International Taliban Ban All Afghan Women From Higher Education, Parks, Gyms, Working for NGO's.

[Bald1]

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Which "leftists" are supporting radicals?

Your buddy who liked this post is right now actively arguing against SSM. Fact is something like a third of Muslims in the west think homosexuality should be illegal. That number is much higher in Islamic countries.

This is yet another example of identity politics blinding you. Islam is radical.

 

[Loiosh]

it's not Trump's fault the Biden administration purposely ignored the set withdrawal date, according to the deal that was made

Bidens administration did that on purpose, it was the only way they could turn what Trump did for peace and stability into a loss

You can't be serious.

Trump set an impossible deadline, withdrew so many troops it was impossible to manage a safe withdrawal, brought no equipment back and then started complaining immediately about the equipment Biden left behind.

Trump made no plans to evacuate the civilians. Biden announced the evacuation immediately and urged people to start leaving. He gave people months to get out and the closer he got to the deadline, the more urgent his messaging got. The entire last month he offered to fly people out for free.

Democrats pushed to expedite visas for Afghani allies but the GOP blocked them, leaving them to the wolves.

 

[Saye_mc]

You can't be serious.

Trump set an impossible deadline, withdrew so many troops it was impossible to manage a safe withdrawal, brought no equipment back and then started complaining immediately about the equipment Biden left behind.

Trump made no plans to evacuate the civilians. Biden announced the evacuation immediately and urged people to start leaving. He gave people months to get out and the closer he got to the deadline, the more urgent his messaging got. The entire last month he offered to fly people out for free.

Democrats pushed to expedite visas for Afghani allies but the GOP blocked them, leaving them to the wolves.

impossible for deep state rats who want endless wars. This shit wouldn't be happing if trump was president, you best believe that.

 

[oldshadow]

What's the goal and your best possible outcome?

And how many blood enemies are you willing you make? How many are you willing to radicalize?

Getting the hell out was probably the best possible move and Trump made it happen, even if he did it badly and set up Biden to take the blame.

So your choice is to let people attack and kill US citizens in the US and do nothing.

 

[oldshadow]

What cities do you have in mind? 80% of the population lives in rural areas btw.

Just to reiterate, the USSR killed between 9%-11% of the population so how much more should we have killed for this plan to work?

Destroy it the same as we did Germany.

 

[Loiosh]

So your choice is to let people attack and kill US citizens in the US and do nothing.

Not at all, and that doesn't answer my questions.

You don't win this kind of fight by leveling cities, that just drives combatants underground and gives them more effective recruiting messaging.

This isn't Germany, completely reliant on industry and conventional weaponry.

Even with nuclear dominance it almost failed against Japan, whose military leaders would have spent as many civilians as necessary to exhaust the Allies' will to fight. Hirohito stepped in and surrendered, but it was close.

What's your plan and how does it end?

 

[Loiosh]

impossible for deep state rats who want endless wars. This shit wouldn't be happing if trump was president, you best believe that.

You didn't address a single thing I said.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Destroy it the same as we did Germany.

The USSR tried that and it didn't work, I mean they're literally the ones who originally terrorized the Germans and even they couldn't get the job done in Afghanistan. What more proof do you want that its more complicated than "Just kill them and blow them up"?

 

[oldshadow]

Not at all, and that doesn't answer my questions.

You don't win this kind of fight by leveling cities, that just drives combatants underground and gives them more effective recruiting messaging.

This isn't Germany, completely reliant on industry and conventional weaponry.

Even with nuclear dominance it almost failed against Japan, whose military leaders would have spent as many civilians as necessary to exhaust the Allies' will to fight. Hirohito stepped in and surrendered, but it was close.

What's your plan and how does it end?

It depends on what you are willing to do and the requirement might be to level the country then hunt down people. It ends with us just walking away not trying to rebuild anything.

 

[oldshadow]

The USSR tried that and it didn't work, I mean they're literally the ones who originally terrorized the Germans and even they couldn't get the job done in Afghanistan. What more proof do you want that its more complicated than "Just kill them and blow them up"?

What to take over the country and start a new government. That's not the goal. The only goal would be to destroy the country.

 

[Madmick]

Damn, it's posts like these that age well, don't they?

Horseshit. It's exactly this kind simplistic thinking "America good /Taliban evil" narrative that allowed us to waste 20 years there.

 

[TheGreatA]

Unfortunately this is the cost of losing a war to a medieval group of terrorists.

 

[cincymma79]

Why can’t we just leave to live in their clearly superior Islamic way? You want women just walking around and going to school? That’s horrible.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What to take over the country and start a new government. That's not the goal. The only goal would be to destroy the country.

 

[Be the ball]

You can't be serious.

Trump set an impossible deadline, withdrew so many troops it was impossible to manage a safe withdrawal, brought no equipment back and then started complaining immediately about the equipment Biden left behind.

Trump made no plans to evacuate the civilians. Biden announced the evacuation immediately and urged people to start leaving. He gave people months to get out and the closer he got to the deadline, the more urgent his messaging got. The entire last month he offered to fly people out for free.

Democrats pushed to expedite visas for Afghani allies but the GOP blocked them, leaving them to the wolves.

Obama (through Biden) left $80 billion dollars of american taxpayer funded military equipment to his Muslim brothers.

What....you don't think this was intentionally done?

 

[cincymma79]

Obama (through Biden) left $80 billion dollars of american taxpayer funded military equipment to his Muslim brothers.

What....you don't think this was intentionally done?

Biden was powerless to stop this. Trump did it. Just because he undid all of trumps other deals and bragged about it while they crushed the middle class again doesn’t mean that this line item was something he could have chosen to undo as well (forgetting of course that there were conditions that and to be met in order for the timeline to apply)

 

[StocktonMuhfuh]

What cities do you have in mind? 80% of the population lives in rural areas btw.

Just to reiterate, the USSR killed between 9%-11% of the population so how much more should we have killed for this plan to work?

We shouldn't have killed any. Not a single 9/11 hijacker was Afghan or Iraqi. Most were Saudi Arabian or from the UAE. One was Egyptian.

 

[Arkain2K]

I feel bad for Afghanistan, and particularly the ladies. But honestly, they need to deal with their own shit. While it's certainly clear the US did them no favors, the fucking second they had to stand on their own 2 feet, they allowed a less well equipped regime a fraction of their size run them completely over. Why???
Because the less well equipped regime was more organized and more committed. And they were soft, apathetic, and completely riddled with corruption.

Afghans can rid themselves of the Taliban for good and all any time they want. By most accounts, the Taliban is less than 1% of the population. 70% of Afghanistan is under 30 and diametrically opposed to the Taliban regime. Nearly 100% of the places in the world that have real, enduring freedom took it for themselves. It was not handed to them.

Not much to disagree here, really.

It's rather amusing to watch Democrats and Republicans pointing fingers at each other for the U.S finally withdrawing from Afghanistan, but the simple fact of the matter is this: if only a small fraction of the Afghan population actually cares about the future of their country, they wouldn't be "overrun" by a handful of cavemen that made up less than 1% of their population. Long and enduring Freedom can't actually be given, it needs to be earned by those who values it enough to defend it.

The only regrets I have is that we gave all that weaponry to the Afghan Army who then promptly deserted and left all of it for the Taliban even faster the Iraqi Army abandoning Mosul and leaving all their weapons, humvees, and tanks for a handful of ISIS guys on Toyota Hilux.

Should have just opened the armory and give all the weapons to any of the 40 Million Afghan civilians who wish to fight against the ragtag band of Talibans on pickup trucks that ends up taking Kabul with zero resistance. That way, the few anti-Taliban Afghan Resistance remaining today can't complain that the Taliban have better weapons than they do.

Other than that, I wish the Afghan people the best of luck in the future, and I hope they'll eventually understand that the things that happens to their country today is because of the things they didn't do yesterday. May be then one day they can choose to stand up and fight for what they were previously given and carelessly lost.

 

[7even]

We shouldn't have killed any. Not a single 9/11 hijacker was Afghan or Iraqi. Most were Saudi Arabian or from the UAE. One was Egyptian.

Yeah but Bin Ladin was in Afghanistan being protected and escorted by the Taliban.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I feel bad for Afghanistan, and particularly the ladies. But honestly, they need to deal with their own shit. While it's certainly clear the US did them no favors, the fucking second they had to stand on their own 2 feet, they allowed a less well equipped regime a fraction of their size run them completely over. Why???
Because the less well equipped regime was more organized and more committed. And they were soft, apathetic, and completely riddled with corruption.

Afghans can rid themselves of the Taliban for good and all any time they want. By most accounts, the Taliban is less than 1% of the population. 70% of Afghanistan is under 30 and diametrically opposed to the Taliban regime. Nearly 100% of the places in the world that have real, enduring freedom took it for themselves. It was not handed to them.

Not much to disagree here, really.

It's rather amusing to watch Democrats and Republicans pointing fingers at each other for the U.S finally withdrawing from Afghanistan, but the simple fact of the matter is this: if only a small fraction of the Afghan population actually cares about the future of their country, they wouldn't be "overrun" by a handful of cavemen.

The only regrets I have is that we left all that weaponry to the Afghan Army who then promptly deserted even faster the Iraqi Army abandoning Mosul. Should have just opened the armory and give all the weapons to any of the 40 Million Afghan civilians who wish to fight against the ragtag band of Talibans on pickup trucks that ends up taking Kabul with zero resistance.

Well Afghans saw no reason to fight for the corrupt and nonsensical constitutional order that the US left behind. For instance some Afghan police were bribed with $150 pay outs by the Taliban and this worked because many had not been paid for 6-9 months.

Here's a good Twitter thread on a lot of the shenanigans that went on under the US occupation.