The American Gun Rights Thread Vol. 3

[HYBRID_CFC]

Colt started selling the AR-15 to civilians in 1963. Eugene Stoner had 3+ decades to poo poo any of his designs.

Fucking ad says $189.50. I think I paid that much for my first lower back in 1998.

Wonder what the fam thought about when cashing their checks off of the old "Widowmaker"?

Mmm AR-18...I've always wanted an AR-180.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Bummer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/machine-guns-second-amendment-ruling_us_57769b2ee4b09b4c43c03f30

A Texas man who sued the federal government because it wouldn’t approve his application to manufacture a machine gun doesn’t have a constitutional right to possess the automatic weapon, an appeals court ruled.

Jay Hollis sought permission to convert his AR-15, a popular semi-automatic firearm, into an M16 — an automatic firearm that is banned under federal law, except for official use or if lawfully obtained before 1986.

After he was rejected, Hollis mounted a constitutional challenge to the Gun Control Act of 1968 — which Congress amended in 1986 to make it illegal to possess or transfer machine guns. Among other things, he argued that an “M-16 is the quintessential militia-styled arm for the modern day.”

In a unanimous ruling issued Thursday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit rejected Hollis’ arguments, categorically noting that “machine guns are not protected arms under the Second Amendment.”

The court explained that the leading Supreme Court precedent on the right to keep and bear arms, 2008’s District of Columbia v. Heller, only protected individual handgun possession for “defense of hearth and home.”

 

[matburn H]

Crazy how this government has ZERO issues with arming insurgents in foreign countries to expedite it's own interest, and help them "attain freedom" but suddenly have an issue with their own citizenry owning and obtaining guns.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Crazy how this government has ZERO issues with arming insurgents in foreign countries to expedite it's own interest, and help them "attain freedom" but suddenly have an issue with their own citizenry owning and obtaining guns.

Great point. Whatever "arms" they provide are clearly what we, as the militia-forming people, need to be proficient with in order to compete. Common sense, yo.

 

[Madmick]

I've already seen three workarounds for SB880 including one from the guy who designed the original "bullet-hole" himself.

All they're serving to do is generate sales for these workaround accessories to current California AR owners, and stimulating (out of fear of yet more measures the next time some Muslim shoots up our country) a spur of new sales for AR's being engineered with the Pez-style workarounds or other hole-free adaptations that will allow quick mag release and re-loading.

So who wins for like the umpteenth time in a row that gun control is passed (or more often merely discussed) opportunistically by the Dems following one of these tragedies?

The gun manufacturers. Sales are up.

Bravo, Calicrats. Bravo.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

I've already seen three workarounds for SB880 including one from the guy who designed the original "bullet-hole" himself.

All they're serving to do is generate sales for these workaround accessories to current California AR owners, and stimulating (out of fear of yet more measures the next time some Muslim shoots up our country) a spur of new sales for AR's being engineered with the Pez-style workarounds or other hole-free adaptations that will allow quick mag release and re-loading.

So who wins for like the umpteenth time in a row that gun control is passed (or more often merely discussed) opportunistically by the Dems following one of these tragedies?

The gun manufacturers. Sales are up.

Bravo, Calicrats. Bravo.

Supply and demand. The individual has a demand for such a weapon. In this instance, regulations are just like pushing in one side of a balloon, the other side will grow in proportion to how much you push the other way.

These regulations won't work because they are trying to curtail a rational and natural desire and demand.

 

[Madmick]

Didn't feel this deserved its own thread, but I also noticed we're getting a lot of splinter threads for Gun Rights debates that don't really warrant their own threads. This just happened last night:
http://www.abc10.com/news/local/cal...g-red-bluff-couple-with-steak-knife/265249911

A 16-year-old girl was shot by a man after she threatened him and his wife with a steak knife Tuesday evening.

The girl is in serious condition, according to the Red Bluff Police Department.

The shooting started when neighbors in the 200 block of Carol Avenue began fighting after a road-rage incident. Relatives of one of the drivers became involved when a woman was hit, said police.

Their shouting got the attention of another neighbor, who called 911.

That neighbor, a 30-year-old woman, went outside and yelled at the group that she called the police, said Lt. Matt Hansen.

That's when the group turned its attention to the woman and threatened her. The 16-year-old girl attacked the woman and the 30-year-old woman's husband called 911 again. The 31-year-old husband went outside with his gun holstered to get his wife, said police.

The 16-year-old and two other men continued to threaten the couple and that's when the 16-year-old followed them with the 6-inch steak knife. The husband shot at the girl three times, hitting her twice, said police.

The girl was taken to St. Elizabeth Hospital where she underwent surgery for the gunshot wounds.

The man who shot the girl was also arrested and interviewed by police, but was released after police determined he used his gun in self-defense.

The case was filed with the Tehama County District Attorney, who will look into charging the group who escalated the road-rage argument.

Police also arrested Dallas Goodman, 22, from Red Bluff, for delaying officers in their investigation because he tried to help the girl after she was shot, said Hansen. Goodman also had a knife and was arrested for resisting arrest and having a concealed knife.

Alcohol was likely a factor in the actions of some of the people involved, police said.

Second link (both are ABC affiliates):
http://www.krcrtv.com/neighborhood-dispute-leads-to-shooting/40384214

Dallas Goodman

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Didn't feel this deserved its own thread, but I also noticed we're getting a lot of splinter threads for Gun Rights debates that don't really warrant their own threads. This just happened last night:
http://www.abc10.com/news/local/cal...g-red-bluff-couple-with-steak-knife/265249911

I've got precious little sympathy for people who escalate violence. Ain't self-defense grand?

 

[Dolomite]

It looks like the cops shot him with gorilla tranquilizer and then turned on a little Bon Iver, Bon Iver in the background.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Fun stuff.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/09/quiz-which-handgun-are-you/

I'm a Glock 21. Was hoping for a CZ or 1911.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/287021-texas-rep-no-gun-bill-needed-after-dallas-sniper-attack

Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), who represents parts of Dallas and its suburbs, on Friday told The Hill new gun control bills are not needed after at least one sniper killed five police officers in downtown Dallas a night earlier.

"I do not believe [gun legislation] is the answer," Sessions, chairman of the Rules Committee and a member of Speaker Paul Ryan's (R-Wis.) leadership team, said in an interview just off the House floor.

Sessions, the son of a former FBI director, argued that some U.S. cities with the very strict gun control policies still experience the a lot of gun violence. "An example is Chicago. They already have the tightest gun control laws in the country, yet they lead the country in violence," he said.

"Well, what is that common denominator? It's gangs and gang violence. It's children killing other children. It's competition for turf. That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with gun control, and we have to address all the issues, not find an easy blame.”

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I guess they'll be coming after C&R's/licenses soon.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-guman-shooting-micah-johnson-sks-rifle/

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives classifies the SKS rifle that some sources believe Micah Johnson used to kill five Dallas police officers on July 7 a "Curio or Relic."

Due to this status, which the SKS shares with many other models of Berettas, Colts, Remingtons, Rugers and other firearms that are at least 50 years old, gun dealers said that in some states and jurisdictions the Soviet-era rifle can be purchased online and delivered to your door without securing a permit.

 

[SMEAC]

I'm assuming the story neglected the part about atf giving out the C&R?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I'm assuming the story neglected the part about atf giving out the C&R?

The throw out some details along with the fear-inducing parts.

Because of their technically obsolete status, you can purchase an SKS if you have a $30, three-year Curio and Relic (C&R) license from the ATF. And it's only one of many "curios" available, including such classics as the 9-millimeter Browning High Power, Lugers and some Colt .45s.

One gun dealer said a client had a Thompson submachine gun delivered, the gun made famous by the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. The gun was modified to fire only semi-automatic, meaning one shot is fired with each squeeze of the trigger, so as not to violate federal law.

The big advantage of a C&R -- these aging guns are legal for interstate transport and sale. Buyers are deemed by the ATF to be a "collector."

Some states place additional restrictions on those applying for a C&R license. For example, Illinois requires applicants to have a Firearm Owners Identification(FOID) card, which entails a background check, no felony convictions and no mental illness. But for the average applicant it takes only 15 minutes to apply for the license, according to one website in the state.

Obtaining a C&R license in other states can be trickier. Firearms advocates consider New Jersey "gun unfriendly," for example, so an application for a C&R is referred to the state police, who then pass it along to the municipality. Local officials may reject it or treat it as a traditional Federal Firearms License, which requires multiple approvals and permitting.

In contrast, neighboring Pennsylvania is considered an easy state to get a C&R. Residents can get an SKS or other weapon delivered to their home, gun dealers said. Other "right to carry" states are equally liberal.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...s-talk-stricter-gun-control-nra-raises-alarm/

The mayors of three Pennsylvania cities, including Philadelphia, promise to enact local gun control ordinances that would be stricter than state law, thanks to a Pennsylvania Supreme Court Decision in late June that upheld their successful lawsuit against a state law, Act 192.

That has prompted the National Rifle Association’s political action arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, to sound an alarm among the NRA’s membership. The NRA-ILA has also found a friendly state legislator to introduce legislation aimed at stopping the local movement before it goes too far.

All of this action on both sides of the gun control debate happened in just a few days following a Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision that struck down Pennsylvania Act 192. It was a law that made it easier for groups like the NRA to sue to block enforcement of local gun control ordinances and made it simpler for gun owners who fought City Hall to recover their court costs if they won.

The NRA argues the decision to void PA 192 should not impact Pennsylvania’s firearms preemption law that was passed in 1974, which lays out the concept that state law always trumps local ordinances.

Allentown Mayor Ed Pawlowski told WFMZ-TV he would immediately reintroduce gun control ordinances that were repealed after Act 192 was passed in 2014.

"I believe in the Second Amendment, but at the same time we need to have common sense reasonable approaches to this whole issue of guns and where we carry guns," Pawlowski said.

The Allentown package includes a ban on carrying guns in city buildings and parks and an ordinance that would force gun owners to report a lost or stolen gun within 48 hours.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I wonder after today's attack how many's views change regarding the validity of using mass shootings as a reason to curtail the right to self-defense. We've got a clear case of what a motivated individual and a motorized vehicle can do. To my recollection this is worse than any non-government-related mass murder shooting.

 

[Adamant]

Didn't feel this deserved its own thread, but I also noticed we're getting a lot of splinter threads for Gun Rights debates that don't really warrant their own threads. This just happened last night:
http://www.abc10.com/news/local/cal...g-red-bluff-couple-with-steak-knife/265249911


Second link (both are ABC affiliates):
http://www.krcrtv.com/neighborhood-dispute-leads-to-shooting/40384214

Dallas Goodman

Good for the man, but crazy how self defense guarantees an arrest until proven innocent. Is it a California thing or what?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Great stuff here.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ings-republicans-glanton-20160718-column.html

Five law enforcement officers shot to death in Dallas. Three officers killed in Baton Rouge.

Let's not pretend that the Black Lives Matter movement is responsible for these murders. The real culprits are assault weapons.

It is easy to get sidetracked and misplace our anger on the peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters who are simply exercising their rights under the First Amendment. Ironically, much of that anger comes from people who adamantly support the Second Amendment — as if one section of the Constitution is more important than another.

We already know the answer. We can never be safe from outside attacks until we have figured out how to protect ourselves from within. That means ridding our cities of semi-automatic rifles, pistols, shotguns and large capacity ammunition magazines.

No Americans need to be able to walk around with rifles equipped with telescoping stocks, barrel shrouds and detachable magazines.

Perhaps there isn't much that could have been done to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of Micah Xavier Johnson, the shooter in Dallas, or Gavin Long, the gunman in Baton Rouge. Both were highly trained military veterans who didn't need loopholes to obtain high-powered weapons. Though clearly they suffered from mental disorders, there likely was nothing in their medical history that would have presented a red flag.

Indeed, law-abiding citizens, such as Johnson and Long, are the ones Second Amendment laws are designed to protect. Only a federal ban on assault rifles and other semi-automatic weapons could have kept them from obtaining such high-powered weapons.

Since she feels nothing is more important in the Constitution than the 2nd Amendment I guess she'll have no problem giving up the right to assembly and the right to state her opinion in the press. Those things have also contributed to the deaths of police officers.

 

[djacobox372]

Crazy how this government has ZERO issues with arming insurgents in foreign countries to expedite it's own interest, and help them "attain freedom" but suddenly have an issue with their own citizenry owning and obtaining guns.

Last I checked the "government" has very little issues with Americans having guns, hence our nearly non existent gun regulations throughout most of this country.

There are segments of the country that want to ban guns, but they are a minority.

 

[SMEAC]

Saying those two were highly trained is offensive to dictionaries and reeks of pushing a narrative