The fight that defined GSP

[fedoriswar37]

Why is Hughes a legendary win when in his prime Hughes beat gsp. Hughes was way past prime when gsp was finally able to beat him.

Penn 2 was against a lw not a ww.

Fitch is a great win I think his career is way underrated.

Alves? Are you kidding me? This guy is a .500 career fighter.

Condit is a good win but I honestly feel Condits career is overrated.

Hughes had won 19 of his previous 20 fights and was on a 6 fight win streak with 5 finishes ( GSP being one) when he got tkod for just the 2nd time in his career. As for Penn, If you wanna push his legacy of fighting at multiple weight BS ( cause that's really all he has after the embarrassment his career has become) then you need to accept he was a former WW champ, was on a 3 fight win streak with 3 finishes. Not to mention it was a massive fight at the time and he QUIT on the stool. He was one of the toughest guys in the sport at the time. Fitch, no need to mention. Alves was a monster AT THE TIME, it was a huge win and a domination on the UFCs biggest card to date at the time and he was the co - main. Condit was GSP coming back from a massive knee injury, battling adversity and beating a very dangerous fighter. Your problem is your looking at a list of wins on the internet with 0 context. And buy that logic, BJ Penn is one of the worst fighters of all time and the most overrated in MMA history.

 

[bjpenngoat]

Hughes had won 19 of his previous 20 fights and was on a 6 fight win streak with 5 finishes ( GSP being one) when he got tkod for just the 2nd time in his career. As for Penn, If you wanna push his legacy of fighting at multiple weight BS ( cause that's really all he has after the embarrassment his career has become) then you need to accept he was a former WW champ, was on a 3 fight win streak with 3 finishes. Not to mention it was a massive fight at the time and he QUIT on the stool. He was one of the toughest guys in the sport at the time. Fitch, no need to mention. Alves was a monster AT THE TIME, it was a huge win and a domination on the UFCs biggest card to date at the time and he was the co - main. Condit was GSP coming back from a massive knee injury, battling adversity and beating a very dangerous fighter. Your problem is your looking at a list of wins on the internet with 0 context. And buy that logic, BJ Penn is one of the worst fighters of all time and the most overrated in MMA history.

I cant argue with a lot of what you wrote other than hughes went 4-5 over his last 9 fights so.that shows me thats when he started his decline.

Thiago alves was never great. He had great leg kicks but look who he beat to get to the title shot....close to 40 hughes and koscheck. Two guys that everyone else was beating at that time as well. Then look what happened to alves, he showed himself to be a .500 fighter over the course of his career. Dude had some terrible injuries Ill give him a major pass there, but still thiago alves best win aside from Hughes and kos was Lytle.

Forget about my personal opinions of close to 40 Hughes and Kos, the other names on alves win list are as follows:
declining karo
John Howard
papy abedi
seth baczynski which was a robbery seth 100% won this fight
Jordan Mein whom was beating the ever shit out of thiago before jordan gave up and literally retired mid fight. Props to alves, he proved he was very tough there.
Patrick Cote


this is basically thiago alves career HL's. Its just not a championship level resume.

 

[dmwalking]

GSP thought he was a solid striker, he also thought Matt Serra was a big can and decided he will play around for a round, to test his striking skills. He didn't go for a single take down, he thought this fight is too easy and a good opportunity to test his striking skills, maybe get a nice KO highlight.



He never fought on his feet again. This was the last time he played the striker. In the rematch he would take Serra down in the first 2 seconds and repeatedly take him down when Serra stood up.
This was the fight that turned GSP into the ufc wrestling control freak and according to many the most boring ufc champ to this day with 0 finishes.

Your memory isn’t very good. He beat koscheck with a jab. And he owned a ton of fighters on the feet before mixing in takedowns. He also used standup to win the middleweight title against Bisping. It was the left hook that led to the finish:


Major fail thread. Delete your account.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Any fighter with a background in stand up, GSP would take to the ground, he was a very strategic fighter that would always attack the weakest part of his opponents game. I don't knock him for it, he had a very good fight IQ after the Serra first fight and left his EGO at the door of the cage.

And in fact I'd say that part of greatness is using strategy properly. Its true in war (its why Napolean was considered great), its true in combat sport (Ali's rope-a-dope for instance is taken as a sign of his greatness, of using his brains instead of standing in front of Foreman and trying to outslug him).

 

[liverkick83]

Going toe to toe with Bisping even past his prime is a good enough striking for me

He also throughly outstruck Diaz

 

[bjpenngoat]

why is going toe to toe with 40 year old one eyed bisping considered some all time great accomplishment? Bisping was a very good volume fighter in his prime, perrenial top 5ish who imo was easy to root for and became a peoples champ if you will but in no way was he ever considered a dangerous striker.

 

[Perrichet]

why is going toe to toe with 40 year old one eyed bisping considered some all time great accomplishment? Bisping was a very good volume fighter in his prime, perrenial top 5ish who imo was easy to root for and became a peoples champ if you will but in no way was he ever considered a dangerous striker.

One eyed 40 year old Bisping rocked and dropped Anderson(and ended up beating him.) What does that say?

 

[gono btw]

As for Penn, If you wanna push his legacy of fighting at multiple weight BS ( cause that's really all he has after the embarrassment his career has become) then you need to accept he was a former WW champ,

meh, moot point. This is definitely not the proper way to assess his legacy. The fact that he fought @ OW enhances his legacy, not his opponents´.

 

[ThunderStruck]

I cant argue with a lot of what you wrote other than hughes went 4-5 over his last 9 fights so.that shows me thats when he started his decline.

Thiago alves was never great. He had great leg kicks but look who he beat to get to the title shot....close to 40 hughes and koscheck. Two guys that everyone else was beating at that time as well. Then look what happened to alves, he showed himself to be a .500 fighter over the course of his career. Dude had some terrible injuries Ill give him a major pass there, but still thiago alves best win aside from Hughes and kos was Lytle.

Forget about my personal opinions of close to 40 Hughes and Kos, the other names on alves win list are as follows:
declining karo
John Howard
papy abedi
seth baczynski which was a robbery seth 100% won this fight
Jordan Mein whom was beating the ever shit out of thiago before jordan gave up and literally retired mid fight. Props to alves, he proved he was very tough there.
Patrick Cote


this is basically thiago alves career HL's. Its just not a championship level resume.

Of course suffering 2x kos in one fight will start your decline.

 

[ThunderStruck]

why is going toe to toe with 40 year old one eyed bisping considered some all time great accomplishment? Bisping was a very good volume fighter in his prime, perrenial top 5ish who imo was easy to root for and became a peoples champ if you will but in no way was he ever considered a dangerous striker.

38 years old. Why do you keep lying about ages. 33 years old Hughes = 40 years old. 38 years old Bisping = 40 years old. you know your argument is shit when you have to spew lies to put it accross.

 

[Hirashin]

Silva tapped to a flying sub against a FW sized fighter.

Why bring up Silva to this conversation?

what about the fight where he beat the shit out of prime BJ Penn so badly that BJ quit on the stool and called for his mommy to come help him? Imagine getting your ass kicked and then having your fucking mom come and defend you at a hearing

GSP greased. SHould have been DQd

 

[Diggar]

... when he finally beat him those wins do not count towards gsp as much as that first loss counts against him because both Matt and Gsp were both in their primes. When he finally beat Hughes, Matt was way past prime and clsoing in on 40.

When GSP beat Hughes, Hughes was 32 (only 2 years after their first fight) and on 6 fight win streak....hardly closing in on 40 or out of his prime

 

[Hirashin]

When GSP beat Hughes, Hughes was 32 (only 2 years after their first fight) and on 6 fight win streak....hardly closing in on 40 or out of his prime

what about their first fight though?

 

[GrayArea]

One eyed 40 year old Bisping rocked and dropped Anderson(and ended up beating him.) What does that say?

It says that Anderson was 42 years old, had his leg snapped in half 2 years prior, and was also nearly 4 years removed from being champion. Has ZERO relevance to gsp ducking Silva during their concurrent title reign/prime.

Let’s see what gsp looks like competing in his 40’s.... although I doubt we’ll know since he quit in his prime after Hendricks beat him up at age 32.

 

[ThunderStruck]

It says that Anderson was 42 years old, had his leg snapped in half 2 years prior, and was also nearly 4 years removed from being champion. Has ZERO relevance to gsp ducking Silva during their concurrent title reign/prime.

Let’s see what gsp looks like competing in his 40’s.... although I doubt we’ll know since he quit in his prime after Hendricks beat him up at age 32.

Thats not fair because GSP didn't juice like Silva to extend his career by 10 years.

 

[bjpenngoat]

Thats not fair because GSP didn't juice like Silva to extend his career by 10 years.

Well to be fair, anderson with or without peds is taking very risky fights against all time greats like dc and against no name guys with huge power like canonier. Hes not waiting for a weak.champion to jump.back in.

anderson silva and fedor posses Infinite more bushido spirit than gsp and along with bones, have much better strength of schedule and obviously way more finishes.

I just dont see an objecticve way to place gsp over the true goats of the sport.

 

[GrayArea]

Thats not fair because GSP didn't juice like Silva to extend his career by 10 years.

Silva didn’t have the luxury of taking 4 years off without drug testing.

 

[Jet40]

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Guys remember that georges lost two rounds on the feet to jake sheilds. Let that sink in.

Jake Shields humiliated Dan Henderson the final 4 rounds of a 5 round fight. Let that sink in.

 

[Perrichet]

It says that Anderson was 42 years old, had his leg snapped in half 2 years prior, and was also nearly 4 years removed from being champion. Has ZERO relevance to gsp ducking Silva during their concurrent title reign/prime.

Let’s see what gsp looks like competing in his 40’s.... although I doubt we’ll know since he quit in his prime after Hendricks beat him up at age 32.

Don’t forget Anderson roids and he still couldn’t do what GSP did.

Despite all of this, GSP, a WW who was retired for 4 years way past his prime with 2 ACL injuries did what Anderson couldn’t. How embarrassing.

Oh yeah, when did Burns beat Pettis?

 

[Perrichet]

Thats not fair because GSP didn't juice like Silva to extend his career by 10 years.

Exactly. Anderson nuthuggers love to mention age but forget he roids