Sweden police hand out magic "do not molest me" bracelets

Thames said:
That depends on the statistical variance and the nature of the subject.
In reality the statistical variance is not high enough to justify discriminatory policies. In particular when the issue of sexual assault is such a rampant problem, across all ethnicities and religions. So creating initiatives meant to target the overall problem, is just a much more sensible (and ethical) approach, than to spin it as a problem that only belongs to a certain demographic. Also add in the fact that turning anti sexual assault measures into a question about demographics, just doesn't make sense to begin with. I don't see how that problem gets better, by only limiting initiatives to certain ethnic demographics - if you support that, then you don't actually care about the issue of sexual assault.

If the statistical variance is very high, then I do think that policies meant to target a particular demographic would be justified. Why is this demographic acting so disproportionate to the rest of the population, and what can we do to fix it?
Is it because of their environment, poverty, low education etc.? and what policies can we initiate to better the problem in those demographics?
Or is this demographic simply inherently evil no matter the external factors, and the only solution to the problem is kick them out of the country, and block people like them from coming in (guilty by association)?
I argue that the ladder case, is never the case.
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i have already shown you stats about the general crime rate in sweden and showed you that muslim immigrants were committing proportionately more crime than the rest of the population in another thread and you just ignored it. so i'm not even going to bother finding stats for you anymore.
 
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voxom said:
i have already showed you stats about the general crime rate in sweden and showed you that muslim immigrants were committing proportionately more crime than the rest of the population in another thread and you just ignored it. so i'm not even going to bother finding stats for you anymore.
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Can you link me to the post? I don't recall having ever seen that.

I find it very odd though, that you have been able to find such statistics, since Sweden does not differentiate between ethnic groups in their crime statistics, as far as I know.

Denmark does however, and I have posted the crime statistics from my country several times. I can do it again, if you prove to have a serious point. But it takes a long time to dig up the statistics, translate them etc. So I don't want to waste my time, if you don't actually care about statistical analysis.
 
Thames said:
Can you link me to the post? I don't recall having ever seen that.

I find it very odd though, that you have been able to find such statistics, since Sweden does not differentiate between ethnic groups in their crime statistics, as far as I know.

Denmark does however, and I have posted the crime statistics from my country several times. I can do it again, if you prove to have a serious point. But it takes a long time to dig up the statistics, translate them etc. So I don't want to waste my time, if you don't actually care about statistical analysis.
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voxom said:
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http://www.thelocal.se/20051214/2683

'Immigrants in Sweden are four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than persons born in Sweden to Swedish parents, the National Council for Crime Prevention said on Wednesday."

"Slightly under 60 percent of the almost 1,520,000 offences ... registered during the period covered by the study can be attributed to persons who were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents," it said.

One quarter were committed by people born overseas, while almost 20 percent were committed by those born in Sweden to one or two parents born abroad.

Among foreigners suspected of offences, those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented.""
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From 2005, that's some digging you have done. But ok. I would like to read that study, I can't find it on the Council for Crime Prevention website, or linked to any publication from Stina Holmberg.

I can certainly believe that immigrants are much more likely to be under investigation. It's no secret that immigrants are much more likely to be reported in these cases. But I do find it quite suprising that "there was "little difference" in the statistics for those suspected of crimes and those actually convicted". And it makes me wonder why they didn't exclusively make statistics based on conviction, and not on investigation.
Regardless of that, 5 times as high is a high number. I would certainly think that such a number, should give rise to a statistical report. It does not match the statistics in Denmark. Here immigrants from Somalia is the leading group (by far), and they commit these crimes at little above 3 times the rate of the native population.

So I find it very baffling, that "immigrants" - as a whole group - is 5 times as likely to commit sexual assault. Keep in mind that the immigrant demographic in Sweden looks like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden#Demographics
Unless they meant "non-western immigrants". Regardless, I would really like to see the study.

This is statistics from my country (http://www.dst.dk/Site/Dst/Udgivelser/GetPubFile.aspx?id=20703&sid=indv2015):

From page 95.

Criminal frequency for men, Criminal law, 2014.

Red and orange (descendants): Immigrants western countries
Light red and yellow (descendants): Immigrants non-western countries
Grey: Ethnic danes

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You can translate more of the report if you want, to get a more nuanced picture (how it relates to unemployment etc.), including statistics for immigrants for each country. But all in all, as you can see, the group with the highest variance - non-western immigrants age 20-24 - are a little above 3 times as likely to commit a violent/physical crime (that's what criminal law usually covers), and then it somewhat normalizes as they get older.
I can't find statistics from sexual assault exclusively right now, only from danish newspapers, but I remember that they have been reported as the same (at least for rape).

So let's run with that statistic. A demographic - nonwestern immigrants - commits crime at 3 times the rate of the native population. Is this a problem? It most certainly is.
But how should combat that problem? The WR suggests discriminatory policies, which I assume you support?
But keep in mind, when looking at this number, that 94% of that demographic is not comitting crime (and it gets higher with age). So is it really fair to enact policy that will discriminate against them as well?

Or should we instead look at the factors that leads to higher crime rate, regardless of race and religion, like poverty, education, unemployment etc. And fight 6% of the group that way, while making a better society in the meantime for all demographics?
Yes I say, and that is my core position. I'm not advocating for the demise of my society (like some would claim). I'm actually advocating for the opposite, by clinging on to equality principles, and most importantly, rule of law. Which to me is what make the western nations great, and separate us from the societies we don't want to become.
 
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Thames said:
From 2005, that's some digging you have done.
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lol. you were really hoping to hid behind the "sweden doesn't track crime by ethinic groups" right? then when i show you when they did you reply with "that's really old"

yeah, because the muslim population probably really cleaned up their act since then, huh?
 
voxom said:
lol. you were really hoping to hid behind the "sweden doesn't track crime by ethinic groups" right? then when i show you when they did you reply with "that's really old"

yeah, because the muslim population probably really cleaned up their act since then, huh?
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Predictable, I guess.
Always ends up being a waste of time with you mouthbreathers. Every time I try to force a somewhat substantial discussion, you completely shut down.

Welcome to my list of "waste of time" posters.
 
The "refugees" look at those bracelets and think "Oh, she brought me a cock ring to use while I'm violating her".
 
Valkosen said:
He's defending the issue while explaining that rape isn't the refugee's raison d'être as populistic leanings would have one here believe; saying, that the mistreatment of women is now a point of convenience for those with an agenda to make.
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How do you know we just don't approve of our women being raped shitbrain?
 
Thames said:
From 2005, that's some digging you have done. But ok. I would like to read that study, I can't find it on the Council for Crime Prevention website, or linked to any publication from Stina Holmberg.

I can certainly believe that immigrants are much more likely to be under investigation. It's no secret that immigrants are much more likely to be reported in these cases. But I do find it quite suprising that "there was "little difference" in the statistics for those suspected of crimes and those actually convicted". And it makes me wonder why they didn't exclusively make statistics based on conviction, and not on investigation.
Regardless of that, 5 times as high is a high number. I would certainly think that such a number, should give rise to a statistical report. It does not match the statistics in Denmark. Here immigrants from Somalia is the leading group (by far), and they commit these crimes at little above 3 times the rate of the native population.

So I find it very baffling, that "immigrants" - as a whole group - is 5 times as likely to commit sexual assault. Keep in mind that the immigrant demographic in Sweden looks like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden#Demographics
Unless they meant "non-western immigrants". Regardless, I would really like to see the study.

This is statistics from my country (http://www.dst.dk/Site/Dst/Udgivelser/GetPubFile.aspx?id=20703&sid=indv2015):

From page 95.

Criminal frequency for men, Criminal law, 2014.

Red and orange (descendants): Immigrants western countries
Light red and yellow (descendants): Immigrants non-western countries
Grey: Ethnic danes

pF9GyLr.jpg


You can translate more of the report if you want, to get a more nuanced picture (how it relates to unemployment etc.), including statistics for immigrants for each country. But all in all, as you can see, the group with the highest variance - non-western immigrants age 20-24 - are a little above 3 times as likely to commit a violent/physical crime (that's what criminal law usually covers), and then it somewhat normalizes as they get older.
I can't find statistics from sexual assault exclusively right now, only from danish newspapers, but I remember that they have been reported as the same (at least for rape).

So let's run with that statistic. A demographic - nonwestern immigrants - commits crime at 3 times the rate of the native population. Is this a problem? It most certainly is.
But how should combat that problem? The WR suggests discriminatory policies, which I assume you support?
But keep in mind, when looking at this number, that 94% of that demographic is not comitting crime (and it gets higher with age). So is it really fair to enact policy that will discriminate against them as well?

Or should we instead look at the factors that leads to higher crime rate, regardless of race and religion, like poverty, education, unemployment etc. And fight 6% of the group that way, while making a better society in the meantime for all demographics?
Yes I say, and that is my core position. I'm not advocating for the demise of my society (like some would claim). I'm actually advocating for the opposite, by clinging on to equality principles, and most importantly, rule of law. Which to me is what make the western nations great, and separate us from the societies we don't want to become.
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The problem is you discount religion/culture. Because you yourself don't care about those things, you assume other people are the same.

This moral relativism makes it impossible for you to identify the problem. 'All religions/cultures are the same, what matters is how much money people receive from the government.' This is the defacto position in places like Sweden, and why they are unable to solve the crisis.
 
Tycho said:
The problem is you discount religion/culture. Because you yourself don't care about those things, you assume other people are the same.

This moral relativism makes it impossible for you to identify the problem. 'All religions/cultures are the same, what matters is how much money people receive from the government.' This is the defacto position in places like Sweden, and why they are unable to solve the crisis.
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What makes you think he thinks all cultures are the same? It's obvious that deep down he wants immigration policies aimed to hurt white Christians.
 
CableandThanos said:
If its always been a big deal, then why do you always downplay the issue and defend them?
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"These immigrants are just like us..."

"Stupid, mouth-breathing, knuckle dragging Sherdog posters..."

I think it's pretty safe to say he has a fetish for that non-white cock. And LOL @ citing stats when things have gotten so bad with migrants that records aren't being kept and incidents swept under the rug.
 
@Thames

Why are Swedish police handing out these arm bands?
 
Renard said:
I love how google translate translated molest to paw on the police's website. Don't paw me, man. Paw is crime. This is why police equipped bracelets with text "paw not".
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Paw not, lest thyself be pawed.
 
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