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[Deleted member 110072]

The Sarah Connor character is a great example of how they used to be able to just put a woman in a role like that and then let the performance speak for itself. Both Linda Hamilton and Lena Headey were great as Sarah Connor. Emilia Clarke, not so much...

But now they have to market the whole movie about how it's all about 'strong female characters.' One of the golden rules of film is 'show me, don't tell me.'

Put a competent actress im a well written role and let her show us how great she is, they don't need to tell us in advance. It's hacky.

Don't think you can throw everything together though, there are definitely films being made where "strong female characters" are taking the place of good writing(The Starwars sequels come to mind) but equally there are plenty of films like Fury Road, Rogue One, etc were there not and lets be honest still loads of male led blockbusters, the vast majority of superhero films for example.

One thing to consider as well is I think that the action genre itself is now getting pretty old and originality is increasingly harder to come by. Done well I think a stronger female presence can definitely be more than an exercise in tokenism taking things in a new direction.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

CGI T2 arnie > gabriel luna

Anyone can say what they like about Salvation, and I'll agree with a lot of it, but the plot-twist of Sam Worthington's character being told by Skynet "You killed John Connor" and the scene immediately changes to Christian Bale (John Connor) being confronted by CGI Arnie - one of the best moments of any Terminator movie.

I got CHILLS up my spine when that happened.

It nearly redeems the rest of the movie from being 'good' to 'great.' Just nearly.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

The Terminator franchise has gone full Ken Shamrock at this point. As Kyle Reese might say “it will not stop ever until its legacy is dead!”

The problem to me is that stuff like Terminator, Predator, Alien, etc don't seem to be aiming very high anymore.

Something like Nolan's Batman for example was I think beyond its quality simply a project you could tell was aiming high, from the rising star director to the writer to the strength of the cast. I just don't get that from the above franchises which seem happy to just play on the fan attachment to the name.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

The problem to me is that stuff like Terminator, Predator, Alien, etc don't seem to be aiming very high anymore.

Something like Nolan's Batman for example was I think beyond its quality simply a project you could tell was aiming high, from the rising star director to the writer to the strength of the cast. I just don't get that from the above franchises which seem happy to just play on the fan attachment to the name.

Ridley Scott aimed too high when he came back to the Alien franchise

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Ridley Scott aimed too high when he came back to the Alien franchise

He mixed in some grand ideas but generally I tend to think the reverse, the films were too happy to fall back into playing on the originals in quite a cheap fashion, especially Covenant.

Honestly as much as I love his early work even Scott himself isn't exactly someone aiming for the stars in recent years the way say Nolan is, he's more a classy hired hand.

 

[VitorReem]

Update: April 13, 2018

New TERMINATOR Casts Natalia Reyes as the Female Lead, Gabriel Luna to Play a Terminator

Colombian actress Natalia Reyes has nabbed the starring role in the Terminator reboot.

Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger are returning to the fold while Blade Runner 2049 actress Mackenzie Davis is one of the new star additions to the sci-fi action project from Paramount and Skydance.

Gabriel Luna, who is known for playing Ghost Rider on ABC's Agents of SHIELD, has also been cast in the film, as well as Mexican-born Diego Boneto, known for his work in Scream Queens.

But the main role in the new Terminator is that of Dani, a young woman from a working class neighborhood in Mexico City who finds herself in the battle between humans and machines.

Luna will play a Terminator robot while Boneta will play Dani's brother. Davis is an soldier-assassin from the future.

Hamilton and Schwarzenegger are reprising their roles but sources say that their parts are relatively brief.

Skydance and filmmakers Tim Miller and James Cameron, directing and producing respectively, made a concerted effort to find a Latina actress and someone who they considered a “discovery," in the similar way Cameron did with Hamilton when he cast the young actress in his 1984 movie.

They came close a couple of times in the last few months but no cigar. Several weeks ago it was decided to broaden the search to central and South America, with seven actresses picked to screentest.

Reyes appeared in children’s programs in Colombia and has starred in two noteworthy Spanish-speaking series, Cumbia Ninja and Lady, the seller of roses (Lady, la vendedor de rosas). But what some sources say was the clincher was her work in Birds of Passage, the new film from Colombian filmmaker Ciro Guerra. Reyes is the lead of the film and buzz has the film heading for a debut at this year's Cannes Film Festival.

Now the cast is expected to begin training later in April with an eye towards a May production start. The film opens Nov. 22, 2019.

James Cameron's 'Terminator' Reboot Finds Its Star with Colombian Discovery After a Lengthy Search

Ehhhhh I dunno. This whole all Mexican cast with “strong woman” female lead bullshit is scaring me.

Gabriel was phenomenal as ghost rider so I’ll give him a chance but terminator is a totally different thing. I don’t know what to think about this. As long as it’s rated R and James Cameron does everything we have a chance but they need to have women that are ACTUALLY badass. Not just thrown in for a gimmick. Sarah Conor is one of the GOAT female characters. They can’t try to make this a shameless sjw festival trying to make it box office successful again. It’s backwards as shit and WILL NOT work.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Don't think you can throw everything together though, there are definitely films being made where "strong female characters" are taking the place of good writing(The Starwars sequels come to mind) but equally there are plenty of films like Fury Road, Rogue One, etc were there not and lets be honest still loads of male led blockbusters, the vast majority of superhero films for example.

One thing to consider as well is I think that the action genre itself is now getting pretty old and originality is increasingly harder to come by. Done well I think a stronger female presence can definitely be more than an exercise in tokenism taking things in a new direction.

Emily Blunt was great in Sicario. Personally I thought Fury Road and Rogue One were ass.

There are great actresses out there and it's an insult to them when studios try to cash in on feminism by having them running around acting like men.

Ripley was a great example of a badass female character that still acted like a woman. If Alien were made now, they wouldn't have her acting frightened of the Alien. She'd be smirking and throwing out one liners and would kill it by shooting it in the dick.

 

[MMouse]

Anyone can say what they like about Salvation, and I'll agree with a lot of it, but the plot-twist of Sam Worthington's character being told by Skynet "You killed John Connor" and the scene immediately changes to Christian Bale (John Connor) being confronted by CGI Arnie - one of the best moments of any Terminator movie.

I got CHILLS up my spine when that happened.

It nearly redeems the rest of the movie from being 'good' to 'great.' Just nearly.

This.

Im sure with tech to cgi thanos,
Cgi transformers, cgi ninja turtles, ect

They can do a cgi arnie and give it alot of screen time, and it would be revive what Terminator was all about.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

As long as it’s rated R

Don't hold your breath.

 

[MMouse]

Don't hold your breath.

Ive always wanted a full movie of the post apocalyptic warfare we see at intros and of original T1/2.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Ive always wanted a full movie of the post apocalyptic warfare we see at intros and of original T1/2.

They tried that, with Salvation... sorta.

It looks cool in T1/2 for the limited screentime it had, but it would be a poor setting for an entire movie.

In otherwords, sometimes less is more, and let your imagination fill in the rest.

And, lets be honest here, every Terminator flick has sucked (my unpopular opinion of Salvation being an exception) for the last 25 years, and I wasn't impressed with The Sarah Connor Chronicles aside from Summer Glau.
Do you REALLY want them to take one of the coolest aspects of the original movies, and butcher it by expanding it into another movie?

 

[MMouse]

They tried that, with Salvation... sorta.

It looks cool in T1/2 for the limited screentime it had, but it would be a poor setting for an entire movie.

In otherwords, sometimes less is more, and let your imagination fill in the rest.

And, lets be honest here, every Terminator flick has sucked (my unpopular opinion of Salvation being an exception) for the last 25 years, and I wasn't impressed with The Sarah Connor Chronicles aside from Summer Glau.

It be a dark film similar too matrix, blade runner.

We'd get to see the development of conor and his rise to leadership, the struggles of society, the intellegience of skynet building, the resistance's ups and downs.

More in depth of how time machine was created, the engineering of skynet.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

It be a dark film similar too matrix, blade runner.

We'd get to see the development of conor and his rise to leadership, the struggles of society, the intellegience of skynet building, the resistance's ups and downs.

More in depth of how time machine was created, the engineering of skynet.

You may want to check out the Terminator Salvation novels.

One takes place before the movie, and after.

 

[MMouse]

You may want to check out the Terminator Salvation novels.

One takes place before the movie, and after.

Thanks man

Salvation just didnt execute it quite right.

If james cameron was motivated as he was with T1/2, with a cast like bale and Worthington, he coulda done
wonders.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Thanks man

Salvation just didnt execute it quite right.

If james cameron was motivated as he was with T1/2, with a cast like bale and Worthington, he coulda done
wonders.

Oh I WISH Salvation could have been delayed for a few years so Cameron could have directed it.

Perhaps smoothed over a few details in the script.

Cameron needs to pull a Ridley Scott and return to the franchise he created.

 

[Steve-French]

It will still probably be good, but the era of the female super hero is cringy as fuck.

 

[Osculater]

I heard the title of the movie will be named "El Terminador: La Venganza"

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Emily Blunt was great in Sicario. Personally I thought Fury Road and Rogue One were ass.

There are great actresses out there and it's an insult to them when studios try to cash in on feminism by having them running around acting like men.

Ripley was a great example of a badass female character that still acted like a woman. If Alien were made now, they wouldn't have her acting frightened of the Alien. She'd be smirking and throwing out one liners and would kill it by shooting it in the dick.

Two of the best action blockbusters in recent years for me, Sicario was realty more of a drama. In both cases there was more to the characters than them simply being "kickass" and they were actually allowed to fail and need help from others.

Not sure Ripley "acted like a woman" in the original, she acted like a believable person in being scared of the alien.

Again I see both sides, there is cheap "strong woman" writing but there are some people who seem to feel threatened by a female character showing competence.

 

[HHJ]

ugh, the more I see T2 the worse even that gets, fucking whiny little bitch john and turning the terminator into a bitch

T1 is one of the best movies ever

When I first saw t2 in the theatre,i loved it. Then later on id watch the first one and wish the 2nd one was more like it..cos the first movie is kind of like a horror movie,and has that fucked up soundtrack.

But as an adult,i feel like Cameron is a genius,and that both terminator movies are kind of like comparing the first two Alien movies. They are very different but you just cant have one without the other. They are both phenomenal and that is all there is to it.

 

[Adamant]

I wonder how John Connor is gonna factor into the movie? Like why would Sarah show up without him?

I am still holding out hope we get a secret cameo from Furlong. I don't care if he's 600lbs. Eddie is John Connor.



Though to be fair, when I saw this, I realized Clive Owen would indeed make a cool future Connor. (Just based on this pic, I like him better than anyone who's played Connor since T2)