Social Sweden. Update: Came in Ferrari - applied for social benefits

[surrealworlds]

They like to shit on Sweden but forget it's still a paradise when compared to US crime and murder stats. Poverty stats. Healthcare stats. Income equality stats. Social mobility stats. Pretty much every stat.

Yeah but stats only paint half the picture. Here in the U.S. we have "no-go zones" in almost every city but it doesnt matter because the u.s. is so big you can drive 40 minutes and be in complete wilderness if you want.
This is off topic though just had to stand up for my red,white and blue a bit.

Also Sweden has always looked beautiful from far, i truly hope the stories are exaggerations. It would be nice to visit someday but i dont want my woman getting raped while im there.

 

[NoDak]

Yeah but stats only paint half the picture. Here in the U.S. we have "no-go zones" in almost every city but it doesnt matter because the u.s. is so big you can drive 40 minutes and be in complete wilderness if you want.
This is off topic though just had to stand up for my red,white and blue a bit.

Also Sweden has always looked beautiful from far, i truly hope the stories are exaggerations. It would be nice to visit someday but i dont want my woman getting raped while im there.

Go to Norway instead.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Should we really drive off to the ways of self-glorification? You know, - What was I saying all the time? Why didn't anyone listen to my future descriptions?

Is that where the War room mentality is? A crowd of people who come here to get confirmation for their true world view? A group that refuses to listen and gain perspective than one's own? You use the same rhetoric as SD (the right wing party of sweden). They are there now, trying to fish the legitimate gratitude that they exist and that they are the protectors of our country. I reject this mentality and I am contrary to these values a man who wants to give others a chance and not close the doors of those who are less fortunate than me.

This misconception that what is not one's own must be fought with the greatest means. Is it such a hateful world you want to live in?

Have you ever posted a pic of yourself? I get the felling you arent ethnically Swedish. It's possible, but I'm on the fence.

 

[NoDak]

Have you ever posted a pic of yourself? I get the felling you arent ethnically Swedish. It's possible, but I'm on the fence.

He is.

 

[Prutfis]

Yeah but stats only paint half the picture. Here in the U.S. we have "no-go zones" in almost every city but it doesnt matter because the u.s. is so big you can drive 40 minutes and be in complete wilderness if you want.
This is off topic though just had to stand up for my red,white and blue a bit.

Also Sweden has always looked beautiful from far, i truly hope the stories are exaggerations. It would be nice to visit someday but i dont want my woman getting raped while im there.

In Sweden you don't even have to drive 40 min for wilderness.
Ain't nobody raping that US hog you call a woman. Cutting her up for a bbq maybe.

 

[ElKarlo]

I partially come here to get an ego boost off the sheer stupidity, and it's actually kind of fun interacting with enemies. There are some intellectually stimulating conversations to be had from time to time.



Even if you were an entirely ethnocentric rabid nationalist, having that sort of mentality fosters a very weak geopolitics game and knowledge base. You aren't doing yourself or your country any favors through ignorance. It's overwhelmingly about identitarianism and social issues in this subforum though, there's very little big picture material that moves real weight.

I come in for the mom jokes. Your mom is so fat, she's considered an ethic group.

 

[NoDak]

I come in for the mom jokes. Your mom is so fat, she's considered an ethic group.

Isn't that more of a Mayberry thing? The hate is strong up in this motherfucker, but that place is just downright childish.

 

[surrealworlds]

In Sweden you don't even have to drive 40 min for wilderness.
Ain't nobody raping that US hog you call a woman. Cutting her up for a bbq maybe.

I hope this is good natured. Personal insults would be just rude since i was trying to be nice.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

Since I don't know which of you or @Blood and Thunder makes the most sense to comment, I choose yours. The other guy reminds me of a spammer. I do not think I have seen you write before and interesting that you are Danish as I welcome more of us Scandinavians in here. Before we continue with an intelligent and hopefully rewarding debate, l want you to explain what you just boldly claimed. If you have taken the time to endeavor to write such offensive statements, then I am grateful for an explanation before proceeding. I also want to give you directions. Read my content in this thread.

Sorry you feel that way

Blood and Thunder is a previous banned user named ODB. He would ask for proof of things like particulars of natural selection, get handed like 10 sources, fail to read them, and then troll, asking people to provide him proof again.

This guy couldn't bring himself to watch a 5 minute PBS kids video on evolution to educate himself, so don't bother.

You still think about me? You lost an argument and now you follow me around claiming I'm ODB. I don't care who you think I am leave me alone.

Many of us in the WR are extremely ethnocentric. Many don't care to look at the world outside. The guy you were talking to, Blood and Thunder, maybe a couple months back, insisted that unless you were going to travel to a place or work there, you didn't need to learn about other countries and cultures. He straight up said this.

I said you don't need to learn about third world cultures. It's not a necessity and immigrants should integrate instead of us having to learn about them and revolve around their culture. I don't care about the world outside yet here I am in a thread about a foreign country. You can stop now.

They like to shit on Sweden but forget it's still a paradise when compared to US crime and murder stats. Poverty stats. Healthcare stats. Income equality stats. Social mobility stats. Pretty much every stat.

Sweden is doomed unless it is liberated. They can't even mount an armed resistance to leftism where at least in the US (Border patrols and militias) you can. The system is great now but it won't be for ever due to immigration and refugees. Sweden should have been a paradise but the left ruined it.

You are correct that everyting isnt peachy in scandinavia.
However Scandinavia still has some of the lowest crime and murder rates in the world.
Highest standard of living with wages to boot.
They are certainly better than the shithole you live in dumbass

Like I said in the previous post things are turning to shit quick and that slice of heaven will turn to hell.

There are more people living in peaceful towns and small cities in the US than there are in Sweden.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Should we really drive off to the ways of self-glorification?

You need to actually try to live your stated values and be open to different perspectives.

My perspective is that of a South African, and so is one that is intimately familiar with the trials and tribulations of attempted mass-integration of cultural opposites from developing-world and developed-world populations. My post was not self-glorification. It was an observation that, at least as far as the list I commented on goes, my perspective of the reality wasn't, and probably still isn't, too far from the reality itself.

Maybe if you and your countrymen/leaders were more open to different perspectives - even those with which you were uncomfortable - you wouldn't be in a deteriorating situation. Maybe if you were not so narrow-minded as to not recognise that fact, you'd be more willing to open your mind now and look for actual solutions.

You know, - What was I saying all the time? Why didn't anyone listen to my future descriptions?

I dimly recall you making accusations of 'racist' and 'new-nazi' when people disagreed with you about the migrant crisis, and the part Sweden was naively playing to try and relieve it. What else were you saying, and was it worth listening to - given what you know now?

No offense, but given the state and context of my nation, and the state and context of yours, I was in a far better position to make predictions than you were.

Is that where the War room mentality is? A crowd of people who come here to get confirmation for their true world view? A group that refuses to listen and gain perspective than one's own?

It's ironic that you make this accusation, considering that this is exactly what you are doing in this post. You're not actually paying attention to what i say, you're simply shutting me down/dismissing what I say because:

You use the same rhetoric as SD (the right wing party of sweden).

...you just lump me in with a group I know next-to nothing about, because I pointed out that I was right 4-6 years ago. Think about that, you are intentionally dismissing someone because they were correct in the past.
Madness.

I reject this mentality and I am contrary to these values a man who wants to give others a chance and not close the doors of those who are less fortunate than me.

Lol. So? What does this have to do with anything?
I'm also a man who gives others a chance and does not close the door on those less fortunate.
However, where you and I differ, is that my conscience is not eased by short-sighted non-solutions that create more problems than they solve.

Closing your eyes and throwing open your door is not charity, nor is it commendable. It's incredibly stupid and dangerous.

This misconception that what is not one's own must be fought with the greatest means. Is it such a hateful world you want to live in?

And again, we're back to this. Your dedication to your own ignorance is unbecoming.

If my mentality were that "what is not one's own must be fought with the greatest means" then I'd probably be dead or, at the very least, destined for a very short life. I'm a white, English-speaking South African - I belong to the 4% minority of a population that I stubbornly refuse to leave, despite rising crime and a collapsing economy. If I hated what was not "my own", I'd probably leave for a whiter country.

The problem you're running into with me is that I'm actually used to being able to have open and honest conversations about race and culture - with people from a number of races and cultures - without accusations of 'hate' and 'racism' being tossed around by idiots.
You're probably so used to being the only white face for miles, that you have no idea what 'different' really means.

 

[Sano]

Everything you've posted in this thread so far is true.
We have 29 ghettoes in Denmark, 15 of those are considered 'hard ghettoes' they fulfil all 5 of 5 criteria for being labelled as such. The most well-known ones, in the 3 biggest Danish cities are
Mjølnerparken (Copenhagen)
Gellerupparken (Århus)
Vollsmose (Odense)
There are many suburban areas, like Brabrand near Århus, where very soon there will be more immigrants than native Danes.
Sweden has 53 'problematic areas' (crime ghettoes) and 15 of these are considered extremely 'problematic'.
Here's a list of their names
https://www.thelocal.se/20170621/no-go-zones-what-you-need-to-know-about-swedens-vulnerable-aeas

I just post these names to you so you have some names for future reference, in case you have the patience for conversations with brainwashed, suicidal 'scandinavians' again.

Oh, and we currently have a muslim population that is closer to 10 %, not the 5 % Sano claims.

Sano may have Denmark as location, Sweede and Chokenakedfront or whatever the heck his name is may have Sweden as location but i can assure you that they are not patriots, maybe not even nationals, or nationals on paper only.
I'm quite certain half the people posing as scandinavians on here (WR) are not ethnically Scandinavian. But they are definitely card-carrying lefty photo-types of the worst kind; god-awful pedants who gets off on piecharts and newspeak, a dead-giveaway. Pointscoring while Europe goes up in flames. They don't give a shit about our future, or the future of Europe. Shameful, really. It gives me pause every single day to know approx. half of my countrymen can't be trusted.

Thanks for taking an interest in our well-being, Blood and Thunder.

https://stiften.dk/aarhus/Ny-liste-Her-er-Aarhus-almindelige-og-haarde-ghettoomraader/artikel/546969

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area

Anyone following in this thread should pay attention to this, because it underscores what's wrong with the conversation. It's astounding how many likes your post got, which shows the clear confirmation bias in here.

No, everything he posted is not true. It's beyond nonsensical to say that, unless you didn't read a single of the rebuttals. A lot of what he said was factually untrue, which has been posted and sourced. I'll go through it again in addressing your post.

1. No one is disputing that there are areas where crime rates are higher, there is a criminal element and that people generally have a low socioeconomic status. Call that the "vulnerable" areas in Sweden, or "ghettos" in Demark. It was a term coined in 2010 in which an area have to reach 2 out of these 5 criteria to get on the Danish "ghetto" list. These areas are blocks and housing areas, not cities:

- Crime rate above 3x national rate
- High unemployment/non student rate, 40% combined
- Lower income than 55% of the average national rate
- 60% of adults not having college degree or beyond
- Foreign ethnicity (includes second generation with one parent) above 50%

These inclusion criteria have been expanded both in 2013 and in 2018. That is because crime has been falling and education rising in those areas, so they needed to lower the bar. From 2009 to 2016 youth crime has fallen by 27%. Overall crime rates in those areas have fallen by 30% from 2013-2017. Based on the criteria from 2010, today only 2 out of 22 of those still qualify (1). At the same time, education rates have risen. Fact.


2. The issue here is that there is a claim of what is referred to as "no-go zones", in which, and I paraphrase "there is sharia law, a high chance you'll get murdered, raped, tortured and abducted" where average citizens do not go and police wont enter. That is untrue. Even your own link listing the vulnerable says, and I qoute:

"Are they no-go zones?
Well, not really. This term caught on in international media after it was used by a columnist to label these areas, but police and emergency services have themselves repeatedly rejected it, arguing that these are areas with a higher police presence, if anything."

"A fire chief in an area which covers some of northern Stockholm's most vulnerable suburbs, including Rinkeby and Tensta, told The Local earlier this year: “We don't have any no-go zones, absolutely not, the opposite in fact. We move around in all areas, with the same force, at the same speed. But sometimes we get indications, or see, that something is not right and then we take precautions.” (2).

So unless we agree now that a "no-go zone" is a place with low socioeconomic status and higher crime rates, the claim is incorrect. IF that is what we agree the term means, then there is no use for the term other than what's implicit in the narrative you want to create.

3. You are strawmanning the left position on the issue of immigration. Both you and @Blood and Thunder. Right now, as you now, we elected back a center-left to left leaning government here in Denmark. The policy restrictions on immigrations still hold, and are the strictest they have ever been. Last year we took the least amount of asylum seekers in over 9 years (3). Fact.

I also posted this earlier in the thread:

I'm not saying that there is no issue here that needs to be addressed, it does. There needs to be several more social initiatives, tightening of immigration laws and preventive care in at risk areas.

So again, you are being disingenious or lying. I've said countless of times that we need sensible immigration policies.

4. No, the muslim population is around 5% as I said, not closer to 10%. He was wrong, and so are you. Latest estimates from this year says 5,5% (5, 6). Fact. You can read my thread about EU numbers in detail here: https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/ethnicity-and-muslims-in-europe-the-numbers.3855627/

5. Trying to sow doubt about my love of Denmark is absolutely absurd. So absurd that you cannot see the contradiction. You don't understand what makes Denmark great. Claiming I'm not patriotic and someone you cannot trust is a direct attack against my character, but clearly shows your bias because I know the talking points. I am Danish, I love Denmark and I feel blessed for being born here. Fact.

At du anfægter min danskhed er virkelig så latterligt. Som nævnt er det paradoksalt at din fundamentalistiske tankegang er langt tættere på de ekstremister du hader, fremfor dem der har skabt det samfund vi lever i idag. Danske værdier er skabt på baggrund af menneskerettigheder, kildekritik, grundloven, uddannelse, tolerance og kritisk tænkning. Ja, der er problemer med muslimske grupperinger visse steder, og selvom det går fremad så skal der gøres mere for at løse dem. Den er jeg helt med på. Men det større problem, den større trussel mod Danmark er angrebet på fakta, medmenneskelighed og fornuft. Det er folk som dig der er mest farlige, hvad enten de er rabiate salafister eller racistiske propagandister. Det er fordi i har rigtig meget til fælles, og selve formålet er at køre ud i dommedagsprofetier istedet for at pragmatisk adressere de problemer der er. Ekstremisme er fjenden.

 

[Pork Torlet]

In Sweden you don't even have to drive 40 min for wilderness.
Ain't nobody raping that US hog you call a woman. Cutting her up for a bbq maybe.

Be nice

 

[Blood and Thunder]

It's astounding how many likes your post got

You can't understand that people don't buy into the leftist deflection and downplay of a serious global problem?

No, everything he posted is not true.

I said nothing that was wrong. Vulnerable area is just a polite PC way of saying no go zone. I prefer no go zone to be honest lol.The severity of each no go zone doesn't matter because none of them should exist. Also I never said it was guaranteed all of those bad things would happen to you. Just the chances increase when you're in these areas or close to them.

3. You are strawmanning the left position on the issue of immigration.

The UN migration pact tells you everything you need to know about the intentions of the left. They want the problems in Europe, Scandinavia and elsewhere to get worse. We've seen the damage it can do now imagine that in every city and town.

 

[Sano]

You can't understand that people don't buy into the leftist deflection and downplay of a serious global problem?



I said nothing that was wrong. Vulnerable area is just a polite PC way of saying no go zone. I prefer no go zone to be honest lol.The severity of each no go zone doesn't matter because none of them should exist. Also I never said it was guaranteed all of those bad things would happen to you. Just the chances increase when you're in these areas or close to them.



The UN migration pact tells you everything you need to know about the intentions of the left. They want the problems in Europe, Scandinavia and elsewhere to get worse. We've seen the damage it can do now imagine that in every city and town.

I shouldn't respond to this because it's not worth it, but I'm a masochist.

Stick to the matter at hand. You are strawmanning the left position. We are talking about Denmark, Sweden and me. Fact, I am left and I want to have sensible border security. Fact, Denmark has a left leaning government and our immigration policies have never been as tight as they are now.

The UN migration pact is just a diversion, and even that diversion you don't understand. I've actually read the UN migration pact, have you? I could highlight several areas where it includes, amongst other things, improving border security, more data on immigrants, preventing people from leaving their country and seeking refuge in the first place by providing aid, more strict legal documentation, fighting human smugglers and trafficking, and a host of other things that seeks to both lessen immigration, make it safer for the vulnerable and improve integration. I could go over the report with you, but it's simply a huge waste of time. You don't want to know, and you're incapable of learning or viewing anything outside the lens of fear and conspiracy.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

I shouldn't respond to this because it's not worth it, but I'm a masochist.

Stick to the matter at hand. You are strawmanning the left position. We are talking about Denmark, Sweden and me. Fact, I am left and I want to have sensible border security. Fact, Denmark has a left leaning government and our immigration policies have never been as tight as they are now.

The UN migration pact is just a diversion, and even that diversion you don't understand. I've actually read the UN migration pact, have you? I could highlight several areas where it includes, amongst other things, improving border security, more data on immigrants, preventing people from leaving their country and seeking refuge in the first place by providing aid, more strict legal documentation, fighting human smugglers and trafficking, and a host of other things that seeks to both lessen immigration, make it safer for the vulnerable and improve integration. I could go over the report with you, but it's simply a huge waste of time. You don't want to know, and you're incapable of learning or viewing anything outside the lens of fear and conspiracy.

Yes we already know the left is sick and degenerate.

Says you that brought Denmark into the conversation when no one was talking about Denmark. You're weird and I don't care about you. When I think of Denmark, it's history, culture and it's people, I don't think of you or any other leftist.

The Danes clearly see there's a problem with leftism and hopefully they don't let the UN dictate immigration policy.

The UN migration pact will make it easy for immigrants to get to Europe. There's hundreds of millions trying to get into the West and if the left makes it super easy and starts to increase immigration then you'll just make the problems we're seeing worse.

Those Islamic migrants fighting for the niqab in Denmark will not integrate. Ethnic and cultural enclaves do not integrate. Any new migrants will just go to these enclaves or create new ones due to volume. A fact seen in every country.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

Sano will say these people are integrating and he'll prove it with stats.

Look at this brave shield maiden defending the well integrated new Danes from the evil veil ban.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Should we really drive off to the ways of self-glorification? You know, - What was I saying all the time? Why didn't anyone listen to my future descriptions?

When you tell a person that if he keeps overeating he'll get fat and develop health problems, that's not a self-glorifying future description. It's an inference from basic observation.
You can reject that mentality, you can hope for a world where overeating doesn't cause health issues, but fact is that it will. Same with people correctly predicting that your country will have massive issues with people who can't tie their shoe laces, much less contribute to a first world society like Sweden. Calling predictions "racist" or "far right" does not change the problems you're for some reason hellbent on bringing in and keeping.

I have liked you since the day you called Italy a banana republic.

Cheers brother.

This is what I don't get. Swedes will mock and hate on Italians, Russians, Americans, etc who like Swedes and cause no problems in Sweden, but when it comes to half retarded Somalians throwing grenades and burning cars, or 40 year old Afghans larping as children all of a sudden it's about keeping the mind and the door open, being nice and putting on kid gloves not daring to notice the dysfunction they bring lest you be racist. Why is this?

 

[The ScorpioN]

Sano will say these people are integrating and he'll prove it with stats.

Look at this brave shield maiden defending the well integrated new Danes.

But you're forgetting that trash bag attire went down by 27.6534% in the 3rd lowest SES neighborhood during the first week of June in 2019!!! It's now at a mere 70%! Check mate racist.

 

[Stoic1]

I've been traveling Europe for the last 6 months. It is absolutely staggering the number of women wearing hijab walking behind their men. Staggering. When I was here 20 years ago it was nothing like this.



Ancedotal evidence be damned - I double fucking dare you to ride the train into the Paris station at night and walk to your hotel alone as a white person.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

This is what I don't get. Swedes will mock and hate on Italians, Russians, Americans, etc who like Swedes and cause no problems in Sweden, but when it comes to half retarded Somalians throwing grenades and burning cars, or 40 year old Afghans larping as children all of a sudden it's about keeping the mind and the door open, being nice and putting on kid gloves not daring to notice the dysfunction they bring lest you be racist. Why is this?

lol. Not sure how much in common Sweden and German attitudes are but I know the Germans failed to integrate the turks and the spätaussiedler, but suddenly thought they could successfully integrate larger numbers of people coming from warzones who don't speak the language or understand the culture. Seems naive at best

EDIT: to clarify, I'm not against humanitarian acts of taking in refugees, but obviously I think a country must be reasonable with the number they take on, and have a concrete plan on how to handle them.