What is undeniable is that if civilians had no guns, there would be no civilians killing other civilians with them. I would , as a lefty liberal socialist w/e the right wing prix wanna call me, call that the perfect scenario...However, there are hundreds of millions of guns in private ownership, and the second amendment exists and will not cease to exist....I support the right of people to have guns in their homes for hunting, and protection, given the present situation, I just don't understand why people think they should be allowed to have ar 15s and such, the notion that they will enable them to defeat a tyrannical government in todays world is ludicrous...the "well armed militia" in todays world would need tanks, armed aircraft, helicopters, missiles etc to defeat the US military in battle, or at least IEDS... /rimshot.... seriously though, what the hell is the matter with expanded background checks, ffs, the right just comes off like stubborn little children on this issue.