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Movies THE BATMAN (Dragonlord's Review)
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I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion. But it seems to me the Riddler was the real hero.
Regardless, I enjoyed the movie. Compared to Nolan and Burton's movies, this was imo the best version of Gotham. Nolan's was more Metropolis than Gotham. Burton's Gotham feels like a small town out of the Adam's Family. Burton's Catwoman and Penguin remains more iconic though. I liked how they tried to incorporate investigative elements, even though it could've been done better. And Pattison's Bruce Wayne is definitely a fresh and interesting take. Bale's Wayne always felts like a boring supporting character.
- The Riddler single-handedly took down all the big bads while Batman was busy beating up small-time thugs in the alleyway. The world's best detective was completely oblivious to the city's corruption.
- As good as Batman was at guessing riddles, he didn't catch the Riddler. The Riddler deliberately exposed himself to be caught.
- But because this is a Batman movie and they needed to make Riddler the big bad, they shoehorned in the whole Tyler Durden's Project Mayhem-ish ending which was completely unnecessary for Riddler.
Regardless, I enjoyed the movie. Compared to Nolan and Burton's movies, this was imo the best version of Gotham. Nolan's was more Metropolis than Gotham. Burton's Gotham feels like a small town out of the Adam's Family. Burton's Catwoman and Penguin remains more iconic though. I liked how they tried to incorporate investigative elements, even though it could've been done better. And Pattison's Bruce Wayne is definitely a fresh and interesting take. Bale's Wayne always felts like a boring supporting character.
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I just watched it and it was alright. The supporting characters stole the show. The Penguin and the Riddler crushed it, Cat Woman was great too.
Of coarse they had to shoehorn in some bullshit about white privilege, make commissioner Gordon black, and have a gay relationship, but everything flowed good and the little woke tidbits didn't wreck it.
I saw some reviews that called it pretentious, but I'll take that tone over the silly slapstick shit that the Marvel movies will do sometimes.
I haven't been big on comic book stuff since I was a kid in the 80's and 90's, so these are the kind of movies that I will usually just watch once, but they are still worth checking out to me.
Overall I give it a 7/10.
Of coarse they had to shoehorn in some bullshit about white privilege, make commissioner Gordon black, and have a gay relationship, but everything flowed good and the little woke tidbits didn't wreck it.
I saw some reviews that called it pretentious, but I'll take that tone over the silly slapstick shit that the Marvel movies will do sometimes.
I haven't been big on comic book stuff since I was a kid in the 80's and 90's, so these are the kind of movies that I will usually just watch once, but they are still worth checking out to me.
Overall I give it a 7/10.
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Finally got around to watching this and honestly was very pleasantly surprised, not just another conventional action film with with a progressively edgier Batman but something rather different. Avoids most of the standard origin stuff thats been done to death and focuses heavily on Gothham and giving Batman some moral depth/arc to him. It really does look superb in UHD and I think Greig Fraiser is one of the best cinematographers doing blockbusters with this, Dune and Rogue One.
The point of the movie surely is though that the Riddler is inspired by Batman, see's himself as a vigilante fighting genuine immorality like him but crosses the line into becoming jury and executioner as well, I think you see with him really a good cause gets perverted by his own ego and need to be someone. That does I think make it a Batman movie with some genuine depth to the character, a flawed Batman confronted with a mirror of himself who has gone down the darker path.
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Huh? We barely even got to know Pattisons Wayne at all. Hes barely in the movie.
In comparison, Batman Begins did an excellent job of establishing the Bruce Wayne character. On 2nd view, I believe most people fell madly in love with it cause they were fiending for a solid comic book movie from DC...or maybe just any movie worth a shit. Similar to the Maverick effect.
The acting was good, the cinematography and style/look of the movie was good. The story and flow.....meh.
Even the look of it is to be expected as they have so much material to reference. From the comics and cartoons to the movies, Batmans world is very similar across platforms. That look was actually employed in the past, especially if you simply mix a couple worlds.
Its the story along with the acting which drives the vehicle in this instance and I believe the story was simply....meh.
Lets just say they "borrowed" from other movies.
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Just watched this again for the first time since seeing it in theaters. Main thoughts -
Positives -
*Visually, its a 10/10 movie. The directing, color scheme, cinematography, and editing are all flawless.
*All of the performances for the entire cast are perfect with no weak links.
*This is about as close to a Saw/Horror movie a comic book movie can possibly get while maintaining a PG-13 rating, and even then its surprising they were able to get so graphic in some scenes.
Flaws -
*The variations of the Nirvana song are throughout the movie's soundtrack - the orchestral score. It gets repetitive and impossible to ignore as opposed to the first time I saw it.
*The comparisons to Saw are positive aspects, but how they copied & pasted elements of Seven & Fight Club to the Riddler were just lazy. At least try to make it more subtle you're copying from older loved movies.
*The obvious 'Social Justice' choices in casting are impossible not to notice the second time watching it. (If you know, you know)
*The "White Priviledge" line is even more cringy if you're expecting it.
*The Joker scene at the end... Aug... its so much worse the 2nd time watching it. Without question the worst part if the movie. I take back what I said about the cast having no weak links, because that Joker isn't only the weak link but he's the worst Joker in history.
I'll give it a 8.5/10 second time through.
Positives -
*Visually, its a 10/10 movie. The directing, color scheme, cinematography, and editing are all flawless.
*All of the performances for the entire cast are perfect with no weak links.
*This is about as close to a Saw/Horror movie a comic book movie can possibly get while maintaining a PG-13 rating, and even then its surprising they were able to get so graphic in some scenes.
Flaws -
*The variations of the Nirvana song are throughout the movie's soundtrack - the orchestral score. It gets repetitive and impossible to ignore as opposed to the first time I saw it.
*The comparisons to Saw are positive aspects, but how they copied & pasted elements of Seven & Fight Club to the Riddler were just lazy. At least try to make it more subtle you're copying from older loved movies.
*The obvious 'Social Justice' choices in casting are impossible not to notice the second time watching it. (If you know, you know)
*The "White Priviledge" line is even more cringy if you're expecting it.
*The Joker scene at the end... Aug... its so much worse the 2nd time watching it. Without question the worst part if the movie. I take back what I said about the cast having no weak links, because that Joker isn't only the weak link but he's the worst Joker in history.
I'll give it a 8.5/10 second time through.
Also rewatched this recently, still a beautifully shot movie even with its tone. The movie still felt too long and I agree with the score as above, the constant nirvana stuck out as they just slapped it on scenes over and over. Good movie on rewatch, it was great on first watch but replay wise it's not as strong as prior batman movies.
Pattinson did a great job and I'd really like to see what else he does in sequels, no Joker though please, give us some new villain blood.
Pattinson did a great job and I'd really like to see what else he does in sequels, no Joker though please, give us some new villain blood.
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Waste of nearly three hours. Why does every director feel like they need to make their little superhero movies into three hour long The Godfather like epics now? Also why did they did they shoot Bella Real? I thought they were only going after the corrupt shitty privileged white guys?
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Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but doesn't "Something in the Way" by Nirvana only play twice? Once when he's introduced in the beginning and at the very end?
Saw comparisons? For the rat trap? The bomb? God forbid any other movie does traps or it will be compared to the bullshit that was the Saw franchise.
Fight Club? Which aspect of Fight Club exactly? No one thought they were Tyler Durden. If you're comparing the officers towards the end of FC to the Riddler's followers that's a broad stretch.
No clue where you get the Seven comparison. Him having a "vision and goal?" Yeah, surely that's also copied. Been done a thousand times.
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It's more about the way its done i think. Yeah it's not the first film to do it but the presentation is clearly influenced by Finchers style imo.
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The licensed song only plays twice. But there's many variations of it within the orchestral score.
Listen to the beginning of this track as an example.
Yup, the rat trap, the bomb, and a few other murder contraptions that supposedly the victim could escap.... oh they died anyway.
That's directly lifted from the Saw franchise. I know because I've seen them all, most of them multiple times, and consider a few of them to be excellent (1&2), a few to be great (4&6), one to me 'okay' (3), and the rest to be absolute trash.
In the way The Riddler started an anti-establishment/anarchist cult bent on the destruction of 'the system' is very Tyler Durden-ish.
Riddler writing in notebooks, just like John Doe, was a lifted straight out of Se7en.
And I haven't actually looked up any commentaries about other comparisons beyond my own observations, but apparently I'm not the only one that noticed them.
The Batman: 7 Similarities With Se7en
https://screenrant.com/the-batman-se7en-similarities/
The Batman And Se7en Have More In Common Than You Think
https://www.looper.com/790339/the-batman-and-se7en-have-more-in-common-than-you-think/
The Batman Is Basically If Batman Was In Se7en, But That's Why It Rules, Actually
https://www.slashfilm.com/789941/th...was-in-se7en-but-thats-why-it-rules-actually/
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You went out of your way to prove nothing to me.
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Thought we were having an honest discussion about a film, but apparently you were just shitting on my opinion, which I backed up every point I made, and you basically put your fingers in your ears and began babbling like a fool.
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Hey pal, you got your panties in a twist. Don't get angry at me for your misguided stance.
Your final source even credits the movie positively for supposedly copying Se7en.
Get your head out of your ass.
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The Saw franchise did not invent such "trap" scenarios.
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Now you're playing the "You're mad, therefore I won' card.
So
It
Did
Copy
Se7en
What did you post earlier? Oh here it is...
Your initial response to mine wasn't argumentative, my response to you wasn't meant to be argumentative but perhaps with ALL of the links I provided to back up my opinion it may have come off as argumentative.
But this response -
Displayed you just being a dick, and I responded in kind.
If you didn't observe the similarities to Fight Club & Seven, fine. Many people didn't. I'm not saying I'm a Sherlock Holmes of cinema, I was just posting my thoughts after watching the movie again - 3 months ago - and apparently you wanted to be a dick about it.
You're the only one who's head needs to be pulled out of their ass.
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Yeah, Se7en did, somewhat. But those were displayed in past-tense with the detectives arriving at the murder scenes.
The Saw series (mostly starting in Saw 2) showed the trap scenes as current events within the narrative. Saw 1 also borrowed from Se7en with the detective angle told in flashbacks.
