Takedowns without much control time shouldn't get you the round

[ipowerslapmywife]

No they should count but you shouldn’t win the round if the guy pops back up and is winning landing significant shots on the feet

 

[ipowerslapmywife]

Stuffing takedowns should also count

 

[Ares Black]

They weren't much, but they were something, and something is better than nothing.

 

[Dr. Rose]

Takedowns with no control no score, strikes without knockdown - don't score... I say bring back no time limit fights like in pride, two men enters - one leaves... get rid of the judges all together, referee is also redumbnant... all saved money goes towards ring girls, who keep walking for 90 minutes matches, slowly taking their clothes off...

Did PRIDE have fights with no time limits? I thought the early ones had time limits, but they were super long.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Cuddling Allen's bum for 80 seconds after being outstruck for the first 3 minutes and 40 seconds of round 1 shouldn't have won him that round.

Wrestling is part of MMA and Evloev was man handling him in that area, and landing some nice punches in the process. He also threw Allen on his head at one point, and did land a couple of nice jabs in the standup as well.

All I remember from Allen in the 1st was a few decent jabs and one or two decent body shots. Nothing special. No way Allen should ever win that round.

 

[markys00]

You have to do something with a takedown to get points from a takedown

https://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/unified-rules-mma-2019.pdf

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That's not what it says though.

 

[OldBoy91]

Wrestling is part of MMA and Evloev was man handling him in that area, and landing some nice punches in the process. He also threw Allen on his head at one point, and did land a couple of nice jabs in the standup as well.

All I remember from Allen in the 1st was a few decent jabs and one or two decent body shots. Nothing special. No way Allen should ever win that round.

Find a new sport if you enjoy bum cuddling.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Find a new sport if you enjoy bum cuddling.

Find a new sport if you don't enjoy bum cuddling

 

[Dorkman]

Just a standard takedown shouldn't be worth a lot if anything at all without following control, or damage. Big heavy slam takedowns should definitely score you some damage points. Getting powerslammed into the mat does real internal damage, and has stopped fights many a time. But none of DDP's takedowns were of that nature.

 

[OldBoy91]

Find a new sport if you don't enjoy bum cuddling

Nah I'm good with MMA. Bum cuddling doesn't score according to the actual scoring criteria.

Judges being lame is all, you don't know how to score fights either, but you sure do enjoy your bum cuddling.

 

[Espresso]

Cruz Dillashaw is the best example of ineffective takedowns winning a belt.

Iirc 5 tds for a total of 15 seconds control time and no strikes.

Petr Yan vs Aljo 1

 

[markg171]

They're worth more than failing to defend them

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

They don't get you the round. Takedowns without damage or improved position are scored as control which is "Plan C". That's why takedowns don't win rounds anymore like they used to. You have to actually do something with them.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Nah I'm good with MMA. Bum cuddling doesn't score according to the actual scoring criteria.

Judges being lame is all, you don't know how to score fights either, but you sure do enjoy your bum cuddling.

I'm glad all three judges agree the guy who threw the other on his head, landed more, and had more control time won the round

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Where does it stop though? If a takedown doesn't score because it doesn't lead to anything fight ending, why is holding the centre of the ring / forward advancement score? Why does an unsuccessful guillotine score? Why does holding someone against the cage score? Why does holding someone at bay with a few jabs score? Why does sitting with back control doing a bit of hand wrestling score?

If you use a technique within the rules that your opponent has been unsuccessful in defending against and it presents a chance of being in a dominant or fight ending position for a time (even if unsuccessfully) it should score

I don't think it should be a significant/decisive criteria but if everything is more or less even then it's hard to argue against someone being unable to stop another man from lifting him off his feet and dumping him onto the ground as being in a lesser position score wise

Successful manoeuvre Vs unsuccessful defence is a point scoring advantage whether it's fun or exciting or not

None of what you stated "Score" on their own. Striking is the main scoring criteria. If striking is slightly in favour of fighter X and fighter Y shoots for a TD with 45-60 seconds left (like DDP did) and gets it but secures nothing (not even throwing a punch) and fighter X stands up immediately it should score the same as throwing a punch and whiffing but forcing your opponent to move out of the way.

Scoring a TD and securing back control and fishing for a RNC for half the round (such as Islam vs Volk) absolutely counts and would win a round if striking was even. A TD is not a successful maneuver in and of itself in MMA. It is in wrestling but so is getting your opponents shoulders to touch the mat. MMA is not wrestling.

 

[OldBoy91]

I'm glad all three judges agree the guy who threw the other on his head, landed more, and had more control time won the round

Yeah, like I said, you and they don't know how to score fights.

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Yeah, like I said, you and they don't know how to score fights.

Tell me what exactly I'm missing then?

 

[Joshuaace]

Find a new sport if you enjoy bum cuddling.

Find a new sport if you don't enjoy bum cuddling

Forget sports. Where do I sign up for this bum cuddling ya'll talking about?

 

[Gamer2k4]

Many disagree with me here but stuffing a takedown for me should count.. You have a guy go 2 for 10 in takedowns and the guy gets credit for the 2 but no credit for the 8 stuffed takedowns. Getting a takedown or stuffing a takedown are both versions of controling where the fight takes place.

Next you'll say that a person should get credit for blocking strikes.

 

[OldBoy91]

Tell me what exactly I'm missing then?

Takedowns where the opponent gets back up immediately is neither control time nor effective grappling, it does not score.

Evloev landing 13 strikes to Allen's 12 is completely irrelevant because stats are meaningless. Not even getting into the fact that the official stats the UFC and comubox put out are almost always wrong.

All of Evloev's strikes were jabs, many of which didn't even land cleanly. Allen landed his own jab which actually knocked Evloev's head back each time, sweeping left hooks to the body, left straights to the head and left overhands.

Those strikes were the difference maker in the round, not Evloev hanging on to Allen's butt and tripping him only for Allen to get right back up and elbow Movsar in the head.