Takedowns against shorter guys

Dirty Holt said:
Being a short muscular guy on his way to being short and fat, my main techniques are variations off of outside step ducks. This is one of my main attacks, and I will be doing a video series on it here in about a week.
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Yes please :icon_chee
 
As a short guy, I've noticed that I'm unfortunately susceptible to all kinds of footsweeps and uchi mata.
 
Dirty Holt said:
Being a short muscular guy on his way to being short and fat, my main techniques are variations off of outside step ducks. This is one of my main attacks, and I will be doing a video series on it here in about a week.

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Te Guruma is great but I meant against haha, anyway here I am a tall guy with 1,78-1,80cm, when I lived in Canada I was kind of normal...
 
While in "rookie judo" small guys have the advantage the higher the level the more height is an advantage, since you will have a huge advantage because grip fights matter more.

Anyway, uchimata, haraigoshi, osoto gari, ouchi gari and kouchi gari, if its in BJJ then when your opponent throws his hips pull him into a front headlock.
 
Dirty Holt said:
This is going to happen a lot. The reason is that you are probably already using your height as an advantage. When I was wrestling, I had no shame in getting the fuck out of there when I was wrestling guys over 6' and they started to set up.

Snapping down an oppenent when they are moving backwards is very difficult. Same with arm drags, throws of any kind, and low level shots. However, ankle picks and knee picks become much easier. Timing their steps to set up and launch attacks is really all you have to be concerned with having such a great reach advantage.

The main issue is your confidence and patience. The reason why very good wrestlers can sit on the couch for 3 years and walk into a college room and kick the shit out of everyone is that they understand position and patience. Frustrating a guy into giving you the takedown is a much better strategy than forcing your offense and getting over anxious; it just takes longer and requires more patience.
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good stuff here. Let me add a couple things:
1. feint an opening, encouraging your opponent to take a shot. Reach for him on purpose, exposing your legs. But, be ready for the shot and be ready for a monster sprawl. When he shoots, commit to the head-snap. I guess what I'm saying is do what you can to encourage him to shoot, and then move defensively.

2. when people back away from me, I start tying up wrists and look for a Russian tie. a good Russian will keep your opponent from backing out. Russians are typically shown when a guy reaches for a collar tie, but you can also get one by locking up his wrist (i.e. grab his right wrist with your right hand), pulling down and across, and securing high with your other arm. I'm not sure how y'all prefer to finish a Russian, but it might be something you can play with.
 
futang17 said:
I actually broke my friend's ankle on a freak tani otoshi accident. his foot planted on the mat and as i dropped his body twist one way but the foot didn't. hairline fracture, out for 3 months. I was scared as hell as I thought it was his knee.
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ONe of my friends, a brown superlight belt got a twisted knee by a newbie, whenever I feel the tani Otoshi counter I let myself go, pride is not worth it.
 
Rod1 said:
While in "rookie judo" small guys have the advantage the higher the level the more height is an advantage, since you will have a huge advantage because grip fights matter more.

Anyway, uchimata, haraigoshi, osoto gari, ouchi gari and kouchi gari, if its in BJJ then when your opponent throws his hips pull him into a front headlock.
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Do you have more info about the first?
I read once about that because I started in judo in 2007, let it for BJJ and grappling for a few years and took it back seriously at the end of 2012 and I have always seen more talented small guys than bigger ones, anyway I always was ok with grip fighting and I seem to complicate a lot of those small guys with higher belts but never heard the source...

Do you mean when they adopt the defensive posture in BJJ or when they shoot?
Sorry, english is not my native language---
 
mwill07 said:
2. when people back away from me, I start tying up wrists and look for a Russian tie. a good Russian will keep your opponent from backing out. Russians are typically shown when a guy reaches for a collar tie, but you can also get one by locking up his wrist (i.e. grab his right wrist with your right hand), pulling down and across, and securing high with your other arm. I'm not sure how y'all prefer to finish a Russian, but it might be something you can play with.
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As a tall guy myself I like to hit Sumi Gaeshi from there. In fact here's a video of me doing it in competition.

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And of course i love the usual "tall man throws" everyone else mentioned, especially Osoto.
 
Chungungo said:
Do you have more info about the first?
I read once about that because I started in judo in 2007, let it for BJJ and grappling for a few years and took it back seriously at the end of 2012 and I have always seen more talented small guys than bigger ones, anyway I always was ok with grip fighting and I seem to complicate a lot of those small guys with higher belts but never heard the source...

Do you mean when they adopt the defensive posture in BJJ or when they shoot?
Sorry, english is not my native language---
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Its not really that complicated, throws require dominant, deep grips, taller guys with longer limbs have an easier time getting them and people have a harder time getting them against them.

Just look at how easily Teddy Riner gets his grips.
 
pesadissimo said:
Here's a question. Often times I find the other guy retreating and backing away from me because they don't want to tie up with a guy my size. If I can get a hold of them first, it kinda helps set up my snap downs. But if they're really trying hard not to engage, I get stupid (over and over again....d'oh!) and overreach, leaving myself vulnerable to duck unders, arm drags, etc. If I tie up with him and he's backing his hips away, I'll just yoke him up and that brings his hips closer so I can attack. But what would you do to set up a takedown on a retreating opponent?
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You have to cut off the ring. A lot of it is footwork, just don't let him circle out. You can get closer without rushing in, but you have to force him to play on the edge of the mat if he's running away from engagement. This happens a lot in Judo so you could watch that, though personally I think boxers are the best at it and the basic idea is pretty similar in grappling (since it's prior to clinching anyway).
 
Dirty Holt said:
Being a short muscular guy on his way to being short and fat, my main techniques are variations off of outside step ducks. This is one of my main attacks, and I will be doing a video series on it here in about a week.

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Kind of in the same family for tall guys?

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Dirty Holt said:
All day. To make it simpler, you need to figure out takedowns where the set ups use your length. You need to be able to unbalance him and take him out of position where he cannot do the same to you. The easiest ways to do this are mentioned above, but there are literally hundreds of takedowns and set ups that you can get good at if you only subscribe to unbalancing and out positioning with your length. 6'7'' should be any short persons nightmare to take down.
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Can you recommend a good video showing the "Snap Single" ? I never heard the term and am 6'2" so my single entrances are limited on shorter guys. Any help is appreciated.
 
To OP:

I'm 6'2" and 175 lbs. I hate shooting doubles (with the exception of the arm drag - double that MG does).
But I have a lot of success with (if you don't know the Japanese terms, this will be largely useless but it's how i learned them) :

-Harai Goshi
Both Gi and Nogi, from an overhook (or belt grip for Gi BJJ). Monitor their free arm so they dont get their hands together and be sure to dip your upper body down as you bring your throw-leg up high. God damn that shit is fun.

-Hand-assist Uchi Mata.
Also from overhook. If they are able to stay standing then I hop right into the Harai Goshi.

-Sumi Gaeshi
More height means easier to get your chest over their shoulder and keep them crunched over for a slick sumi gaeshi.

-Kouchi gari
Long legs, namean?
 
Chungungo said:
ONe of my friends, a brown superlight belt got a twisted knee by a newbie, whenever I feel the tani Otoshi counter I let myself go, pride is not worth it.
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There's a guy who refuses to take a fall. His rationale is "i'm trying to get better". One time I threw him with a sumi gaeshi and he twisted and contorted all the way down, he jumps up and said "you gotta finish the throw". I said "F you, i'm not sparring with you anymore. You're either gonna hurt yourself or get me hurt". And that was that. I always take the fall. It's randori, check your ego.
 
ganssle said:
Can you recommend a good video showing the "Snap Single" ? I never heard the term and am 6'2" so my single entrances are limited on shorter guys. Any help is appreciated.
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You are combining the names of two moves.

Snap down
Snatch single

Both have hundreds of videos on youtube.
 
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