Thats a K.O slam

[Trabaho]

Looks like a slam into headbutt. Did he cut him with his headbutt. Hard to judge if it should be a nc. His own fault for driving his head into him.

 

[TCE]

Yet this was ruled a slam KO

 

[CerebralKnievel]

His head smashed the mat first from.the slam.

As Cruz said how do we know that didnt K.O him the mat... A head bouncing into another head after bouncing offf the mat isn't a head clash ...

Bull shit...K.O slam

Not to mention, the mechanics of being concussed generally require sudden, abrupt movement from impact. Colliding heads when yours is already firmly against the cage mat is not equivalent to a blind clash of heads which causes your head to abruptly bounce back.

 

[Connection Lost]

that was DEF a clash of heads.. anyone who doesn't see that is literally Retarded

Their heads definitely clashed.

But there are levels to head clashes aren't there? These guys were head-to-head so they'd both take similar damage. If anything, Hernandez was trying to use his head for control. This is not the same as a person stuffing a takedown and essentially uppercutting someone in the jaw with the top of their skull.
MMA fans are fickle. People cry about the "illegal knee" on Aljo the Actor, but if his hand was 1 inch off the ground like Yan thought, it would be celebrated as a clever and tactful move.

 

[Safton]

I can understand the arguments for both sides, but honestly I tend to feel that this is a weird precedent to set with the RAW and the previous finishes of similar types we've seen that were apparently kosher. I consider this the head clash analogue of a punch, head kick, elbow, etc. that wraps around to land behind the neck or head during a legitimate stand-up exchange and as such no one thinks to assess it as a foul. The thing is, the Unified Rules don't delineate regarding such back-of-the-head shots in the text, yet the officials have taken it upon themselves to basically exercise wide discretion and "legislate inside the cage" by setting precedent. I feel that something similar should have happened here, personally -- but again that's just me.

I've been saying for years that certain bits of the Unified Rules regarding fouls need way more extensive wording. It's a crime that the section about throat strikes/throat manipulation covers more bases and includes a disclaimer about "If a dude accidentally hits the other guy in the trachea during the stand-up it's fine", yet the section regarding back-of-the-head shots offers very little guidance by way of comparison. Maybe the headbutt section could also do with an update.

 

[Here's Johnny!]

you watch a video of the mans head slamming into the mans face and say to yourself... na... no clash... lmao wtf.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Yet this was ruled a slam KO

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Crying about KO's in MMA.... Especially awesome, violent slam ko's

Slam Ko's are great. Headbutt KO's not so much. If you just like to see KO's regardless of skill or not just watch stupid kids playing the KO game on youtube.

 

[scoobster]

absolute malarkey.....its a fucking suplex K.O

Suplex? it was a throw

 

[Big Al's Texas BBQ]

Stopped by last night for the gif, but didn’t see one. Here today, still no gif.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

While I was thinking legit KO, it makes you wonder was that slam good enough to cause the first slam KO in ages without the head clash...

But man how long was he going to watch those elbows land

 

[HeffDoesWant]

ortiz/tanner, rampage/arona, shamrock/zinoviev (i think)

plenty of slam ko’s using the head as a wall

Those are all very old and on thinner mats.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Aside from the half dozen heavy elbows on an unconscious fighter, and slam/headclash KO, this fight also had a clear knee to a grounded opponent and nothing more than a warning.

That was fucking ridiculous. It was clear, it was deliberate and it being a stupid decision does not exempt it at all.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Suplex? it was a throw

Is a suplex not a throw?...

 

[Kwic]

I'd say the bigger talking point is that ref letting those freaking elbows go unanswered while the guy was clearly knocked out. What was he waiting for?

Must have Russian roots.

 

[Southpoor97]

I think it's funny that this thread can even have 2 pages of discussion.

It was a KO slam, but there was definitely a clash of heads.

No one can deny that their heads came together. Both of their momentum was directed down towards the mat.

I'm fine with going to replay on it, but it should be the same threshold as other instant replay reviews. "Clear video evidence" needed to overturn the referees judgement.

We do not see clear evidence the head clash knocked the fighter out compared to the slam itself, so therefor the call should stay as called by the ref and fight stopped by ko, imo.

This is your opinion, its pretty clear he knocked out by the head clash if you look at it from an unbiased view.

Even on a merit based view, that slam wasn't intentional it was a fluke KO either way, so I don't think he deserves a KO on his record or a chance for a bonus based off that random crap

 

[Southpoor97]

Got a video instead brother...slam K.O

its not a slam KO, keep coping and seething.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

its not a slam KO, keep coping and seething.

Its literally no different then another other slam K.O...but alright

 

[Stalkingsquid]

Slam Ko's are great. Headbutt KO's not so much. If you just like to see KO's regardless of skill or not just watch stupid kids playing the KO game on youtube.

Get over yourself my guy
Take the horseshoe outta your ass

 

[lweiberg]

Fuck off... anyone thinking thats a clash of heads..

For reference

It looks like the impact of the head on the mat might have caused the KO, but the heads definitely touched -

I wonder if there is an official definition of "clash" and if this would meet the criteria.