Economy Striking garbage workers replaced with prison labor

[surrealworlds]

So no source.

So....troll?
Let go of the keyboard and go ask mommy or daddy how to use dictionary.

 

[My Spot]

So....troll?
Let go of the keyboard and go ask mommy or daddy how to use dictionary.

 

[Steve-French]

Ive stated my points multiple times in this thread. Im rehashing everything i said for everyone that wants to jump into the conversation.
Of course you were happy to do it. You were a prisoner. That neither makes it right, fair or moral.

The for profit prison system is a horrible use of justice and criminals "feelings" are not going to change my mind on that.

Either state your facts as to why it is beneficial to society to undercut striking workers with below market prison wages or quit quoting me.

Whoa... Calm down there pancakes. Of coarse it's not fair to undercut city employees. I agree with you on that as I stated that in my post. There is a difference in a Sheriffs work crew doing some community service vs State prison workers completely taking over what should be a union job. I just don't buy the whole slave labor argument. 1. It's a trustee spot that prisoners volunteer for, 2. I really don't have sympathy for prisoners. It's not like people don't know the consequences for breaking the law.

 

[brackis1]

We need more well rounded and ground specialist garbage workers.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I wasn't "waffling", whatever that means to you. I stated my position fairly clearly. To pay them such low wages compared to the market standard with the only negotiating tactic being "if you dont work for this wage you stay in jail" is absolutely coercion.

It's a ridiculous assertion, unless you believe that prisons are unpleasant for the purpose of compelling prisoners to sign up for labour. They're not being coerced, they're being offered an opportunity.
By your logic, every job in the world is 'coercion'.

A fair wage in my opinion would start with the Federal minimum wage. It was set for a reason right?

Probably based on the cost of living. An expense that is taken care of for prisoners.

I also stated(in case you didnt read it) that to replace striking workers by utilizing below market wages and prison labor is disgusting.

Meh. It's not exactly ethical, but nor is letting garbage pile up during a pandemic.

Everyone in this scenario is either being screwed or taken advantage of while the for-profit prison laughs all the way to the bank.

How are the prisoners being screwed? Unless they pay rent on their cells, they're probably earning a greater disposable income than the garbage men would be.
The garbage men are being screwed and that is unfortunate - but I would side with the entity that is ensuring garbage removal during a public health crisis, not those holding it hostage.

 

[evansusmc2]

They are in a position where they would take any opportunity to get out from the confines of the yard and cell. The city is exploiting their lack of freedom as a tool against the striking garbage workers.

And $10.25 / hour is crap wages. All they were asking for was hazard pay and better safety. Garbage workers are going around touching everyone's crap, so they are at a heightened risk of contracting the virus.

Uuuuuuuumm.... you do know these are criminals, right? They gave up their “lack of freedom” when they committed their crimes. See how that works?

 

[MMAGA]

Im arguing both sides. The garbagemen are being shafted but if we are using prison labor they should get paid fair wages otherwise you undercut the market and screw the garbagemen. Its circular.

"Fair wage"? When Joe Citizen receives a paycheck, someone, somewhere has crunched some numbers, and has factored in cost of living, as it's a huge factor in determining "living wages". I'm not saying they're crunching out good numbers, I'm just saying there's a method to the madness.

When Joe Criminal gets his "measly" paycheck, he don't has to wurry bout payin no rentz!

See how that works!? Oh, and he/she gets the opportunity to breath fresher air, see the sights, experience "daily life", which if you knew anything about inmate culture, you'd realize is worth so much more than a "fair wage" whilst yo ass locked up.

But, keep on virtue signaling...judging from the replies your getting, it's really working out for you !

 

[surrealworlds]

7 pages....7 fucking pages and you STILL dont know what virtue signaling is. Come on man, at least try.

"Fair wage"? When Joe Citizen receives a paycheck, someone, somewhere has crunched some numbers, and has factored in cost of living, as it's a huge factor in determining "living wages". I'm not saying they're crunching out good numbers, I'm just saying there's a method to the madness.

When Joe Criminal gets his "measly" paycheck, he don't has to wurry bout payin no rentz!

See how that works!? Oh, and he/she gets the opportunity to breath fresher air, see the sights, experience "daily life", which if you knew anything about inmate culture, you'd realize is worth so much more than a "fair wage" whilst yo ass locked up.

But, keep on virtue signaling...judging from the replies your getting, it's really working out for you !

 

[MMAGA]

7 pages....7 fucking pages and you STILL dont know what virtue signaling is. Come on man, at least try.

Get a life, dude.

You trying to convince others that you give 2 snots about garbage men is virtue signaling at its "finest".

Keep posting, though...I'm thoroughly enjoying reading people's replies to your rubbish!

 

[skysolo]

read your own definition, “hot shot,” and then learn the difference between volunteered and coerced.

The prisoners don't even get to keep most of the wages.

The definition also says "or the people who perform such labor" such as prisoners. You are stuck on the word "coerced" as if prisoners aren't coerced.

I won't say that you are a clown, but you know.

The private company that supplies prison labor, Lock5 LLC, keeps up to 64 percent of the already substandard wages paid to inmates, according to a spokesperson. This is arranged through the state and the wage garnishing is used to cover Lock5 expenses.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/13/nola-m13.html

 

[skysolo]

W
Where's the coercion? Please stick to the issue.

"or people who perform such labor".... such as prisoners.

It's like you are stupid on purpose.

When asked about the use of inmates, Woods told local reporters: “They are really trying to use those dudes to do our job, and they’re paying them way less than they were paying us. They’re saving money, that’s all they are doing.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/13/nola-m13.html

 

[lsa]

I like how this turned into a thread about slave labor when real issue to me is that you can fire taxpaying workers asking for safety gear and replace them with inmates.
Thats pretty fucked up and should be the real focus here.

 

[Rematch]

"or people who perform such labor".... such as prisoners.

It's like you are stupid on purpose.

When asked about the use of inmates, Woods told local reporters: “They are really trying to use those dudes to do our job, and they’re paying them way less than they were paying us. They’re saving money, that’s all they are doing.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/13/nola-m13.html

Are they performing coerced labor? No. Learn to read.

 

[Oceanmachine]

They are in a position where they would take any opportunity to get out from the confines of the yard and cell. The city is exploiting their lack of freedom as a tool against the striking garbage workers.

And $10.25 / hour is crap wages. All they were asking for was hazard pay and better safety. Garbage workers are going around touching everyone's crap, so they are at a heightened risk of contracting the virus.

The workers should go on strike but I still dont see how choosing to do the work is slavery it isnt. And that term is being used to liberally. This is no gulag system with forced labour

 

[shinkyoku]

 

[KnightTemplar]

I'm ok with prison labour, but not at the expense of another working man's job. And they should absolutely be paid, but since their room and board is covered, and they don't have much in the way of options to spend it on, there isn't much of a living wage argument.

That being said I draw the line at private prisons renting out their services for profit.

/Thread.

 

[MilesAbove]

So...... slaves used to supplant united workers?

You're doing great, USA.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

I like how this turned into a thread about slave labor when real issue to me is that you can fire taxpaying workers asking for safety gear and replace them with inmates.
Thats pretty fucked up and should be the real focus here.

 

[MilesAbove]

I like how this turned into a thread about slave labor when real issue to me is that you can fire taxpaying workers asking for safety gear and replace them with inmates.
Thats pretty fucked up and should be the real focus here.

Because both things are part of the situation.

Also, just clarifying, slave labor is not a real issue to you in this situation? You don't care about the slave labor?

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Are they performing coerced labor? No. Learn to read.

nonsense! It’s just like slavery, you know where slaves were forced to work in the fields unless they overslept or broke some other rules and just refused to work all together and we’re subsequently allowed to just go hang out in their room instead.