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No, I am not talking about kicking above waist American style Chuck Norris's kickboxing.
I am talking about the birth of the word "kickboxing" and its origin.
Seeing how people cite the same wiki source plus rumours again and
again, I decided to write about origins of kickboxing in detail.
I will try my base to cite the sources, sadly it is mostly going to be Thai and
Japanese, so you are probably not going to understand it, please use google translate.
So...here we goes.
Osamu Noguchi...when you google his name and read wiki, you will think that he is some
martial art enthusiasts who seek to combine martial arts around the world and started
the term "kickboxing"...no...no he's not that "GOOD" of a man.
Let's start with the story that every one has already heard about, Osamu Noguchi
took 3 karate fighters from Oyama Dojo to Thailand, they came to Thailand and won 2-1 against muay thai fighters on February 12,1963.
The little know fact though is that this is a can crushing event live from Bangkok.
The only fighter who is not can (I am going to use the term can, because virtually
no one knows who the hell these two guys came from, they only exist in history
for this can crushing purpose) is Rawee Dechachai who came from years of retirement. Rawee beat Kenji Kurosaki, whom Karate side claimed that he was
a replacement...fine, but with the weight difference I guess we are even.
It's revealed after the fight that the Chinese boxer who fought Nakamura didn't train
and was coming out of 3 years retirement. And a rumor that Hao Fai threw a fight
to get money and chance for a rematch in Japan.
(Ignore the origins of these two boxers if you want, but please stop claiming they are former Thai champions)
This event is a huge blow to already little known art of muay thai, Osamu established
claim that kickboxing is a superior art. (This event was promoted as "ศึกคิกบ็อกซิ่ง" or "The battle of Kickboxing" in Thailand,this helps promote both Oyama style karate and Kickboxing)
Of course after that Noguchi promoted the crap out of kickboxing, claiming thins like
it is the origin of muay thai, and is clearly superior art. When you look at footage
of kickboxing fights at this time, you will understand that it is basically muay thai
with with pants or gi well it depends...It has Wai Kru, the only differences are that it allows butting and judo throws.
(Please know that the there is a very thin line between kickboxing and Kyokushin
karate kickboxer at this point, Kickboxers from Noguchi camps will fight like Thai boxers
with Wai Kru, but claim that they train kickboxing not muay thai)
He then formed kickboxing sanctioning body in 1966, and the event was held
across Japan since April 11, 1966.
The great can crushing them began, Noguchi would bring cans from Thailand to Japan
to get crushed and repeat again and again.
The biggest star at that time though is Tadashi Sawamura who made his fame in both Japan
and America (if I am not mistaken) a man with solid resume I would say.
But amazingly, this pissed off so many Thai promoters and fighters that Thai fighters
finally started to go and fight abroad especially in Japan. This is why we get many
footage of prime Thai fighters fighting abroad.
Arguably most famous fight in Japan is this fight, to be honest to this day I still
have no idea who this Thai is, "yeah, his name is Samarn, but what gym he came
from? Is he a champ in Thailand?" I have no idea"
Well he totally crushed legendary Tadashi Sawamura, (I don't understand why
he chose to wear gi in this fight, normally he wears pants or Thai shorts)
The fight happened on June 21, 1966. .
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And the tension finally reached it maximum level.
Let me tell you the story of "Noguchi gym incident" or "Kickboxing incident"
1972, Bangkok Thailand.
Here is the story, after Mr. Osamu has copied muay thai, and established kickboxing
in Japan. (which will finally became the equivalent of muay thai just with different
name in Japan) he opened his "kickboxing gym" in Bangkok, Thailand called "Noguchi gym"
It's a gym inside big department store near Daimaru at Rajadamri.
Trust me, it exists, I am not bullshitting you dude.
Here is the problem, it is a muay thai gym, but he called it "kickboxing" gym,
the term he created himself, this caused the large protest at that time.
But Noguchi didn't give a damn, he is a business man, a smart one. He used the gym
to demonstrate his art to Japanese tourists who came to watch muay thai,
claiming that his kickboxing is so good that he had to open the gym in Thailand,
and that muay thai is inferior art, citing the victories of kickboxers against Thai boxers
in mainland Japan.
Of course, the incident escalated quickly, leading to the boycott of Japan products,
with a few threats to bomb the gym. And a few rounds of bullets shot.
October 16th 1972. To settle this bullshit once and for all, Osamu Noguchi brought
kickboxers to Thailand for the final showdown, while the Thai side was lead by
legendary Kru Yodthong. It's 7 vs 7 battle.
Well, the muay thai side was victorious.
Here is a footage with commentator confirmed that Before this fight Muay thai already won two battles, and that it's 7 vs 7 battle.
This is an article from blackbelt magazine in September, 1972 issue. From page 59 on
wards, there are quite a few match up at that time, so the video of Dieselnoi
fighting below is either from this match or another match up.
The result is muay thai win 5-1, the Japanese victory is by disqualification.
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=N9cDAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=blackbelt+1972&hl=th&sa=X&ei=NGp4UoLtMMyQkwXm-4DwCA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
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After the fight, Kru Yodthong walked to Mr. Noguchi and punched him in the face.
Thai prime minister finally decided to say fxxx this shit, and order mr. Noguchi to leave Thailand and never return again.
Japan government also orders Mr. Noguchi to never cause any more notoriety to
Japan, and stop all activities regarding kickboxing and muay thai.
sources for this part: It cites major newspaper at that time.
http://www.mekong.ne.jp/directory/society/noguchigym.htm
ps this is the story of origin of term kickboxing, please do not confuse American kickboxing or Dutch fighters
who say they are kickboxers with this one.
The term kickboxing basically means muay thai in Japan, they fight in full Thai rule, some even do wai kru.
It has been like that since the end of Noguchi incident.
The Japanese only started to confuse the term kickboxer as "muay thai", and kickboxer as "Dutch kickboxers"
after the birth of K1.
edit: reducing the level of being a muay thai elitist by 1%
I am talking about the birth of the word "kickboxing" and its origin.
Seeing how people cite the same wiki source plus rumours again and
again, I decided to write about origins of kickboxing in detail.
I will try my base to cite the sources, sadly it is mostly going to be Thai and
Japanese, so you are probably not going to understand it, please use google translate.
So...here we goes.
Osamu Noguchi...when you google his name and read wiki, you will think that he is some
martial art enthusiasts who seek to combine martial arts around the world and started
the term "kickboxing"...no...no he's not that "GOOD" of a man.
Let's start with the story that every one has already heard about, Osamu Noguchi
took 3 karate fighters from Oyama Dojo to Thailand, they came to Thailand and won 2-1 against muay thai fighters on February 12,1963.
The little know fact though is that this is a can crushing event live from Bangkok.
The only fighter who is not can (I am going to use the term can, because virtually
no one knows who the hell these two guys came from, they only exist in history
for this can crushing purpose) is Rawee Dechachai who came from years of retirement. Rawee beat Kenji Kurosaki, whom Karate side claimed that he was
a replacement...fine, but with the weight difference I guess we are even.
It's revealed after the fight that the Chinese boxer who fought Nakamura didn't train
and was coming out of 3 years retirement. And a rumor that Hao Fai threw a fight
to get money and chance for a rematch in Japan.
(Ignore the origins of these two boxers if you want, but please stop claiming they are former Thai champions)
This event is a huge blow to already little known art of muay thai, Osamu established
claim that kickboxing is a superior art. (This event was promoted as "ศึกคิกบ็อกซิ่ง" or "The battle of Kickboxing" in Thailand,this helps promote both Oyama style karate and Kickboxing)
Of course after that Noguchi promoted the crap out of kickboxing, claiming thins like
it is the origin of muay thai, and is clearly superior art. When you look at footage
of kickboxing fights at this time, you will understand that it is basically muay thai
with with pants or gi well it depends...It has Wai Kru, the only differences are that it allows butting and judo throws.
(Please know that the there is a very thin line between kickboxing and Kyokushin
karate kickboxer at this point, Kickboxers from Noguchi camps will fight like Thai boxers
with Wai Kru, but claim that they train kickboxing not muay thai)
He then formed kickboxing sanctioning body in 1966, and the event was held
across Japan since April 11, 1966.
The great can crushing them began, Noguchi would bring cans from Thailand to Japan
to get crushed and repeat again and again.
The biggest star at that time though is Tadashi Sawamura who made his fame in both Japan
and America (if I am not mistaken) a man with solid resume I would say.
But amazingly, this pissed off so many Thai promoters and fighters that Thai fighters
finally started to go and fight abroad especially in Japan. This is why we get many
footage of prime Thai fighters fighting abroad.
Arguably most famous fight in Japan is this fight, to be honest to this day I still
have no idea who this Thai is, "yeah, his name is Samarn, but what gym he came
from? Is he a champ in Thailand?" I have no idea"
Well he totally crushed legendary Tadashi Sawamura, (I don't understand why
he chose to wear gi in this fight, normally he wears pants or Thai shorts)
The fight happened on June 21, 1966. .
[YT]px1Ivctja4w[/YT]
And the tension finally reached it maximum level.
Let me tell you the story of "Noguchi gym incident" or "Kickboxing incident"
1972, Bangkok Thailand.
Here is the story, after Mr. Osamu has copied muay thai, and established kickboxing
in Japan. (which will finally became the equivalent of muay thai just with different
name in Japan) he opened his "kickboxing gym" in Bangkok, Thailand called "Noguchi gym"
It's a gym inside big department store near Daimaru at Rajadamri.
Trust me, it exists, I am not bullshitting you dude.
Here is the problem, it is a muay thai gym, but he called it "kickboxing" gym,
the term he created himself, this caused the large protest at that time.
But Noguchi didn't give a damn, he is a business man, a smart one. He used the gym
to demonstrate his art to Japanese tourists who came to watch muay thai,
claiming that his kickboxing is so good that he had to open the gym in Thailand,
and that muay thai is inferior art, citing the victories of kickboxers against Thai boxers
in mainland Japan.
Of course, the incident escalated quickly, leading to the boycott of Japan products,
with a few threats to bomb the gym. And a few rounds of bullets shot.
October 16th 1972. To settle this bullshit once and for all, Osamu Noguchi brought
kickboxers to Thailand for the final showdown, while the Thai side was lead by
legendary Kru Yodthong. It's 7 vs 7 battle.
Well, the muay thai side was victorious.
Here is a footage with commentator confirmed that Before this fight Muay thai already won two battles, and that it's 7 vs 7 battle.
This is an article from blackbelt magazine in September, 1972 issue. From page 59 on
wards, there are quite a few match up at that time, so the video of Dieselnoi
fighting below is either from this match or another match up.
The result is muay thai win 5-1, the Japanese victory is by disqualification.
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=N9cDAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=blackbelt+1972&hl=th&sa=X&ei=NGp4UoLtMMyQkwXm-4DwCA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
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After the fight, Kru Yodthong walked to Mr. Noguchi and punched him in the face.
Thai prime minister finally decided to say fxxx this shit, and order mr. Noguchi to leave Thailand and never return again.
Japan government also orders Mr. Noguchi to never cause any more notoriety to
Japan, and stop all activities regarding kickboxing and muay thai.
sources for this part: It cites major newspaper at that time.
http://www.mekong.ne.jp/directory/society/noguchigym.htm
ps this is the story of origin of term kickboxing, please do not confuse American kickboxing or Dutch fighters
who say they are kickboxers with this one.
The term kickboxing basically means muay thai in Japan, they fight in full Thai rule, some even do wai kru.
It has been like that since the end of Noguchi incident.
The Japanese only started to confuse the term kickboxer as "muay thai", and kickboxer as "Dutch kickboxers"
after the birth of K1.
edit: reducing the level of being a muay thai elitist by 1%
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