The birth of "kickboxing" and its rivalries and controversies with muay thai

Discussion in 'Muay Thai and Kickboxing' started by ichibang, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. Cocakillbana

    Cocakillbana Black Belt

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    You're a top 10 poster in 2 sections!
     
  2. Pem123

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    True almost all martial art have its roots. so does Kickboxing and Muay Thai
     
  3. Jukai

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    Are your arms getting tired from moving the goal post?

    The point of my original post was that you showed a video of Sawamura before he began training in Japanese kickboxing. You responded saying that I was wrong about where the fight took place, and although I've asked you to present me with another source besides the caption of the video, I will trust you and say I was wrong but my point still stands that Sawamura was not studying kickboxing at the time.
    Now you're trying to argue with my point that Sawamura was a college-level Karate. Fine, I'll try to find a better source, but for fucks sake:
    What does that say? Please, translate that for me, because that right there contains Sawamura's karate experience.

    Still, this is besides the original point: Sawamura had not trained in Japanese kickboxing in the clip you showed.

    I really don't know how else to explain this to you. Put this post through google translator or something, I don't know.
     
  4. Cocakillbana

    Cocakillbana Black Belt

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    Why is Sawamura such a big topic here?

    Like I said before, he was a fraud. Master of the scripted knockout.
     
  5. Snubnoze707

    Snubnoze707 High Level

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    Kickboxing forum back in its glory days. Kickboxing vs Muay Thai in full swing...
     
  6. Jukai

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    I guess nothing, I do agree that his record is pretty much riddled with sketchy bullshit victories.

    Just, Ichibang made a thread trying to prove that Japanese Kickboxing is a carbon copy of Muay Thai using the "history of the sport" and really showed Noguchi opening a Japanese kickboxing school in Thailand but hiring Thai boxers to teach it (the place closed in less than two weeks) and then showed a bunch of clips of Japanese kickboxers losing to Muay Thai specialists.

    I just found the part of Sawamura particularly erroneous, because that clip was before he even began training in Japanese Kickboxing and was just a college-level Karate fighter in some Karate vs Muay Thai tournament.
     
  7. Harukaze

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    沢村:法政一高、日大へと進学した私は、子供の頃からストリートファイトを含め、一度 も負けたことはありません。日大3年で全日本学生チャンピオンになり、空手の世界では 無敗でした。
    "Sawamura: [At the time] I entered Nihon University in law/politics, from the time I was a child I understood [lit translation, he's using it as a euphemism for saying that he "owned" in] street fights, and I did not lose even a single one. In my third year at Nihon University, I became the All Japan Students' Champion, and I was undefeated in the world of karate."

    I'm fluent in Japanese, but not a native speaker. This is my translation for what Sawamura said in Jukai's post.
     
  8. Lan Jiao

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    Well thanks Thais i guess for save Japan economy, so we can enjoy some tentacles now
     
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    Much thanks, Harukaze.
     
  10. SippycupPIMP

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    Interesting thread; I had to pause my porno just to read this without any distractions.
     
  11. Harukaze

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    You're very welcome. I'd be happy to translate anything else in Japanese for anyone here if needed.
     
  12. manlyseaeagle

    manlyseaeagle Blue Belt

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    Thai Boxing and Japanese Kickboxing are the same but Dutch style is not and American Kickboxing has got nothing to do with it like Bill Wallace.
    No wonder any form of Kickboxing has not taken off like Boxing or MMA.
     
  13. ildottore

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    Sorry to resurrect a five year old thread, but as a white belt, I can't post my own. And none of the active threads seemed suitable.

    Does anyone have any more information on a Thai trainer/fighter named Naront Siri? I stumbled upon his name on Siam Fight Mag's page on Toshio Fujiwara. It states that Kenji Kurosaki brought Naront Siri to Japan to develop kickboxing. A quick Google search only turned up foreign language posts that tell essentially the same story. I'd always thought that early Japanese kickboxing seemed too similar to muay thai than simply karateka fighting under similar rules. This Naront Siri guy might be the missing link.
     
  14. Monte Moku

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    Only things I know about him is that he runs Rompo Gym and goes by Mr. Pek now. He is said to be a golden age Lumpinee champion, although I cannot verify that. He's trainied Magomed Magomedov and Damien Trainor off the top of my head. I know he still trains people now, but unfortunately I do not know how he was involved with early Kickboxing in Japan so much.

    Vice did a nice writeup about his gym here and the gym's website is here. Hope I was able to help some!
     
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    Thanks. I actually came across that Vice article in my aforementioned Google search. Some of the foreign-language articles purport a slightly different story that it was Naront Siri's son Pek that went over to Japan.
     
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    Thank you Ichibang!
     
  17. Arashikage4Life

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    My former instructor trains with Pek when he goes to Thailand. He's been going there for more than twenty years and all I've heard are good things from him about Pek.
     
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    Harukaze was such a good poster. :(
     
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    Yeah, we’ve had a few regulars that have gone awol the last couple years.
     
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