has Fedor. If not being finished is required to be a GOAT, that leaves Jones (who's a pretty good candidate in any case). Me, I'm used to athletes having off nights (its why so many sports have best of seven instead of single games to determine the champ) -- they're human, and sometimes that means everything going wrong.

I'm confused- I made it clear that gsp was one of the gosts before I went into my rather honest post.

What's the problem ?

 

[King in the North]

And most GSP haters simply ignore the fact that GSP was up 3-0 by the 4th, and that Shields had tried to put his fingers through the back of Georges skull. You know he came out of that fight with a scratched cornea right? But that doesn't fit the narrative that people try to push about Shields out striking GSP on the feet.

Good talk.

This is why everyone says GSP fanbois are so sensitive. You don’t need to get so defensive. Shields bloodied your boy and the fight was closer than you’re selectively remembering.

Shields outgrappled Maia and outstruck GSP. Deal with it.

 

[Roy D Rayge]

I have nothing against GSP. I dish it straight.

I dare you to use that as your sig.

 

[ThunderStruck]

This is why everyone says GSP fanbois are so sensitive. You don’t need to get so defensive. Shields bloodied your boy and the fight was closer than you’re selectively remembering.

Shields outgrappled Maia and outstruck GSP. Deal with it.

You need to rewatch that fight if you think that Shields outstruck GSP. Stop spewing lies.

 

[Franklin U.]

Oh really? Tell me how Bisping didn't knock out the uncontested, undisputed number 1 MW in the world.

I cant take that fight away from him ( in hindsight, I can discredit Luke and every fight Luke had after would only validate it)
but I can go over Mike's underwhelming fights before and especially after.
* context *
It holds water and all u sheep should learn.

 

[Brandon Wilson]

I'll deal with second part of your post, first .Lol - right back at u. It amazes me that you sorry mofos cant deal with people admitting that Nyquil gsp is one of the goats and not thee goat . Grow up and respect peoples reasonable opinions. You're making an ass out of yourself.

Ok - that out of the way ...on to your ridiculous and UNREASONABLE first part.
Everybody wanted 2nd hendo fight who was ranked 15th and 48 years old ? Dana had to be talked into it after declining fights to Romero, mousasi and jacare ( the #2, #3 and #4 at the time ). I have to pinch myself. Theres only 2 reasons why that fight took place - Dana couldnt make Bisping fight someone that he didnt want to ( in this case- just lose title right back) and was talked into avenging the most embarrassing ko in UFC history to camouflage the coward of non champion material. Dan Henderson was 2-6 before beating ,lol, Hector Lombard ????? " TO EARN TITLE SHOT "
.....and, lol, look what 48 year old Henderson did to him....again .

You're showing poor mma acumen.
You do know what a FACT is ?

Unfortunately, GSP is tied in with all this cause his mouth was watering after,lol, Henderson title defense as he vultured over a middleweight who wasnt even top 15 material but happen to have belt.

We all know the rest of story - 185 division, already a circus, continued on and on hold as gsp won his,lol, " legacy" fight and ,of course, went back on his word and IMMEDIATELY vacated cause he and everyone knew ( especially a blood boiling Dana White) that gsp wanted no part of getting mollywhopped by a top 185er.

Yeah, theres your goat. Gsp still 170 goat until he wont be. Theres nothing wrong with that. Theres only something wrong with u.

I have nothing against GSP. I dish it straight. Theres is not one untruthful word of my post.

Theres my " reasonable " opinion. Live with it.

You know GSP was negotiating with the UFC to come back and fight, for at least 2 months before Bisping was even champion right? Of course, that doesn't fit with your narrative of him vulturing over coming back to fight Bisping, so you'll ignore it.

Just another reason GSP is GOAT I guess, his psychic abilities as well.

April 2016, Bisping won the title in June.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nation...with-ufc-about-possible-return-to-octagon/amp