Sweden police hand out magic "do not molest me" bracelets

[Gingerdead Man]

let me get this straight.

muslims are raping swedish women so much that sweden is resorting to giving their girls bracelets as an initiative to raise awareness about muslims raping so much and that you need to report rapes when you see them...and that is supposed to connect people instead of divide them?

I believe that's what they are aiming for, yes. I believe it is called solidarity.

 

[voxom]

You're probably not aware, but one of the biggest issues in prosecuting any kind of sexual assault is the low reporting rate, and the time between the event and the reporting which makes investigations difficult.

Glad I could help you out.

how does the low reporting rate have anything to do with getting a prosecution?

sure a low reporting rate may be why most rapists are never prosecuted because the victims never file a police report, but why would a low reporting rate have anything to do with a girl being raped, then going to the police the next day?

 

[Gingerdead Man]

campaigns like this one
really?

Soapbox-type, I see...

I specifically said to Metusalemi in post #81 that I did not agree or disagree with the bracelet initiative in my explaining simply how I interpret the mission statement of the police bureau's broader campaign.

With that, I later said that I...wait for it....personally like what Son of Jamin is saying, but that bars me not from commenting on national policy with which I may or may not agree.

Where are you from, rub-a-dub-dub?

 

[voxom]

Soapbox-type, I see...

I specifically said to Metusalemi in post #81 that I did not agree or disagree with the bracelet initiative in my explaining simply how I interpret the mission statement of the police bureau's broader campaign.

With that, I later said that I...wait for it....personally like what Son of Jamin is saying, but that bars me not from commenting on national policy with which I may or may not agree.

Where are you from, rub-a-dub-dub?

because your explanation of the initiative makes no fucking sense. how exactly are the bracelets going to unite people? maybe they will unite people AGAINST muslims. but they won't unite people in general.

 

[Ayin]

how does the low reporting rate have anything to do with getting a prosecution?

sure a low reporting rate may be why most rapists are never prosecuted because the victims never file a police report, but why would a low reporting rate have anything to do with a girl being raped, then going to the police the next day?

I'm just going to quote what you responded to so you can read it again...

You're probably not aware, but one of the biggest issues in prosecuting any kind of sexual assault is the low reporting rate, and the time between the event and the reporting which makes investigations difficult.

Glad I could help you out.

 

[voxom]

I'm just going to quote what you responded to so you can read it again...

again, why does that make it hard to prosecute a rape case that was actually reported?

nobody is saying to prosecute rapes that were never reported to anyone

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Unless these bracelets shoot bullets or contain a hidden knife, I do not see how they will discourage rapists. Serial rapists will probably start collecting them.

 

[Gingerdead Man]

because your explanation of the initiative makes no fucking sense. how exactly are the bracelets going to unite people? maybe they will unite people AGAINST muslims. but they won't unite people in general.

I bloody said they are seeking solidarity; the police bureau is doing this particularly now because of the festival season here in the Nordics and want order. It's their initiative, not mine. I don't like it either but it's not all that perplexing to see what they were going for. If you are not from here, then don't worry over it.

 

[Satur9]

I would see the bracelets as a kind of test of my resolve to rape. You don't tell me what to do! Lol

Dumb idea, but better than nothing, I guess. I know they are doing other preventative measures, but it's silly to me.

 

[Ayin]

again, why does that make it hard to prosecute a rape case that was actually reported?

nobody is saying to prosecute rapes that were never reported to anyone

So I'm clear, you're asking why delayed reporting of the event makes prosecution more difficult?

 

[voxom]

So I'm clear, you're asking why delayed reporting of the event makes prosecution more difficult?

are you dumb?

how does the low reporting rate have anything to do with getting a prosecution?

sure a low reporting rate may be why most rapists are never prosecuted because the victims never file a police report, but why would a low reporting rate have anything to do with a girl being raped, then going to the police the next day?

your original quote is so fucking retarded and obvious. it applies to almost any crime. any crime that isn't reported the offender isn't going to be punished. any crime that doesn't get reported until years after the offender is less likely to be punished than if it wa reported right away.

that isn't the issue of prosecuting rape. that is an issue of any crime not reporting crimes in a timely manner.

you're not smart, nor are you adding anything to the conversation by saying that rape is hard to prosecute when it isn't reported or doesn't get reported a long time after the fact. everyone knows this.






and just so we are clear, i'm asking why you think some people delaying or not even reporting rape is an issue of prosecuting any rape in general, even the ones that get reported right away.

 

[dontsnitch]

Which is that you deep down just want anti-immigration/discriminatory policies aimed at non-whites/muslims....

Classic Liberal "everyone is racist!" argument. Because no one of colour could possibly be Conservative.

Keep on downplaying rape, no one notices.

 

[Ayin]

your original quote is so fucking retarded and obvious. it applies to almost any crime. any crime that isn't reported the offender isn't going to be punished. any crime that doesn't get reported until years after the offender is less likely to be punished than if it wa reported right away.

Good, you know that much.

Now, sexual assault cases of all types are often cited as been among the most under-reported, and often have a significantly important gap between the event and the reporting. Reporting these events as quickly as possible is very important for a variety of reasons.

that isn't the issue of prosecuting rape. that is an issue of any crime not reporting crimes in a timely manner.

And sexual assaults of all kinds (not just rape, as you keep saying) are specifically often under-reported or reported later, often after important evidence (or even ALL physical evidence) is no longer available.

you're not smart, nor are you adding anything to the conversation by saying that rape is hard to prosecute when it isn't reported or doesn't get reported a long time after the fact. everyone knows this.

If you KNOW that sexual assault is often under-reported or that there is an extremely important and short window of opportunity between the event and the reporting of it and after that even events that are reported have a much lower chance of leading to any kind of successful prosecution, then I honestly have no idea what your point is, besides being angry and obtuse.

and just so we are clear, i'm asking why you think some people delaying or not even reporting rape is an issue of prosecuting any rape in general, even the ones that get reported right away.

You're asking why the actions of some who do not do a thing or who do a thing late effect the results of others who do a thing promptly? I suppose we could have that discussion, but I honestly don't think you'd keep up to it at all.

 

[voxom]

Good, you know that much.

Now, sexual assault cases of all types are often cited as been among the most under-reported, and often have a significantly important gap between the event and the reporting. Reporting these events as quickly as possible is very important for a variety of reasons.

saying nothing new. everyone knows this

And sexual assaults of all kinds (not just rape, as you keep saying) are specifically often under-reported or reported later, often after important evidence (or even ALL physical evidence) is no longer available.

saying nothing new. everyone knows this

If you KNOW that sexual assault is often under-reported or that there is an extremely important and short window of opportunity between the event and the reporting of it and after that even events that are reported have a much lower chance of leading to any kind of successful prosecution, then I honestly have no idea what your point is, besides being angry and obtuse.

because it's not anymore the problem with prosecuting a rape case than it is an assault case, or a burglary case, or any other case. when shit doesn't get reported you can't prosecute it. you aren't saying anything new. everyone knows this.

wow, it's hard to prosecute a case when it isn't reported or all of the evidence is gone. so enlightening

You're asking why the actions of some who do not do a thing or who do a thing late effect the results of others who do a thing promptly? I suppose we could have that discussion, but I honestly don't think you'd keep up to it at all.

yes, how does the girl who gets raped, then doesn't report it until a year after have any affect on the case of the girl who got raped and reported it the night of?

 

[Ayin]

saying nothing new. everyone knows this

So, everyone knows that sexual assualt cases are under-reported or reported late, and that being reported earlier would lead to more successful prosecutions. Good, it would seem as if awareness of this issue has been successfully raised, probably by public awareness campaigns like the one being shown here.

 

[Gingerdead Man]

When media and pop artists like Zara Larsson blame men in general for these crimes, they alienate much of society and cause a rift in the social fabric that keeps a nation united.

Speak of the devil, this just published some hours ago. Are you Swede or Finn? I can translate some comments if not.

Zara Larsson efter våldtäktsanmälan: ”Du förtjänar att brinna i helvetet”
”Fyfan för dig som helt skamlöst våldtar en tjej i publikhavet”

 

[voxom]

So, everyone knows that sexual assualt cases are under-reported or reported late, and that being reported earlier would lead to more successful prosecutions. Good, it would seem as if awareness of this issue has been successfully raised, probably by public awareness campaigns like the one being shown here.

and you just shifted the goal posts. congrats.

 

[Ayin]

and you just shifted the goal posts. congrats.

We're actively talking about a campaign for raising awareness and reporting rates of sexual assault, which you have repeatedly said "everyone knows" is under-reported, but which is being criticized under the belief that it's not going to stop assaults.

This is the most running-in circles conversation I've had on here in a month.

 

[voxom]

We're actively talking about a campaign for raising awareness and reporting rates of sexual assault, which you have repeatedly said "everyone knows" is under-reported, but which is being criticized under the belief that it's not going to stop assaults.

This is the most running-in circles conversation I've had on here in a month.

that wasn't what we were discussing. you said rape is hard to prosecute because when people don't report them or what a long time to it is hard to prosecute. which is a redundant statement because that applies to ALL crime. when someone doesn't report a crime it is hard to prosecute. that isn't exclusive to rape.


here is what you orginally posted

You're probably not aware, but one of the biggest issues in prosecuting any kind of sexual assault is the low reporting rate, and the time between the event and the reporting which makes investigations difficult.

Glad I could help you out.

the rest of the worlds report rate is irrelevant when someone was raped 3 hours ago and is at the police station right now filing a police report. the report rate of other rape victims is not the issue when it comes to prosecuting someone who raped someone a few hours ago.


again....

"yes, how does the girl who gets raped, then doesn't report it until a year after have any affect on the case of the girl who got raped and reported it the night of?"

 

[Thames]

Everyday that goes by I get the feeling that you are even worse of a snake that what I first thought of...

A snake?
I think I'm pretty open about my opinions and motivations. Is this part of the super villain conspiracy that is out against me?

so lets say one demographic rapes women at a way higher rate than all other populations. and lets say that population also tends to culturally stay among themselves most of the time.

you have a problem of an initiative specifically targeting that one self isolated demographic that does a higher proportions of rapes than any other group?

you think we should spend the same amount of time and resources bombarding buddhist monks to stop raping as we spend telling muslims to stop raping?

That depends on the statistical variance and the nature of the subject.
In reality the statistical variance is not high enough to justify discriminatory policies. In particular when the issue of sexual assault is such a rampant problem, across all ethnicities and religions. So creating initiatives meant to target the overall problem, is just a much more sensible (and ethical) approach, than to spin it as a problem that only belongs to a certain demographic. Also add in the fact that turning anti sexual assault measures into a question about demographics, just doesn't make sense to begin with. I don't see how that problem gets better, by only limiting initiatives to certain ethnic demographics - if you support that, then you don't actually care about the issue of sexual assault.

If the statistical variance is very high, then I do think that policies meant to target a particular demographic would be justified. Why is this demographic acting so disproportionate to the rest of the population, and what can we do to fix it?
Is it because of their environment, poverty, low education etc.? and what policies can we initiate to better the problem in those demographics?
Or is this demographic simply inherently evil no matter the external factors, and the only solution to the problem is kick them out of the country, and block people like them from coming in (guilty by association)?
I argue that the ladder case, is never the case.