Takedowns against shorter guys

[pesadissimo]

I just finished reading the thread about throws against taller guys, and I'm in agreement with the concept that a shorter guy has a bio mechanical advantage in that he can get his hips under a taller guy. So now I pose the corollary to that question. Being 6'7", I don't often get to enjoy the physics of getting my hips under my opponent's.

My personal go to's at this point in my game are snap downs, o soto gari, kouchi gari, and body locks if I can take the back standing. What takedowns do you guys like to use against shorter opponents?

 

[lechien]

Head snap down, sprawl on top and take the back.

 

[pesadissimo]

That's 90% of my takedown game. I feel so one dimensional lol.

 

[lechien]

so my guess is that the remaining 10% is arm drag.

 

[pesadissimo]

No, trips and sweeps for the most part.

 

[TheeFaulted]

Ankle pick all day.

 

[grecobjj]

im not tall (at all)......wouldn't you be able to do head throws , hip tosses, and ankle picks well tho? all seem to favor lankier guys

a good sprawl would be just as effectivein getting it to mat.....

 

[BareKnucklez**]

Why would you want to take people down? You could probably hit them from the other side of the cage.

 

[youngsteinel]

Snap downs, front headlocks, knee picks, snatch singles, and ankle picks. All of these attacks have little risk.

Snatch single, ankle pick, and knee pick both require little risk and work with your length. A snap down is easy because the opponents are shorter than you so it is easier to get them underneath. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Hope this helps.

 

[Dirty Holt]

Snap downs, front headlocks, knee picks, snatch singles, and ankle picks. All of these attacks have little risk.

Snatch single, ankle pick, and knee pick both require little risk and work with your length. A snap down is easy because the opponents are shorter than you so it is easier to get them underneath. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Hope this helps.

All day. To make it simpler, you need to figure out takedowns where the set ups use your length. You need to be able to unbalance him and take him out of position where he cannot do the same to you. The easiest ways to do this are mentioned above, but there are literally hundreds of takedowns and set ups that you can get good at if you only subscribe to unbalancing and out positioning with your length. 6'7'' should be any short persons nightmare to take down.

 

[oyaji poi]

This series was very helpful, in particular the "spiral takedown". The knee tap I didn't have as much success with on its own but it was great for off-balancing the opponent.


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[Soul Rebel 2]

Why would you want to take people down? You could probably hit them from the other side of the cage.

Who said he does MMA? Even if he did it would still be in his best interest to develop a good offensive takedown game.

 

[pesadissimo]

All day. To make it simpler, you need to figure out takedowns where the set ups use your length. You need to be able to unbalance him and take him out of position where he cannot do the same to you. The easiest ways to do this are mentioned above, but there are literally hundreds of takedowns and set ups that you can get good at if you only subscribe to unbalancing and out positioning with your length. 6'7'' should be any short persons nightmare to take down.

Here's a question. Often times I find the other guy retreating and backing away from me because they don't want to tie up with a guy my size. If I can get a hold of them first, it kinda helps set up my snap downs. But if they're really trying hard not to engage, I get stupid (over and over again....d'oh!) and overreach, leaving myself vulnerable to duck unders, arm drags, etc. If I tie up with him and he's backing his hips away, I'll just yoke him up and that brings his hips closer so I can attack. But what would you do to set up a takedown on a retreating opponent?

 

[Obscure Terror]

Here's a question. Often times I find the other guy retreating and backing away from me because they don't want to tie up with a guy my size. If I can get a hold of them first, it kinda helps set up my snap downs. But if they're really trying hard not to engage, I get stupid (over and over again....d'oh!) and overreach, leaving myself vulnerable to duck unders, arm drags, etc. If I tie up with him and he's backing his hips away, I'll just yoke him up and that brings his hips closer so I can attack. But what would you do to set up a takedown on a retreating opponent?

I have the same issue being tall. You can stand in the middle of the mat and the ref will tell him to engage if nothing else. But reaching out does open you up, this is how I get caught all the time.

 

[Einarr]

Footsweeps, Harai Goshi, leggy Uchi Matas. At 6'7" Harai Goshi is going to be your throw.

 

[joeytriangles]

Footsweeps, Harai Goshi, leggy Uchi Matas. At 6'7" Harai Goshi is going to be your throw.

Dear Lord yes.

 

[Dirty Holt]

Here's a question. Often times I find the other guy retreating and backing away from me because they don't want to tie up with a guy my size. If I can get a hold of them first, it kinda helps set up my snap downs. But if they're really trying hard not to engage, I get stupid (over and over again....d'oh!) and overreach, leaving myself vulnerable to duck unders, arm drags, etc. If I tie up with him and he's backing his hips away, I'll just yoke him up and that brings his hips closer so I can attack. But what would you do to set up a takedown on a retreating opponent?

This is going to happen a lot. The reason is that you are probably already using your height as an advantage. When I was wrestling, I had no shame in getting the fuck out of there when I was wrestling guys over 6' and they started to set up.

Snapping down an oppenent when they are moving backwards is very difficult. Same with arm drags, throws of any kind, and low level shots. However, ankle picks and knee picks become much easier. Timing their steps to set up and launch attacks is really all you have to be concerned with having such a great reach advantage.

The main issue is your confidence and patience. The reason why very good wrestlers can sit on the couch for 3 years and walk into a college room and kick the shit out of everyone is that they understand position and patience. Frustrating a guy into giving you the takedown is a much better strategy than forcing your offense and getting over anxious; it just takes longer and requires more patience.

 

[Torre]

Head snap down, sprawl on top and take the back.

so my guess is that the remaining 10% is arm drag.

Haha, you just nailed my complete takedown "game" (I'm 6'9").

 

[futang17]

longer legs than the other guy? tai otoshi and sasae tsurikomi ashi

 

[Chungungo]

Snap downs, front headlocks, knee picks, snatch singles, and ankle picks. All of these attacks have little risk.

Snatch single, ankle pick, and knee pick both require little risk and work with your length. A snap down is easy because the opponents are shorter than you so it is easier to get them underneath. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Hope this helps.

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