The Anime and Manga Thread v47

JBSchroeds said:
I don't know the specific case you're referencing, but blank panels can be a legit storytelling/pacing technique. Not that I'm saying you're wrong (Oda's pacing is terrible and its why I stopped reading One Piece years ago), but it is something skilled authors can keep in their back pocket.
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I still do animations and storyboard projects for some clients. It's fairly common in any visual media. Oda doesn't use them, he abuse the shit out of them to obviously extend his series.
 
JBSchroeds said:
Nah. I was a manga reader and don't know how far the anime adaption got, but the manga definitly loses it as time goes on. I stopped reading probably close to two years ago at this point, and I really enjoyed the first few volumes.
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Seems like I stopped at the right time hahah.
 
Flower2dPeople said:
One tiny detail- the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me was Oda putting empty panels side by side. Literally a filler even for storyboard standards. In a freaking manga.
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Oda freaking sucks. I said it in other comment but this guy prioritize the wrong thing. Characters like Garp and Roger backstory got skipped, but random characters got a full backstory. LODA.
 
Crazy Librarian said:
Oda freaking sucks. I said it in other comment but this guy prioritize the wrong thing. Characters like Garp and Roger backstory got skipped, but random characters got a full backstory. LODA.
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Character bloat is what ultimately did it in for me. There were more and more characters that all needed panel time, and he insisted on constantly breaking up the crew so you'd have a half-dozen concurrent lines that were all fighting for time. It started making each arc take years to complete. I finally gave up when, after letting it sit for a year so I could marathon it, the arc I'd originally gotten sick of six months in still wasn't finished a year later. Not only not finished, but didn't appear close to a climax. (EDIT: I looked it up and this was Dressrosa. Punk Hazard sucked to the point I was skimming chapters by the end, then six months of Dressrosa made me put it down. A year later it still wasn't finished and, judging by the 102 chapter length, it still wasn't going to end for another six months. I have no regrets dropping the series.)

I feel like the same thing happened to Oda as happens to some famous novelists: they become 'editor proof.' They become so successful that there is no longer anybody left to tell them stuff like, "Hey, the way you have this story blocked out is going to take forever to tell. You need to consolidate plotlines to keep up a snappy pace." Or maybe, "That character doesn't really need an entire chapter devoted to their backstory. You could still manage an evocative vignette with a couple wordless panels."
 
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JBSchroeds said:
Character bloat is what ultimately did it in for me. There were more and more characters that all needed panel time, and he insisted on constantly breaking up the crew so you'd have a half-dozen concurrent lines that were all fighting for time. It started making each arc take years to complete. I finally gave up when, after letting it sit for a year so I could marathon it, the arc I'd originally gotten sick of six months in still wasn't finished a year later. Not only not finished, but didn't appear close to a climax.

I feel like the same thing happened to Oda as happens to some famous novelists: they become 'editor proof.' They become so successful that there is no longer anybody left to tell them stuff like, "Hey, the way you have this story blocked out is going to take forever to tell. You need to consolidate plotlines to keep up a snappy pace." Or maybe, "That character doesn't really need an entire chapter devoted to their backstory. You could still manage an evocative vignette with a couple wordless panels."
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When I was routinely following One Piece I din't really feel it, but now that I look back it's crazy how one boring arc can take like 5 years when One Piece updates once a week or once every 2 weeks. Just totally crazy.

And everytime we got introduced to a new character in an arc, LODA always make backstory for them, even if this is a character we don't really care about. CHEESUS!!!
 
JBSchroeds said:
Character bloat is what ultimately did it in for me. There were more and more characters that all needed panel time, and he insisted on constantly breaking up the crew so you'd have a half-dozen concurrent lines that were all fighting for time. It started making each arc take years to complete. I finally gave up when, after letting it sit for a year so I could marathon it, the arc I'd originally gotten sick of six months in still wasn't finished a year later. Not only not finished, but didn't appear close to a climax. (EDIT: I looked it up and this was Dressrosa. Punk Hazard sucked to the point I was skimming chapters by the end, then six months of Dressrosa made me put it down. A year later it still wasn't finished and, judging by the 102 chapter length, it still wasn't going to end for another six months. I have no regrets dropping the series.)
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The same criticism they threw at Kishimoto.


JBSchroeds said:
I feel like the same thing happened to Oda as happens to some famous novelists: they become 'editor proof.' They become so successful that there is no longer anybody left to tell them stuff like, "Hey, the way you have this story blocked out is going to take forever to tell. You need to consolidate plotlines to keep up a snappy pace." Or maybe, "That character doesn't really need an entire chapter devoted to their backstory. You could still manage an evocative vignette with a couple wordless panels."
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I believe it's the other way around. I don't think Oda is a horrible storyteller it's just that Shueisha and Toei are greedy bastards.
 
Ok, so, I finished Bocchi the Rock and I fucking loved it. I don't think an anime has made me laugh that much since Konosuba, plus there's loads of quirky/interesting animation, and some genuinely good music. I'm glad I gave it a chance. It's tied with Given as my favorite music anime, but it's more readily recommend it to others over Given since it's basically 75% comedy and 25% feels whereas Given is the exact opposite.

 
Flower2dPeople said:
I believe it's the other way around. I don't think Oda is a horrible storyteller it's just that Shueisha and Toei are greedy bastards.
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Eh, not sure I entirely agree with that. Not that the companies aren't greedy, because they absolutely are and push series beyond where they should have ended (Dragon Ball is a prime example), but that Oda has always been long winded and suffered from pacing problems even before OP became an international juggernaut. That Oda's obsessiveness for minutia aligns with the corporate desire for never-ending content just reinforces the lack of proper editing. He's too big to say no to, and the companies are disincentivize from doing it in the first place because they're already making tons of money.
 
KeepingItReal said:
I guess they just know how to get shit done over at Void.
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Not really, it's an intentional business choice by Webtoon. The backlog gives them chapters to put up for fastpass to make money off the FOMO crowd who can't wait, and it gives their translators/editors/quality-checkers time to work. Scanlators are in competition for popular series and often have to rush out content as fast as they can. Not that webtoon is necessarily a perfect translation, but I don't see obvious errors in their work nearly as often as scanlators. I'll give you an example: in a recent chapter of Nano Machine the scanlators used 'axe' to describe what was very obviously a broadsword. It was an error that could only happen from an unskilled/rushed translator and half-baked QC. Other common errors are orphaned letters, where a word is spliced between lines in a text bubble; it's another kind of error that only happens because of rushing and lack of QC.
 
JBSchroeds said:
Not really, it's an intentional business choice by Webtoon. The backlog gives them chapters to put up for fastpass to make money off the FOMO crowd who can't wait, and it gives their translators/editors/quality-checkers time to work. Scanlators are in competition for popular series and often have to rush out content as fast as they can. Not that webtoon is necessarily a perfect translation, but I don't see obvious errors in their work nearly as often as scanlators. I'll give you an example: in a recent chapter of Nano Machine the scanlators used 'axe' to describe what was very obviously a broadsword. It was an error that could only happen from an unskilled/rushed translator and half-baked QC. Other common errors are orphaned letters, where a word is spliced between lines in a text bubble; it's another kind of error that only happens because of rushing and lack of QC.
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That might be generally true but these last few chapters of TOG seem solid there.
 
@Crazy Librarian check out Boku no Kokoro no Yabai Yatsu. I started reading it last year out of boredom. I'm surprised that it got anime'd.

Kyotaro Ichikawa is a disgruntled loner student who fantasizes about murdering his popular classmates, often reading a murder encyclopedia and learning about human anatomy, with the class idol, Anna Yamada, being his prime target. However, when he observes that Anna is rather quirky in her own way, and when she becomes increasingly friendly towards Kyotaro, he gradually warms up to her and they start to become closer.
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NoSmilez said:
Basilisk was fun for me but the second part completely sucked for me. I thought it was terrible
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I really liked it from start to finish. It was fun without giving out too much shounen vibes which I sometimes dislike.
 


Wtfffffffffff GET HYPEEE!

How am I first hearing of this? This is just amazing, Pluto is a great manga from Naoki Urasawa the author of Monster. Hopefully this will lead to 20th century boys when of the greatest manga of all time.
 
Daverisimo said:
Ok, so, I finished Bocchi the Rock and I fucking loved it. I don't think an anime has made me laugh that much since Konosuba, plus there's loads of quirky/interesting animation, and some genuinely good music. I'm glad I gave it a chance. It's tied with Given as my favorite music anime, but it's more readily recommend it to others over Given since it's basically 75% comedy and 25% feels whereas Given is the exact opposite.

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On the strength of this recommendation and the fact that you mentioned Konosuba I will watch this series. Thanks!
 
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