The American Gun Rights Thread Vol. 3

[Greoric]

Yeah good luck in running a guerrila campaign against the US armed forces in 2016 lol.

A bunch of half starved goat herders wearing cloths and sandals with negligible training did pretty well against a military force that was fully funded. What do you think 3% of American gun owners are capable of with modern equipment and the same training against a fractured military domestically?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I wouldn't call years of fighting amongst themselves, and staving off the fucking Soviets w/ goddman Hind helicopters as 'negligible training' IMO

afghans have never been conquered for a reason

plus they fight asymmetrically, we aren't really allowed to do that....

 

[Gregolian]

Yeah good luck in running a guerrila campaign against the US armed forces in 2016 lol.

I'm not talking about guerrilla operations against the US armed forces. I'm talking about protecting myself and having some fun and to say GUN OWNERS are the problem instead of people unable to get mental health services or people that practice and follow strictly an ideology that dictates you throw homosexuals off of the roof and you are told how to PROPERLY beat your wife AREN'T a problem......

I don't know what to say to you.

are you referring to Australia? the country that censors movies, video games, and music? not exactly a bastion of freedom Australia is......

cuz Switzerland has mad guns, and VIRTUALLY ZERO gun related crimes.....wonder why that is?

TO BE FAIR, Switzerland also has compulsory military service AND people have to show like every two years they can still operate the damn things.

On the other side, the guns they have are the guns they used while in the service so they're like the Swiss versions of M4s.

 

[Concrete Whale]

Afghanistan has been conquered. Catch you later gun lovers.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

for a more accurate depiction of how fighting an armed insurgency should go, look at the USMC Small Wars Manual from the Banana Wars w/ Chesty Puller and the ilk....

Pretty much became the Hamlet strategy the Marines wanted in Vietnam, Westmoreland veto'd that shit quickly, but the Marines were allowed to operate a smaller sized campaign based off that strategy called the CAP or Combined Action Platoon program.

marines lived w/ Vietcong, in the villages, worked together, tc... became a part of the community. Prior to the Tet Offensive, when the CAPs became mobilizied ( and thus negating the entire premise of it and why it works). Even with that, they experienced a general Kill/Death Ratio of I think 12:1 (it was 20:1 before mobilization I believe), crazy high arms/munitions/equipment captures, etc.... Furthermore, villages actually warned of NVA/insurgent presence, actually helping the Marines to fight back and maintain their own villages....

Great plan, too bad it wasn't implemented fully

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I'm not talking about guerrilla operations against the US armed forces. I'm talking about protecting myself and having some fun and to say GUN OWNERS are the problem instead of people unable to get mental health services or people that practice and follow strictly an ideology that dictates you throw homosexuals off of the roof and you are told how to PROPERLY beat your wife AREN'T a problem......

I don't know what to say to you.


TO BE FAIR, Switzerland also has compulsory military service AND people have to show like every two years they can still operate the damn things.

On the other side, the guns they have are the guns they used while in the service so they're like the Swiss versions of M4s.

I know, I lived right next to it and visited it twice (Geneva, and Bern). Beautiful place, nice people, and yet I didn't actually see a SINGLE gun while there haha

 

[Gregolian]

I know, I lived right next to it and visited it twice (Geneva, and Bern). Beautiful place, nice people, and yet I didn't actually see a SINGLE gun while there haha

I need to go to Europe.

As to the dude with yellows and the Lesnar av... like most anti-gunners... tries to say something they think is pithy, get confronted with facts, make some stupid anecdotal statement and then run.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

shit, even I took the hits in the thread longer than that......

at least have some conviction in your views IMO

 

[SMEAC]

Compared to most spree shooters? Compared to the population as a whole?
Granted, based on your comments, they might not be at all highly trained relative to you but is that the right metric?

A personal example: I think bjj bluebelts suck. Compared to the population as a whole they're pretty highly trained (or at least used to be, kids these days).

They were in literally just about the two least military jobs there are. They were lucky to know which end bullets come out. Any proficiency you think they displayed was due to their own motivation.

 

[Greoric]

I wouldn't call years of fighting amongst themselves, and staving off the fucking Soviets w/ goddman Hind helicopters as 'negligible training' IMO

afghans have never been conquered for a reason

plus they fight asymmetrically, we aren't really allowed to do that....

Negligible formal training, but noted.

 

[Harmonica]

A bunch of half starved goat herders wearing cloths and sandals with negligible training did pretty well against a military force that was fully funded. What do you think 3% of American gun owners are capable of with modern equipment and the same training against a fractured military domestically?

Yes, but you've overlooked one important difference. The former don't have anything to lose and are as brainwashed as it gets while the latter aren't.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

whoa whoa SMEAC haha

I was one of the POG'st MOS there is (Fueler) and yet I still had to do all the same training my IN BN did (including test for EIB, even though I can't wear it haha)

that being said, if those homies were in non combat arms units, then ya. absolutely, they had practically zero training TBH

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Negligible formal training, but noted.

good pt tho, our job in Kabul was Drill Sergeants for the ANA. I'm sure you've seen the videos, but they LITERALLY can't even do jumping jacks properly

 

[SMEAC]

I don't know about the Baton Rouge one, but that guy in Dallas was doing pretty "well" for a single shooter. There's not very much you can do individually other than shoot and move, and it was extremely easy for him to get rolled up once they found his location. If he had a partner on his level, they probably could have racked up a much higher body count imo.

He sought out training on his own

 

[SMEAC]

whoa whoa SMEAC haha

I was one of the POG'st MOS there is (Fueler) and yet I still had to do all the same training my IN BN did (including test for EIB, even though I can't wear it haha)

that being said, if those homies were in non combat arms units, then ya. absolutely, they had practically zero training TBH

Carpenter and IT
One got booted for sniffing panties

 

[Greoric]

Yes, but you've overlooked one important difference. The former don't have anything to lose and are as brainwashed as it gets while the latter aren't.

I think the average American is pretty brainwashed. Though probably not in the sense that you mean. You're right though. For lack of a better term, the activation energy for that kind of conflict will be for the oppressed group to have nothing to lose. While people are still reasonably comfortable with an overreaching federal government, they won't do much to counter it other than writing Sherdog posts.

 

[Gregolian]

Carpenter and IT
One got booted for sniffing panties

Holy shit really? FLOL

 

[Greoric]

He sought out training on his own

Dallas guy? Yeah, he was moving better than any reservist I've seen.

 

[Harmonica]

I think the average American is pretty brainwashed. Though probably not in the sense that you mean. You're right though. For lack of a better term, the activation energy for that kind of conflict will be for the oppressed group to have nothing to lose. While people are still reasonably comfortable with an overreaching federal government, they won't do much to counter it other than writing Sherdog posts.

Yup. People go truly medieval only when their stomachs are empty and such a thing is unlikely to happen in the USA.

 

[SMEAC]

Dallas guy? Yeah, he was moving better than any reservist I've seen.

The name of the place is on the net, I don't recall off the top of my head. Its also been theorized that the Nation of Islam was doing training