The American Gun Rights Thread Vol. 3

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DevilsLettuce said:
Another non sequitur. You really are very bad at making any real points.

I accept your conceding the argument.
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Mace is a thing...tasers...you know, shit not lethal that allows you to incapacitate your attacker with equal efficiency and yet is non lethal. There...are you happy? Does that fully answer your question?
 
BVG said:
Mace is a thing...tasers...you know, shit not lethal that allows you to incapacitate your attacker with equal efficiency and yet is non lethal. There...are you happy? Does that fully answer your question?
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This statement is woefully ignorant and foolish.

Less than lethal defense is absolutely NOT equal to lethal force. You have to be pretty stupid to not understand that.
 
BVG said:
Mace is a thing...tasers...you know, shit not lethal that allows you to incapacitate your attacker with equal efficiency and yet is non lethal. There...are you happy? Does that fully answer your question?
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Mace and pepper spray and even tazers are very limited in use, which is why the cops limit their use.
 
And yet would be more than adequate to help this old lady you keep referencing. Unless she's being attacked by an armed swat team...is she being attacked by a swat team?
 
DevilsLettuce said:
This statement is woefully ignorant and foolish.

Less than lethal defense is absolutely NOT equal to lethal force. You have to be pretty stupid to not understand that.
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Ok you ran out of shit to say after I gave you a suitable answer....gotcha!
 
BVG said:
And yet would be more than adequate to help this old lady you keep referencing. Unless she's being attacked by an armed swat team...is she being attacked by a swat team?
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Do you really know this little about the use of force and the people involved in this type of situation?

This lack of knowledge helps to understand why you post what you do.
 
BVG said:
Mace is a thing...tasers...you know, shit not lethal that allows you to incapacitate your attacker with equal efficiency and yet is non lethal. There...are you happy? Does that fully answer your question?
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So you are saying that mace and tasers incapacitate a person equally to shooting them dead? Do you know what words mean???

And just to add because I didn't read the rest of your obviously witty argument, but we are also accounting that the attacker might be armed and there maybe more than one of them? And they may actually have a gun?
 
Lol. This is the peak of intellectual dishonesty on this forum, and that is saying A LOT.

BVG, you're a shit poster and a dismal human being.
 
Skip Reming said:
So you are saying that mace and tasers incapacitate a person equally to shooting them dead? Do you know what words mean???

And just to add because I didn't read the rest of your obviously witty argument, but we are also accounting that the attacker might be armed and there maybe more than one of them? And they may actually have a gun?
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Let's take this little old lady as an example. Let's say she's grabbed from behind...gun is useless...she's already incapacitated. She's old and let's assume not very strong so she's stuck with smaller calibre smaller guns...do I trust her aim in public to handle a gun in a stressful situation?

Nope.

If she's being attacked by more than one person who's armed...with guns...she's fucked either way. (lol...like swat I was referencing as a joke)

If she's actually NOT being attacked but because she's old and senile she thinks she is...and she pulls it out of fear...oh goodie!

There's very limited situations where a gun over mace in the hands of an old lady is more preferable dealing with the situation where everyone else who ISN'T her attacker is safe.
 
DevilsLettuce said:
Lol. This is the peak of intellectual dishonesty on this forum, and that is saying A LOT.

BVG, you're a shit poster and a dismal human being.
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"is a bit of a douchebag"

And I didn't have to say it!
 
BVG said:
"is a bit of a douchebag"

And I didn't have to say it!
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At least I'm not a complete liar. I guarantee you that I garner far, far more respect from people than you do.
 
BVG said:
Yeah you are a big wheel at the cracker factory fella...
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BVG said:
You are still fucking trying? Dude those hand grips look fucking awkward as sin. Those barrels look way too long and the lack of a second pistol grip means he could easily loose control of his gun on a flinch or quick ducking motion.

Guy needs to run behind cover and you think it's gonna not get snagged under duress of gunfire that he's not gonna bump his gun into a door frame? Give me a break.

IS ANYONE SHOOTING AT THESE TWO GUYS WHILE THEY ARE COMPETING?

No?

Then it's not the same situation...it's not the same thing. You are cute fella. I love how you keep trying to compare shooting competitions to combat...LOVE IT.

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Shorter barrel...a SECOND pistol grip. (lol) tighter posture, elbows tucked in...wrist flows into the handle naturally...smaller silhouette. More guaranteed control of the gun. Guns designed for combat. Go figure.

Fuck off.

LOL.

(actually don't fuck off, please come back and show me more pictures...I love the fail)
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"It looks".... it looks is all the experience you have.

Lol "second pistol grip". It's called a vertical grip. What you said about them is pure bs speculation just like your opinion of how something looks to hold. They are good for holding on to while not shooting... They are good for a long patrol.

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This is the most controlled hold. It is best for everything while shooting. Side to side movement, recoil control, etc.

Dude you said they are clumsy and it's awkward. They aren't. That is the point I'm making with competitive shooters. If they were shit awkard clusmy they wouldn't be used. I am purely talking about weapon handling. I'm not comparing it to combat. I am talking about what is or isn't clumsy. I don't know how many times I have to say this.

Also it is pretty obvious you have never seen 3 gun before. It literally replicates shooting targets from behind cover and you have to move from cover to cover, shoot through doors and windows etc. Not that it matters because I wasn't trying to compare 3 gun to combat.

Btw we are talking about mass shooters? Are people shooting back at them? Usually not until police have shown up and they have already shot a bunch of people.

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Nothing about the left is clumsy or awkward.

"Combat situations" isn't just house clearing. SBR's and SMG are definitely best for house clearing. My repeated phrase of low ready and movement is best with a pistol grip basically suggests that a pistol grip is better for close quarters combat where movement is key. I said pure shooting is best with a straight stock. Hands, head and rifle all in a straight line.

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They are pretty much the same size despite the M1A 16 being a much larger caliber and look if you so choose you can put a vertical grip on it. In certain situations like idk out in the open... is what I was getting at in the last post.

Here is an example of a place banning a pistol grip and a manufacturer releasing a new stock a week later.

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Do you think that would somehow hinder a mass shooter?
 
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BVG said:
Let's take this little old lady as an example. Let's say she's grabbed from behind...gun is useless...she's already incapacitated. She's old and let's assume not very strong so she's stuck with smaller calibre smaller guns...do I trust her aim in public to handle a gun in a stressful situation?

Nope.

If she's being attacked by more than one person who's armed...with guns...she's fucked either way. (lol...like swat I was referencing as a joke)

If she's actually NOT being attacked but because she's old and senile she thinks she is...and she pulls it out of fear...oh goodie!

There's very limited situations where a gun over mace in the hands of an old lady is more preferable dealing with the situation where everyone else who ISN'T her attacker is safe.
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Don't mess with little old ladies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/09/nyregion/09wheelchair.html

http://newsone.com/2835758/elzie-pipkins-shreveport-louisiana/

http://patch.com/new-hampshire/londonderry/elderly-woman-shoots-alleged-would-be-robber-0

Or just woman that will fight and have the means to do so.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-wounded-shot-neck-tried-rob-knife-point.html
 
oldshadow said:
Don't mess with little old ladies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/09/nyregion/09wheelchair.html

http://newsone.com/2835758/elzie-pipkins-shreveport-louisiana/

http://patch.com/new-hampshire/londonderry/elderly-woman-shoots-alleged-would-be-robber-0

Or just woman that will fight and have the means to do so.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-wounded-shot-neck-tried-rob-knife-point.html
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I could google all the incidents of people mishandling firearms...I could link all the incidents of people being shot from mishandling fire arms...and I could ask could any of these situations be handled with a non lethal weapon that would negate any of the negative side effects that owning a gun brings?

Shit like this?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/florida-mother-shoots-daughter/

or this

http://lancasteronline.com/news/loc...cle_592bde76-b832-11e4-8b2c-bfde825f6d34.html

or this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-bought-defend-violent-Ferguson-protests.html

or this

http://fox6now.com/2015/10/10/78-ye...n-accidentally-shoots-herself-in-the-stomach/

But ok...you found 4 links where an old lady protected herself successfully using a firearm.

So?

I still don't think I want her armed in public. Sorry buddy.
 
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