International Taliban Ban All Afghan Women From Higher Education, Parks, Gyms, Working for NGO's.

[StocktonMuhfuh]

Yeah but Bin Ladin was in Afghanistan being protected and escorted by the Taliban.

Fair enough but now justify Iraq.

 

[Arkain2K]

Fair enough but now justify Iraq.

What does Iraq (or the Philippines, or Germany, or Grenada, or Japan) have anything to do with this topic of discussion on the Taliban?

Why do any other countries need to justify for what the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan?

Why are you even posting here if you aren't even capable of understanding what the thread is about?

 

[Arkain2K]

Well Afghans saw no reason to fight for the corrupt and nonsensical constitutional order that the US left behind. For instance some Afghan police were bribed with $150 pay outs by the Taliban and this worked because many had not been paid for 6-9 months.

Here's a good Twitter thread on a lot of the shenanigans that went on under the US occupation.

Personally, if I wasn't paid by my corrupt boss for that long, I'll quit and find another job rather than get in bed with the Taliban or ISIS, but that's just me.

If the Afghan people truly believe that going back to living under Taliban's rule is better for their country, knowing very well what that was and will be like, I think the world should respect their decision.

When the women Afghanistan inevitably cries out "why is the international community watching this without doing anything to help!", I hope a world leader would have the guts to reply "because this is exactly what your people wanted?".

And then one day if the Afghan people change their mind and decide to take matter into their own hands and make improvements to their own society themselves, like all enduring democracies in the world had to fight for theirs, we will cheer them on loudly and passionately from the stands for moral support.

 

[7even]

Fair enough but now justify Iraq.

I don’t know, I guess the thousands of kurds that been murdered by chemical weapons from Saddam Hussein. So we took him out of power and brought Justice to the Kurds on his atrocities against the Kurdish people. Iraqi people didn’t give a fuck about Kurds by the way. The Iraqi people were warmongers, always invading other countries like Iran and Kuwait and killing Kurds. So they had it coming when they got invaded by USA. After that you have posters like yourself being sympathetic towards them as the victims. The invasion split the country into three factions that were killing off each other, while the American military was trying to restore a central government during the whole cluster fuck, and you have idiots at home in America thinking Iraqi insurgents just wanted Americans out of the country and not realizing that one of the factions was ISIS before it became ISIS and the Kurds wanted the Americans to stay. The country wad better off with Saddam Hussein in power, He was the lesser evil. Maybe not for the Kurds, but posters like you don’t give a fuck about them anyway.

 

[StocktonMuhfuh]

What does Iraq (or the Philippines, or Germany, or Grenada, or Japan) have anything to do with this topic of discussion on the Taliban?

Why do any other countries need to justify for what the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan?

Why are you even posting here if you aren't even capable of understanding what the thread is about?

Oh hush I don't recall even addressing you.

 

[StocktonMuhfuh]

I don’t know, I guess the thousands of kurds that been murdered by chemical weapons from Saddam Hussein. So we took him out of power and brought Justice to the Kurds on his atrocities against the Kurdish people. Iraqi people didn’t give a fuck about Kurds by the way. The Iraqi people were warmongers, always invading other countries like Iran and Kuwait and killing Kurds. So they had it coming when they got invaded by USA. After that you have posters like yourself being sympathetic towards them as the victims. The invasion split the country into three factions that were killing off each other, while the American military was trying to restore a central government during the whole cluster fuck, and you have idiots at home in America thinking Iraqi insurgents just wanted Americans out of the country and not realizing that one of the factions was ISIS before it became ISIS and the Kurds wanted the Americans to stay. The country wad better off with Saddam Hussein in power, He was the leaser evil. Maybe not for the Kurds, but posters like you don’t give a fuck about them anyway.

Sigh you could have just said waaaaah and it would have meant the same thing.

 

[7even]

Sigh you could have just said waaaaah and it would have meant the same thing.

Iraqis were warmongers that got their shit pushed in. Justice for the kurds. Fuck Hussein, and fuck ISIS that got their shit pushed in twice. Keep crying for the losers, bitch

 

[StocktonMuhfuh]

Iraqis were warmongers that got their shit pushed in. Justice for the kurds. Fuck Hussein, and fuck ISIS that got their shit pushed in twice. Keep crying for the losers, bitch

Hahaha I'm crying FOR THE WASTED AMERICAN BLOOD, bitch. The most precious blood on this earth.

 

[Islam Imamate]

If the Afghan people truly believe that living under Taliban's rule is better than what they had, I think the world should respect their decision.

Yeah let's just ignore the monumental failure that was the US state building project and act like its solely the fault of the Afghans.

 

[7even]

Hahaha I'm crying FOR THE WASTED AMERICAN BLOOD, bitch. The most precious blood on this earth.

Then cry somewhere else. You’re fucking annoying.

 

[SakurabasEar]

Yeah let's just ignore the monumental failure that was the US state building project and act like its solely the fault of the Afghans.

The people in afghanistan were suffering before we even stepped foot in afghanistan because of the Taliban. They just picked up where they left off really

 

[Islam Imamate]

The people in afghanistan were suffering before we even stepped foot in afghanistan because of the Taliban. They just picked up where they left off really

You don't think the US is at least partly responsible for the current state of Afghanistan given the 20 year occupation and trillion's spent on state building there?

 

[SakurabasEar]

You don't think the US is at least partly responsible for the current state of Afghanistan given the 20 year occupation and trillion's spent on state building there?

Not really, afghanistan was already a draconian shit hole. I don't agree with ether war, Iraq or Afghanistan. At least while we were there it was better overall for women. And I think its hard to make the case that the Taliban aren't mostly responsible for the outcomes in both the 90s and now

 

[Islam Imamate]

Not really, afghanistan was already a draconian shit hole. I don't agree with ether war, Iraq or Afghanistan. At least while we were there it was better overall for women. And I think its hard to make the case that the Taliban aren't mostly responsible for the outcomes in both the 90s and now

That's just bonkers to me, of course we're responsible for how Afghanistan looks after occupying it for 20 years.

 

[StocktonMuhfuh]

Then cry somewhere else. You’re fucking annoying.

Make me.

 

[SakurabasEar]

That's just bonkers to me, of course we're responsible for how Afghanistan looks after occupying it for 20 years.

I'm not saying it wasn't still a complete failure. Just especially on the topic of women's rights, it's hard to argue that the country wasn't the same way beforehand

And personally, I don't even condemn the women's rights thing, as that's part of tradition. But people have always starved when the Taliban have been in charge. They're not great at management apparently

 

[HereticBD]

You don't think the US is at least partly responsible for the current state of Afghanistan given the 20 year occupation and trillion's spent on state building there?

LOL, no.

It's just back to where it was. The US occupancy had little effect on Taliban rule. What are you even arguing? That the failed occupation didn't bring change to the region, so...fuck America for not shoving enough freedom up their asses and changing their ways?

 

[Yehudim]

Personally, if I wasn't paid by my corrupt boss for that long, I'll quit and find another job rather than get in bed with the Taliban or ISIS, but that's just me.

If the Afghan people truly believe that going back to living under Taliban's rule is better for their country, knowing very well what that was and will be like, I think the world should respect their decision.

When the women Afghanistan inevitably cries out "why is the international community watching this without doing anything to help!", I hope a world leader would have the guts to reply "because this is exactly what your people wanted?".

And then one day if the Afghan people change their mind and decide to take matter into their own hands and make improvements to their own society themselves, like all enduring democracies in the world had to fight for theirs, we will cheer them on loudly and passionately from the stands for moral support.

Exactly. A lot of people try to be nuanced and say that the people are caught up, or they have to choose between two bad choices, but ultimately the choice resides with the people and their sympathies.

The fact of the matter is that the people have a lot of sympathy for the Taliban. Perhaps not the NAME Taliban, but ideologically, they are there. I say that because someone can always pull out some poll (did they really go into the countryside and poll people?) that says that Afghan’s don’t support the Taliban, yet the Taliban exists among them, and always comes to power without a fight.

When the people have no sympathy, these movements do not exist, and can only exist with overwhelming force, as in with Hazara areas of Afghanistan.

It frustrates me to high hell when I hear about how some peoples supposedly disapprove of one group, yet always seems to be on their side.

Example: Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine are nominally against Russia and the invasion, yet the Russians are embedded in and hold those communities. Yet the Russians cannot hold Ukrainian areas, with the same amount of force.

Sunni Arabs in Syria supposedly hated ISIS and yet ISIS strongholds were in their area, yet ISIS could never conquer minority villages nearby or surrounded by ISIS territory. Why? Well because they had zero ideologically sympathy for them, obviously, and resisted all the way.

The fact of the matter is that Afghan’s hold some deep ideological sympathies with the Taliban and perhaps more importantly VIEW THEM AS THE BETTER ALTERNATIVE.

They may not agree with everything, but THIS is better than the American lead government, apparently.

 

[USA!USA!]

Cave men gonna cave men

 

[Yehudim]

You don't think the US is at least partly responsible for the current state of Afghanistan given the 20 year occupation and trillion's spent on state building there?

I would have much more sympathy with this argument if I knew it was in good faith.

Obviously some of the current issues are because of us, since Afghanistan was partly ran by us.

But in 20 years, I just know that people who say things like this (not necessarily you) will inevitably go back to blaming the US, because that is the case with a place Iran, for example.

If the US ever touched it, all the failures will be our fault. We won’t get credit if they succeed, though.