Early rap (80s/90s) was actually tolerable. It hasn't been tolerable for close to 2 decades now.
You're welcome to your opinion. I'd suggest demonstrating an understudying of my position first. I'll rephrase. Regardless of who is credited with the "first" Rock song, my point is that it evolved (and continues to) from multicultural influence. After all, the sound didn't originate in Africa. It just popped out of nowhere because blacks in the South weren't exposed to whitey's music?
If it moves this along I'm happy to concede the lion's share to the brothers.
white and native musicians did too.Black musicians pioneered rock n roll.
It’s not an opinion that black Americans created rock & roll. It’s simply fact. How does one not know this?
Nirvana just copied the pixies.
You ever give the Trip Hop genre a chance? It came out around the same time Gangsta rap did. I felt while NWA was dumbing down the genre Trip hop was taking it to loftier levels with its constant experimentation and blending of other genres into a hip hop base.
Incorrect.
The mainstream rap/hip hop scene may be intolerable, but there are, and have been, countless lesser known rappers worth your time.
It's one of the greater travesties of late twentieth/early twenty first century pop culture that so much great hip hop got buried under so much trash. At its best, the combination of poetry and beats that great hip hop delivers is amazing.
First post is completely on point.
Also ripped off the killing Joke note for note.
I'd be willing to give it a listen.
You're welcome to your opinion. I'd suggest demonstrating an understudying of my position first. I'll rephrase. Regardless of who is credited with the "first" Rock song, my point is that it evolved (and continues to) from multicultural influence. After all, the sound didn't originate in Africa. It just popped out of nowhere because blacks in the South weren't exposed to whitey's music?
If it moves this along I'm happy to concede the lion's share to the brothers.
Give credit where credit is due.
No literally. The first rock songs were by black musicians. The entire genre spawned from the blues. Then guys like Elvis Presley came in and made it popular for white people. Did you know all of Elvis's hits were covers of blues songs?
It was DEFINITELY a corporate push. Big record companies 100% said what was played on the radio at all times. Absolutely GREAT alt rock goes back to the 70s. It wasn't invented by Nirvana or mysteriously come about during the early 90s.Seems like a corporate push to me, did Nirvana really make Alt. Rock too? There were a bunch of groups out in the UK that were experimenting with unconventional sounds.
PE>NWA
A black American band could both have recorded the first R&R song and been influenced by the music they heard from white people, right
Right. And aliens could have built the pyramids. But what could have happened shouldn’t be substituted for what we know happened in order to distort history to our liking.
All hip-hop didn't sound alike in 1988 and Will Smith had SEVERAL hardcore rap songs that your mother wouldn't have let you play in the house. They just didn't get released nationally. If you knew people who were into mixtapes, before mixtapes were really a thing, you could get someone to mail you a dirty engineered tape from the east coast with Will saying all kinda shit.I just realized something I never thought about before. I was in my Will Smith thread saying the song I posted was released in 1988. And if you're old enough you'll remember almost all rap songs back in 1988 had a very similar style to what Fresh Prince and Jazzy Jeff had. And they were mostly east coast guys on the radio back then. But then NWA released Straight Outta Compton that same year 1988, and transformed rap forever.
After NWA came out, nobody wanted to hear corny, positive hip hop. We wanted to hear about that thug life. So rap became darker and harder. Edgier. More gritty and realistic. The WHOLE rap genre had to adapt or die off. Even MC Hammer released Pumps In The Bump trying to adapt to the new style (didn't work. Still was a decent song though.).
OK, so now look at the rock genre. There's no argument that after Nirvana came out with the Nevermind album, the entire rock genre was changed forever. And I mean transformed completely. Remember we went from 80's hair metal like Van Halen and positive rock like Eddie Money or Bon Jovi......we went from THAT....to depressing lyrics, screaming, guitar distortion, more realism, a harder sound, and much more edge.
ok check this out:
Nirvana came out in 89 with the Bleach album. But Nevermind put them in the entire countries ear. Nevermind was released in 1991.
So how crazy of a coincidence is it that NWA came out with some hard shit, Straight Outta Compton, that didn't sound like ANYTHING anybody had ever heard before, and transformed their genre........at almost the exact same time Nirvana came out with some hard shit, Smells Like Teen Spirit, that didn't sound like ANYTHING anybody had ever heard before....and transformed THEIR genre too?!
NWA came out in 1988 but I don't think they blew up nationwide until around 1990...maybe late 89. Nirvana came out in 1988 but blew up when Teen Spirit started airing, which was 1991.
Both these bands came out and made almost everybody else in their genre obsolete. And with both bands the transformation of their ENTIRE genre was complete by 1994.
By 1994 in RAP - you didn't hear styles like Fresh Prince, LL Cool J, Run DMC....those styles were DONE. By 94 you heard Dr. Dre, Snoop, Tupac, Biggie, Warren G, Bone thugs, etc.
By 1994 in ROCK - you didn't hear styles like Eddie Money, Van Halen or Bon Jovi. No you heard Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, etc.
Another similarity is that Nirvana created two new subgenres of music....grunge and alternative rock. And that in turn created 2 new SUBCULTURES OF PEOPLE, and social trends, fashion, attitudes.
NWA created a new subgenre of hip hop, Ganster Rap. Which in turn created a new subculture of people, social trends, fashion, and attitudes. Both subcultures wore a lot of flannel shirts too, and baggy pants, and beanies. It was weird.
I have no point here, lol. I just find it interesting and a little weird that both rap and rock changed in almost the exact same ways, starting at nearly the same time, and both being completed by 1994. There are a LOT of similarities there that I never noticed. So what's up with that? Why did that happen with both genres and why did it happen with both genres at the same time? And it goes deeper than the music genres changing. If you remember, those changes in rap and in rock changed our entire culture! Or at least the subcultures of rap fans and rock fans. Black people started dressing in flannel, big baggy pants, beanies, dew rags, etc. And rock fans started dressing in flannel (another similarity!) shirts, fairly baggy pants, beanies, skate shoes, etc.
This is good to hear.Everyone bemoans the decline of gangsta and hardcore rap but the explanation for it is pretty clear: The hood got safer. Way safer
Shootings and violence still happen, of course, but when they're about 1/3 of what they used to be, it's hard to come up with the material.
The early 90s were rough. A dude in my middle school got killed because he flashed a gang sign to some dudes outside a movie theater. And I went to school in the suburbs. The guy was probably one of the few legit thugs and he got shot and killed.