Tamper Tantrum (Mueller Thread v. 17)

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Remember how you guys felt on election night?

Get ready for that x10 when the IG report comes out and the indictments that result.

It will be glorious!

Weeping! Gnashing of teeth! Exploding heads! Schadenfreude!
IMO if charges are avoided, it'll be lawyers arguing technicalities.

This bunch is bought and sold though. Corruption through and through. An observer would have to be willfully bending over backwards to extend them any benefit of doubt.

THEY WORKED WITH RUSSIANS
 
That’s not an answer to my question. Go back, read it carefully and answer the question with a yes or no.

Well I can't answer your question any more clearly. That answer is no. I do not think that the story of Sessions committing perjury broke as he was being questioned about committing perjury.

Now how about you tell us what this video shows bob, or how it is in any way a defense to perjury. Any answer will do bob.
 
You implied it was illegal by saying the FBI can't send an informant to your house. I also believe you said it's entrapment to repeatedly ask someone to receive stolen emails. Not sure that was you or Bob.

Youre biased because you have a belief of illegal activity without proof.

Comey, Lynch, and McCabe all lied and should have been fired and charged. I don't like the FBI, stop making silly assumptions

Saying u believe illegal things likely happened is not saying u know they did

It is entrapment to continually ask something after being turned down

Wait. So Comey Lynch & McCabe should all be charged but the DOJ & FBI comitted no crimes?
 
Saying u believe illegal things likely happened is not saying u know they did

It is entrapment to continually ask something after being turned down

Wait. So Comey Lynch & McCabe should all be charged but the DOJ & FBI comitted no crimes?
I never said it was, I used specific examples to support you saying what happened that you believe to be illegal although it's legal.

That's not entrapment.

I never said the DOJ and the FBI committed no crimes, I said I haven't seen any proof that they committed crimes in the investigation of Trump.
 
I never said it was, I used specific examples to support you saying what happened that you believe to be illegal although it's legal.

That's not entrapment.

I never said the DOJ and the FBI committed no crimes, I said I haven't seen any proof that they committed crimes in the investigation of Trump.

You are losing me?

You believe lying/misleading a FISA court is legal? You believe sending a spy into someone's home without cause is legal?

U honestly don't believe continually trying to get the SAME person to commit a crime after they already refused to is not entrapment?

If u honestly believe this there really is no discussion. There have been sources posted in the thread that show u are wrong
 
You are losing me?

You believe lying/misleading a FISA court is legal? You believe sending a spy into someone's home without cause is legal?

U honestly don't believe continually trying to get the SAME person to commit a crime after they already refused to is not entrapment?

If u honestly believe this there really is no discussion. There have been sources posted in the thread that show u are wrong
What was lying/misleading to the fisa court? They disclosed that the Dossier was politically funded. It is legal, an informant isn't a government employee.

It's not, entrapment is when you're using coercion, repeatedly asking someone isn't entrapment.

There have been sources showing you're wrong, you don't understand that entrapment requires a crime being charged that you were entrapped into committing.
 
It is entrapment to continually ask something after being turned down

No it's not. Entrapment is not a crime, it is an affirmative defense raised by a defendant. It is not a crime you charge someone with. None of the people charged with a crime has raised entrapment as a defense. If they did, they would have to show that while they committed all elements of a crime, they were forced/tricked into doing so by law enforcement. Repeatedly asking someone to break the law doesn't isn't entrapment. It is another affirmative defense, which would be coercion, and it would be a terribly week claim, which is why none of Mueller's defendants are trying to raise it.

Entrapment for federal crimes generally comes down to two legal tests: 1) you look at the defendants state of mind and try to determine if he knowingly did the acts alleged with knowledge that they were illegal; 2) and you look at the actions of law enforcement and see if they would have caused an average person to commit that crime. This burden rests on the defendant. The prosecution has the burden to prove that the defendant performed every element of the crime. The defendant can either offer evidence that he did not fulfill those elements, or he can assert and affirmative defense such as self-defense, entrapment, etc.

This is why you and bobs talk of entrapment is retarded. Neither of you have made the argument that entrapment applies to any crime that anyone was actually charged with, and potential entrapment is not a thing. You can keep crying foul about law enforcement asking someone to do something unethical, and them ultimately doing it. But no one gives a shit because, 1) that person is an adult and can take responsibility for their actions; 2) repeatedly being asked to do it is hardly a justification for doing something wrong; 3) he was never charged with a criminal offense for those actions.
 
Well I can't answer your question any more clearly. That answer is no. I do not think that the story of Sessions committing perjury broke as he was being questioned about committing perjury.

Now how about you tell us what this video shows bob, or how it is in any way a defense to perjury. Any answer will do bob.



Again, you’re intentionally misunderstanding the question, or you have an elementary school level of reading comprehension.

In the first hearing, the story broke during that hearing, and the question was sprung upon him.

True or false.
 
What was lying/misleading to the fisa court? They disclosed that the Dossier was politically funded. It is legal, an informant isn't a government employee.

It's not, entrapment is when you're using coercion, repeatedly asking someone isn't entrapment.

There have been sources showing you're wrong, you don't understand that entrapment requires a crime being charged that you were entrapped into committing.

No it's not. Entrapment is not a crime, it is an affirmative defense raised by a defendant. It is not a crime you charge someone with. None of the people charged with a crime has raised entrapment as a defense. If they did, they would have to show that while they committed all elements of a crime, they were forced/tricked into doing so by law enforcement. Repeatedly asking someone to break the law doesn't isn't entrapment. It is another affirmative defense, which would be coercion, and it would be a terribly week claim, which is why none of Mueller's defendants are trying to raise it.

Entrapment for federal crimes generally comes down to two legal tests: 1) you look at the defendants state of mind and try to determine if he knowingly did the acts alleged with knowledge that they were illegal; 2) and you look at the actions of law enforcement and see if they would have caused an average person to commit that crime. This burden rests on the defendant. The prosecution has the burden to prove that the defendant performed every element of the crime. The defendant can either offer evidence that he did not fulfill those elements, or he can assert and affirmative defense such as self-defense, entrapment, etc.

This is why you and bobs talk of entrapment is retarded. Neither of you have made the argument that entrapment applies to any crime that anyone was actually charged with, and potential entrapment is not a thing. You can keep crying foul about law enforcement asking someone to do something unethical, and them ultimately doing it. But no one gives a shit because, 1) that person is an adult and can take responsibility for their actions; 2) repeatedly being asked to do it is hardly a justification for doing something wrong; 3) he was never charged with a criminal offense for those actions.



What part of “they attempted to set up a member of the trump campaign, with illegal material, after repeated refusals” which if he accepted them and was arrested, would be a textbook entrapment case (as I posted earlier), is so hard for you to understand?


You two are literally making the argument that it’s perfectly ok to abuse the powers of the federal government, to target a political campaign, as long as that campaign doesn’t accept the illegal material the government tried to set them up with.


As if the government can do no wrong.
 
Again, you’re intentionally misunderstanding the question, or you have an elementary school level of reading comprehension.

In the first hearing, the story broke during that hearing, and the question was sprung upon him.

True or false.

How many times do I need to tell you no bob? No bob, i do not think the story broke in the youtube video you posted that was entitled "Franken Destroy's Sessions." I do not think any story broke during that testimony.

You said that Sessions "only talked to a russian." I replied that it would still be perjury to lie about that under oath. Then you posted a ten minute youtube video of Senate testimony in which Sessions claims he misremembered, and Franken proceeds to rip him apart for that excuse. I've asked what the fuck this has to do anything, and you keep asking me about whether or not a story broke during that testimony. No one knows what the fuck you're talking about or why any of this is relevant.

Just tell us what you're getting at here bob.
 
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What part of “they attempted to set up a member of the trump campaign, with illegal material, after repeated refusals” which if he accepted them and was arrested, would be a textbook entrapment case (as I posted earlier), is so hard for you to understand?

What part of potential entrapment not being a thing do you not understand?
 
What was lying/misleading to the fisa court? They disclosed that the Dossier was politically funded. It is legal, an informant isn't a government employee.

It's not, entrapment is when you're using coercion, repeatedly asking someone isn't entrapment.

There have been sources showing you're wrong, you don't understand that entrapment requires a crime being charged that you were entrapped into committing.

Oh man.

Saying something is politically funded is not disclosing who ACTUALLY funded it. Nice try though. If the law states ALL info must be supplied to the court then not revealing who actual funded it is misleading the court. Also stating the dossier is verified would be misrepresentation.

U can attemp to entrap. I'm not sure if u are being serious here. Entrapment and Coersion are not the same.

An informant is a part of an organization to start with. A spy is sent into a organization
 
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It was an exercise in futility to engage that poster in rational debate.
 
You two are literally making the argument that it’s perfectly ok to abuse the powers of the federal government, to target a political campaign, as long as that campaign doesn’t accept the illegal material the government tried to set them up with.

No bob. I'm saying that no statute, rule, or regulation was broken by law enforcement.

Feel free to post any such rule, law, ordinance, that you think was broken.
 
Actually attempted entrapment is real.

Google it

No. Neither entrapment nor attempted entrapment, are federal crimes. They just aren't.

Post any statute and you'll have destroyed my argument.
 
fu·til·i·ty
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noun
  1. pointlessness or uselessness.
It was an exercise in futility to engage that poster in rational debate.

I know. At this point bob has to realize that I'm not trying to win him over. I know he's a liar and will never admit it. Blowing up his arguments is just my way of protecting innocent passers by, who might wander past and read some of his bullshit.
 
No. Neither entrapment nor attempted entrapment, are federal crimes. They just aren't.

Post any statute and you'll have destroyed my argument.

I didn't say it was a crime. But it is an actual thing. Just google it

Because something is not a crime does not make it ok. But it's weird that you would say the attempting of entrapment is not an actual thing
 
I know. At this point bob has to realize that I'm not trying to win him over. I know he's a liar and will never admit it. Blowing up his arguments is just my way of protecting innocent passers by, who might wander past and read some of his bullshit.

Where did he lie? Can u post it. I've actually posted sources debunking your lies.

If u can't post where he lied and are just calling him a liar because you can't debate him then that would be derailing

This is how it works...

U stated multiple times conservatives started the funding of the dossier. I then posted an AP article correcting that LIE. An actual retraction article.

See, that's how u disprove a fellow poster when they post an actual LIE. Now it's your turn to disprove Bob in that same way
 
How many times do I need to tell you no bob? No bob, i do not think the story broke in the youtube video you posted that was entitled "Franken Destroy's Sessions." I do not think any story broke during that testimony.

You said that Sessions "only talked to a russian." I replied that it would still be perjury to lie about that under oath. Then you posted a ten minute youtube video of Senate testimony in which Sessions claims he misremembered, and Franken proceeds to rip him apart for that excuse. I've asked what the fuck this has to do anything, and you keep asking me about whether or not a story broke during that testimony. No one knows what the fuck you're talking about or why any of this is relevant.

Just tell us what you're getting at here bob.


Well, you’re wrong. Once you admit that, than I’ll move on to the next detail.


Sorry we have to do it this way, but you intentionally conflate multiple subjects/claims together, so to pin you down, this is how we need to proceed.



Btw, triple post quote...

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