Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Rygu, Feb 8, 2019.
[ IMG ]. But without the spaces. And there is a square around it as well
It's a GIF of Trump *allegedly*(which was debunked) mocking a reporter with a disability.
You didn't miss much.
He wasn't mocking anyone, it's just his mannerisms that he'd done many times before. Also in the interviews with the reporter he supposedly mocked his falidamide arm was never shown.
Lol. Is that you AOC?
Actually, I'm your daddy Trump.
Trump for the MFing win.
'I had some beautiful pictures taken in which I had a big smile on my face. I looked happy, I looked content, I looked like a very nice person, which in theory I am.'
'The beauty of me is that I’m very rich.'
(On the Duchess of Cambridge) 'Who wouldn’t take Kate’s picture and make lots of money if she does the nude sunbathing thing. Come on, Kate!'
'I think I am actually humble. I think I’m much more humble than you would understand.'
'I’m intelligent. Some people would say I’m very, very, very intelligent.”
“I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke.'
'Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest – and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.'
'Being nice to Rocket Man hasn't worked in 25 years, why would it work now? Clinton failed, Bush failed, and Obama failed. I won't fail.’ (Kim Jong-un came to power in 2011).
'My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars.'
'While Bette Midler is an extremely unattractive woman, I refuse to say that because I always insist on being politically correct.'
(On exporting goods to China) 'Listen, you m-----f------, we're going to tax you 25 per cent!'
(To Cher) 'I don’t wear a 'rug'— it’s mine. And I promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn’t work.'
'I think Viagra is wonderful if you need it, if you have medical issues, if you’ve had surgery. I’ve just never needed it. Frankly, I wouldn’t mind if there were an anti-Viagra, something with the opposite effect. I’m not bragging. I’m just lucky. I don’t need it. I’ve always said, "If you need Viagra, you’re probably with the wrong girl."'
(On Puerto Rico) 'This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water.'
'People love me. And you know what? I've been very successful. Everybody loves me.'
Are you saying that I’m Donald Trump and you’re Fred Trump? You’re not being very clear. Be better.
If you think about it I'm sure you can spot the mistakes in the article, and the holes in the logic. Socialism, communism, marxism and leninism are distinct concepts. In the same way that libertarianism, conservatism, capitalism and coorporatism are.
Leaders like Putin and Assad are not socialists, nor marxists. Both Russia and Syria has a market driven economy. Putin is much closer to a religious orthodox conservative, besides being the leading oligarch. Karl Marx, the founder of marxism had some very harsh words for religion, "Religion is the opium of the masses" he famously said.
What the article is largely describing would be totalitarianism, authoritarianism and dictatorships, which can be far-right like fascism or far-left like authoritarian communism.
I believe that the biggest mistake is saying that AOC supports regimes like Russia, North Korea, Syria and the rest mentioned. I'm sure if you thought about it you'd have a good answer for whether or not she supports those regimes and the truth to that claim.
Bernie Sanders is not anti capitalist. He believes in a market economy, in fact he mentions the Scandinavian model as the goal model. Us here in Scandinavia are not socialist, nor is Bernie Sanders a socialist. We are what you'd call a Social Democracy, which really means that we're a market economy who invests in education, social safety and healthcare for the people. We are actually one of the most business friendly countries in the world with a lot of economic freedom and strong economic sector. We don't have the same inequality that the US has, because we have a very strong middle class and very little poor.
Bernie Sanders is running on money out of politics, green new deal, medicare for all, tax increase for the rich, breaking up the banks, getting lobbyism and coorperatism out of government, raising the minimum wage, removing for profit prisons, ending the wars, ending the drug war and tuition free college. I think all those policies are great, we do almost all of them here. More importantly, polling shows that the majority of Americans agree with his policies as well.
Technically around $5mil, but still a big hunk of change.
That's a state and local tax issue. Perhaps she should have run for state office.
Are you trying to counter his claim of Peurto Rico being surrounded by big water, ocean water?!
Ocasio-Cortez very much shares the ideology and adherence to collective decision making. More to the point, she is also a kindred spirit of Maduro and Guaido. They all believe in the great myth that a few can direct the many into a land of peace and prosperity.
Nothing in socialist doctrine argues for the abuse of power, from Thomas More, to Karl Marx, to Chavez, to Ocasio-Cortez. Historically, however, it has been the case that socialist countries often end up violently suppressing their citizens. We see that happening in real time right now in Venezuela.
"capitalism will not always exist."
She is trying to repackage as something fresh and new and fashionable. It'll work this time!
The original contention was the incongruity of his attacks on wealth and the optics of his own wealth. This was answered more than adequately with the link I provided.
The following is a long winded diatribe, splitting hairs on "what Bernie Sanders" is, it would still be incongruous if Bernie Sanders called himself a capitalist and attacked wealth like he did. The socialism is just the cherry on top.
There is no way we cannot apply the socialism moniker to Bernie. He calls himself that, the article concludes they can call him that.
Trump always had a high opinion of himself. This is nothing new or groundbreaking.
Creepy thing to say, I admit.
Every ELITE out there that includes CEOs, Top Business Men(and Women), and others who make more in a year than we make in 20, say they're "humble", too. #IDon'tBuyIt
He's right that he's intelligent. He wouldn't be where he's at right now if he wasn't.
To make this statement true, he should've added "unless there was no more Regular Coke available" 'cause I've had to make do with Diet Coke when the vending machine ran out.
His troll game is on-point as usual.
And he hasn't. I don't see any Rockets being launched by North Korea. Do you?
He should've said "being nice to Rocket Man's Father and Rocket Man hasn't worked in 25 years", though.
*shrugs* That is basically correct. And he took that money and ultimately parlayed it into becoming a Financial Giant.
See "troll game" statement above.
GOOD. Fuck China!
Words of Wisdom from someone who is married to Melania.
Yeah. THAT was cringe-city.
He may be right.
She so adorably meme friendly. Those gums. Everyone like her for different reasons, even if they say they don't.
Those twitter birds tho. It's like something out of Ghostbusters.
IS THIS FOr real? 10 million dollars from lefty Netflix who gave obama a gift show for a payday?
ID view this as another form of corruption. And it happened so quickly.
Sure she has an affinity for collective decision making, that's what democracy is.
I'd like to stick to the point you made initially. That AOC supports Putin, Assad, Kim-Jung Un, Maduro, Xi Jinping and more, and that they are her favorite commies/socialists. Do you have any evidence to suggest that is true? I can't find any. Do you think I will be able to find the sitting government praising at least 3 out of those 5 leaders listed?
I think the main confusion we are having is what you define socialist as. The politifact article did say that they would refer to him as an independant, socialist and a democratic socialist, but that is because they use socialist and democratic socialist interchangeably. From the article itself, it explains:
"Rather than Soviet-style governing, they think of and admire Nordic models of living.
These policies include "strong labor rights, progressive taxation, a robust array of public goods like child care, health care, and higher education," all advocated by Sanders, said Schwartz. With these positions, Sanders is technically a social democrat — he isn’t calling for a red revolution, just "a way of making capitalism humane," according to Peter Dreier, a leftist political theorist at Occidental College. So he’s not really a socialist, at least by the strict definition of the word.
"In what sense is (Sanders) a socialist? Basically he’s for more entitlements for the middle class. …That’s not the classical 19th century Marxist understanding or even the 20th century one. But maybe this is what socialism means today," said David Azerrad, who studies American political traditions at the conservative Heritage Foundation. "It’s a pale counterfeit, a considerably diluted form than the original."
Here is what Sanders said all the way back in 1981:
“I’ve stayed away from calling myself a socialist,” Sanders said in the Boston Globe in the aftermath of his win in ‘81, “because I did not want to spend half my life explaining that I did not believe in the Soviet Union or in concentration camps.”
Two months later, in the Boston Phoenix, he said he didn’t want to be “a spokesman for socialism.”
He already wrote in 1997 in the book, Outsider in the House that;
“Bill Clinton is a moderate Democrat. I’m a democratic socialist.”
And from 2006 he was already making it very clear what examples he'd like the US to follow:
"In an interview with the Guardian in November 2006: “Twenty years ago, when people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union, about Albania. Now they think about Scandinavia. In Vermont people understand I’m talking about democratic socialism.”
"In an interview with Democracy Now in November 2006: “In terms of socialism, I think there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia and from some of the work, very good work that people have done in Europe. In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have health care as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. I have been very aggressive in trying to move to sustainable energy. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts. I think there is a lot to be learned from countries that have created more egalitarian societies than has the United States of America.”
So Bernie Sanders is a socialist, if that means a socialist is someone who believes in a strong middle class, healthcare for all, the rich paying their fair share, education for the people AND a market economy. That is Scandinavia, and that is what he promotes.
heya there Sano,
that's a good post.
let me ask you a question; do you see any real, substantive differences between Mr. Sanders and Ms. Ocasio-Cortez on a policy level?
i am asking, because i really don't see it.
yet the support for Mr. Sanders on this forum was prolific, and i find that this has not been the case for the young congresswoman from New York.
why do you think that is?
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