Taekwondo is super disrespected

[Royce Greasy]

Alright so there is a Youtuber who does a ranking of martial arts for how they would fare on the street, he also has a guest doing the breakdown with him.


What I find annoying and absolutely ignorant is how they all simply discount and disregard styles like Karate, TKD, Jeet Kune Do etc, fukking ignorant A'holes that watch too much UFC and they rank Muay Thai so high now if you want to claim its the best striking style that's fine but putting above BJJ that' bullshit there isn't any grappling its strickly a stand up style sure there's clinch and some sweeps but to think that's enough to say its got enough grappling I'll put it above BJJ is downright delusional.

So during this ranking they get down to TKD and the guy immediately gives it an F which is the lowest all the while ranking Karate a C plus, here's my big problem with that I have a BB in TKD from like over 20 years ago and I also have a purple in BJJ from when I trained last in the early 2010's, these rankings they were doing was for effectiveness on the street btw I just so happened to use my TKD in a real life fight a very bizarre and crazy situation that I will explain in the next paragraph.


In 2000 I was testing for my black stripe it was a 3 and half hour testing and at the end we all have to spar for 5 minutes, this sparring btw going off of other testings is no different from regular sparring during a normal class it's definitely hard but people are respectful. So my turn comes to spar and I'm paired with a guy I've never seen before because he was from an ITF school but some how was allowed to test at our WTF school, I was 16 and this guy is 30 I would say
as soon as we start and get within striking range he goes motherfukker and sucker punches me and it lands as I'm not expecting a punch to the face because it's not allowed in TKD so I thought Ok that was accident due to adrenaline yet he does it again and is super aggressive, at this point it's obvious this guy is a psycho this is all occurring in front of 30 people plus the master and he lets it go on I'm confused but my instinct is to begin countering with back kicks since this guy is trying to KO me with straight rights down the pipe, he had me back peddling so aggressive at the same time I was landing some back kicks which are extremely powerful by the end I had slowed him down and injured his leg, I was too exhausted to capitalize on it but after about 7 minutes it was stopped.



Sorry for the big wall of text, the point here is that I had someone who wasn't even using TKD just trying to KO me like a thug on the street, this wasn't a slouch by any means this dude was in shape and while he did do some damage it was with sucker punches I wasn't expecting as soon as I began using counters not only did it protect and save my ass it inflicted serious damage on him as well, that is a real life story and testing the skills I had at the time so to say ignorant shit like TKD that's completely useless for real life street scenarios is complete bullshit and beyond ignorant to say the least.


Another thing if anyone can remember Vitor Belfort had some of the scariest punching speed ever imo he would just shred guys, in his fight with Sakuraba he was defeated basically by getting countered from back kicks, Sakuraba a great game planner knew what to expect and used those techniques from TKD to counter the straight blast from Belfort that ultimately won him the fight. I'm not saying TKD is a great style for mma but to be so ignorant and opinionated to think it doesn't work in real life situations is naive, the stuff that doesn't work in it is the flashy jump 360's that higher BB use the basic kicks are the effective techniques.


On a final note my BJJ club the people were super friendly and respectful and a great atmosphere. TKD on the other hand was not the case the people while not as practical at combat were tougher mentality, people regularly got black eyes, broken noses and sometimes KO's and even concussions occurred, I'll never forget when a younger guy that was gung ho that he was training decided to go to the sparring class where 20 people stand parallel to each other and face up and begin sparring, I warned him against doing this he was saying how am I gonna know how good I am meanwhile we already spar during class to make a long story short I watch from a seating area this guy get the absolute crap beat out of him bloody nose just messed shortly after he quit. The sparring contrary to what some dumb ass people was very hard and the chance for injury was great, was it as effective as BJJ absolutely not however to think it has no self defense value is absurd.

 

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This Korean sent a boxer into ICU with a spinning hook kick. The boxer threatened to kill him.

 

[wwkirk]

Instead of just ranking various martial arts, why don't they have matches or tournaments among qualified practitioners? Style vs style is how MMA got started.

 

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Instead of just ranking various martial arts, why don't they have matches or tournaments among qualified practitioners? Style vs style is how MMA got started.

Big fighters get much more money to fight their own sport. There is no reward.

 

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Alright so there is a Youtuber who does a ranking of martial arts for how they would fare on the street, he also has a guest doing the breakdown with him.


What I find annoying and absolutely ignorant is how they all simply discount and disregard styles like Karate, TKD, Jeet Kune Do etc, fukking ignorant A'holes that watch too much UFC and they rank Muay Thai so high now if you want to claim its the best striking style that's fine but putting above BJJ that' bullshit there isn't any grappling its strickly a stand up style sure there's clinch and some sweeps but to think that's enough to say its got enough grappling I'll put it above BJJ is downright delusional.

So during this ranking they get down to TKD and the guy immediately gives it an F which is the lowest all the while ranking Karate a C plus, here's my big problem with that I have a BB in TKD from like over 20 years ago and I also have a purple in BJJ from when I trained last in the early 2010's, these rankings they were doing was for effectiveness on the street btw I just so happened to use my TKD in a real life fight a very bizarre and crazy situation that I will explain in the next paragraph.


In 2000 I was testing for my black stripe it was a 3 and half hour testing and at the end we all have to spar for 5 minutes, this sparring btw going off of other testings is no different from regular sparring during a normal class it's definitely hard but people are respectful. So my turn comes to spar and I'm paired with a guy I've never seen before because he was from an ITF school but some how was allowed to test at our WTF school, I was 16 and this guy is 30 I would say
as soon as we start and get within striking range he goes motherfukker and sucker punches me and it lands as I'm not expecting a punch to the face because it's not allowed in TKD so I thought Ok that was accident due to adrenaline yet he does it again and is super aggressive, at this point it's obvious this guy is a psycho this is all occurring in front of 30 people plus the master and he lets it go on I'm confused but my instinct is to begin countering with back kicks since this guy is trying to KO me with straight rights down the pipe, he had me back peddling so aggressive at the same time I was landing some back kicks which are extremely powerful by the end I had slowed him down and injured his leg, I was too exhausted to capitalize on it but after about 7 minutes it was stopped.



Sorry for the big wall of text, the point here is that I had someone who wasn't even using TKD just trying to KO me like a thug on the street, this wasn't a slouch by any means this dude was in shape and while he did do some damage it was with sucker punches I wasn't expecting as soon as I began using counters not only did it protect and save my ass it inflicted serious damage on him as well, that is a real life story and testing the skills I had at the time so to say ignorant shit like TKD that's completely useless for real life street scenarios is complete bullshit and beyond ignorant to say the least.


Another thing if anyone can remember Vitor Belfort had some of the scariest punching speed ever imo he would just shred guys, in his fight with Sakuraba he was defeated basically by getting countered from back kicks, Sakuraba a great game planner knew what to expect and used those techniques from TKD to counter the straight blast from Belfort that ultimately won him the fight. I'm not saying TKD is a great style for mma but to be so ignorant and opinionated to think it doesn't work in real life situations is naive, the stuff that doesn't work in it is the flashy jump 360's that higher BB use the basic kicks are the effective techniques.


On a final note my BJJ club the people were super friendly and respectful and a great atmosphere. TKD on the other hand was not the case the people while not as practical at combat were tougher mentality, people regularly got black eyes, broken noses and sometimes KO's and even concussions occurred, I'll never forget when a younger guy that was gung ho that he was training decided to go to the sparring class where 20 people stand parallel to each other and face up and begin sparring, I warned him against doing this he was saying how am I gonna know how good I am meanwhile we already spar during class to make a long story short I watch from a seating area this guy get the absolute crap beat out of him bloody nose just messed shortly after he quit. The sparring contrary to what some dumb ass people was very hard and the chance for injury was great, was it as effective as BJJ absolutely not however to think it has no self defense value is absurd.

Dude if the guy had an ITF background they punched to the face. So yes, that is TKD

 

[Royce Greasy]

Dude if the guy had an ITF background they punched to the face. So yes, that is TKD

Did you read my comment it was a WTF school and there is no punching to the face, you can strike to the face with a gloved hand and not full-forced blows in ITF also this was WTF kind of bullshit if not informing someone of the rules before sparring that's kind of fukking bullshit and it was barefist punches that isn't allowed.

 

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Did you read my comment it was a WTF school and there is no punching to the face, you can strike to the face with a gloved hand and not full-forced blows in ITF also this was WTF kind of bullshit if not informing someone of the rules before sparring that's kind of fukking bullshit and it was barefist punches that isn't allowed.

Okey who the guys giving Taekwondo F? That bald midget icey mike?

 

[Royce Greasy]

Okey who the guys giving Taekwondo F? That bald midget icey mike?

Yes icy Mike was the guest and yes it was him. On another point I never thought too much about ITF TKD because honestly it's not all that common anymore but yes it should be stated that real TKD allows strikes to the face that's pretty amazing and would make it a complete striking style but most times you find those schools in countries like Mexico not all that common in North America anymore. Here's the thing I like the idea of that strikes to the face if the rules are made clear before hand and there's gloves.

 

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Yes icy Mike was the guest and yes it was him

Hes never taken it. Who cares

 

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@wwkirk

 

[ferrisjso]

Its because like 20 years ago it was very overrated and a large segment of the US population invested time and resources into it that wasn't warranted. Back in the day Taekwondo was THE martial art in the US and the rise of MMA kind of makes that look silly in hindsight.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Hes never taken it. Who cares

Its not so much his opinion that bothers me, its the overall thoughts and opinions as a whole in the mma community and to a lesser extent self-defense practitioners/instructors.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Its because like 20 years ago it was very overrated and a large segment of the US population invested time and resources into it that wasn't warranted.

I'd say that more describes Karate than TKD but I see what you're saying.

 

[noc]

Its not so much his opinion that bothers me, its the overall thoughts and opinions as a whole in the mma community and to a lesser extent self-defense practitioners/instructors.

It's the fault of the WT and ITF officials, they need to make changes, Karate people too

Forget forms and hitting air in military like formations, do full contact kicking.. the WT kicks combined with Boxing fundamentals is a great style. But TKD should have tournaments of just kicking

 

[Royce Greasy]

It's the fault of the WT and ITF officials, they need to make changes, Karate people too

Forget forms and hitting air in military like formations, do full contact kicking.. the WT kicks combined with Boxing fundamentals is a great style. But TKD should have tournaments of just kicking

You're right I had to memorize so many of those useless forms it was actually nerve racking because they would get pissed if you forgot a movement, the sparring was serious though too bad we never had gloves so we could punch, I would never waste time nowadays learning Karate or TKD for the fact that they have kata or forms they really need to get rid of that and modernize the style for reality.

 

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Its not so much his opinion that bothers me, its the overall thoughts and opinions as a whole in the mma community and to a lesser extent self-defense practitioners/instructors.

In my experience, the vast majority of Taekwondo practitioners can't fight. So that has to be blamed on the culture of the art. And since the culture is what defines the training and the training defines the art, an F is an arguable stance.

 

[pugilistico]

I took TKD for about a year because at the time, it was the only martial art available. The 5 dan black belt was a guy so fat it took him forever to walk up the stairs. They gave out belts for effort during best tests. You don't have to actually break the board, just make sure try hard enough. In my first ever class, I did some light sparring with a guy who was getting ready for his black belt test, and we were even. There is something wrong when a complete noob is standing his ground against a guy who's more experienced. And this is at a time when I didn't have my boxing or MY experience. I did karate was a kid for a few months prior to his.

This is why TKD gets no respect. I had a friend who was pretty high level in TKD and he really hated how it attracted unfit weebs and dorks obsessed with Asian mysticism.

 

[NoSmilez]

TKD is more or less Shotokan karate. I don't think having a "hardcore" school is good for their business model. Most TMA martial arts schools are kind of after hour school/daycare programs. They make their money catering to children and teenagers.

TKD in America focuses on WTF type sparring. It's not good for fighting but you can use it as a base to learn something else.

 

[Royce Greasy]

In my experience, the vast majority of Taekwondo practitioners can't fight. So that has to be blamed on the culture of the art. And since the culture is what defines the training and the training defines the art, an F is an arguable stance.

The criteria for judging it was self defense, I already explained my situation and experience of having someone trying to KO me and they couldn't because they were eating back kicks all day.


TKD is misused because the higher belt ranks actually are the problem the Olympic guys that everyone thinks are so good, these guys are bouncing around doing jump 360s all of that stuff misses, its the basic techniques that are effective the so-called advanced techniques are useless flashy garbage. Cung le whether people want to believe it or not uses so much TKD but people will scream it's San Shou when literally every kick is from TKD, its even more evident as Le is a BB in TKD so it all makes sense and he uses the basics not flashy jump 360s, the philosophy is bad TKD should be used at a much slower pace let the opponent run into your back kick just like when Sakuraba fought Belfort in Pride he shut him down with one technique.