Strength and weight disadvantage.

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  1. Weonlywonsixtwo

    Weonlywonsixtwo Banned Banned

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    I am like 5'11 and 155 pounds. Basically a scrawny bastard. Holding top is extremly hard, passing the guard is extermly hard because of the monster grips that my partners have, holding the guard isnt so bad. What do I do? I try technique but I'm just too weak and light, i even get flipped in side.
     
  2. deadlift ryan

    deadlift ryan Yellow Belt

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    dude im like 5,8 and 210lbs.
    you go with what you have.
     
  3. triso

    triso Green Belt

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    Adapt your game to highlight YOUR attributes.

    Read up, and find well known grapplers out there who fit your description, and see how they play.

    Customizing your game with techniques that work for you will only come through trial and error on the mat. Put in the time, and don't get too frustrated. You should be able to figure out a game that works best for you.

    You could also do some serious weight training, and bulking if your that upset by it.
     
  4. DMcKayBJJ

    DMcKayBJJ Blue Belt

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    Just practice keeping your base. There's always somebody bigger than you, no matter what your weight. Just make the most out of what you've got (i.e. keep as good of a base as possible).

    Second, work on your bottom game. Don't get too relaxed on top unless you're the same size or bigger than your opponent.

    Or work more from knee on belly and rear mount. Practice position and transitions a lot to keep the advantage over your opponent, and hope that an opening for a sub pops up while you're doing that.
     
  5. Aesopian

    Aesopian Brown Belt

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    Just keep training, think about your game more and concentrate on being technical.
     
  6. Weonlywonsixtwo

    Weonlywonsixtwo Banned Banned

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    The problem is, im a NOOB white belt. I have no idea what adept my game means, I guess it just takes time. But im getting really frustrated getting pwnd by newer newbies
     
  7. Zankou

    Zankou Muscle and Hate Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Two approaches man: [1] Spider guard and [2] take the back. Both will allow you to battle much heavier opponents. Look for them! I usually go up against heavier guys, and these are godsends for the lighter bjj guy. Particularly spider, which is pretty easy to pull.

    Also if you are on top you must MOVE if you're light. You're not going to pin the other guy down, so just sitting down tight and clamping on is a recipe for being swept. Keep switching positions.
     
  8. Ouch That Hurt

    Ouch That Hurt White Belt

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    Im like 5'9 152 lbs. The trick to passing the guard for me against people larger is once you have posture it all over for them. When fighting off them holding you down and circling arms, move your hips back a little bit each time and start moving your knee under their butt. Work you arms under you and posture back at a 45 degree angle. Once you have posture make sure you are looking straight ahead and a little bit up. If you look down its all over and youll be going back down. You should be able to hold this for a while if done right (unless they are super strong you are screwed for the time being). From there you can try busting their guard, I usually wait for them to get frustrated and try to go for a foot on the hip to create space to try a different way to break posture or change control in guard. They most likely aren't as flexible and need your hip to help generate space. Underhook the leg that is going to the hip and pin the other knee and pass the underhooked leg.
     
  9. Balto

    Balto Silver Belt

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    I am 5'11" 155 lbs too. Although holding top for people like us will never be super easy, it doesn't have to be so hard either. I can easily pin bigger people with experience for minutes if I need to. You just need to work on your pinning technique.

    The key is to stay as tight as possible on top. Give your opponent no space at all. Squeeze him hard and try to crush him with all 155 lbs. When he tries to flip you from side control, sprawl yourself out like a board. He can't bridge you when you are really long like that.

    Also, when you feel your opponent going for a good escape from your side control, use the opportunity to switch to mount. It is very demoralizing for your opponent and quite effective.

    On the bottom, my best advice to you is to stay balled up at all times. You can easily shrimp from this position, and you can use your legs and back to make space to escape. Make a habit to never allow yourself to be flattened out on the bottom.

    Try to take your opponent's back a lot too. Although a good sweep will work on any size, taking the back is even easier. You don't even have to move your opponent's weight at all. You simply climb around his weight onto his back to finish. Try this from the guard a lot.
     
  10. Weonlywonsixtwo

    Weonlywonsixtwo Banned Banned

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    How long have you been training?
     
  11. LCDforMe

    LCDforMe Purple Belt

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    The more you practice, the better you get. Keep going. You'll get better. Have a coach help you with your weight placement for X sides top.
     
  12. VTJas81

    VTJas81 Blue Belt

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    Im 5'9 156lbs and I could hold down ppl pretty good. If u practice it then u will be able to hold them down. Holding top position requires a lot of feel and balance and the only way you can get it is to practice it. I recommend Roy Harris' BJJ Vol 2 to help you on it.
     
  13. Balto

    Balto Silver Belt

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    About two years.

    Don't worry, you will get better too. I was exactly like you when I started. Just focus on one thing at a time.
     
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    zenshin Green Belt

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    I thought Brzilian jujitsu was supposed to be based on levrage instead of strenght.
     
  15. flyingknee16

    flyingknee16 Brown Belt

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    i'm right about your size.

    learn to work from bottom guard, learn your triangle chokes and armbars and SWEEPS so you can get top position or learn how to take the back. learn leglocks too, since you have long legs it'll help you out doing that. you should also be pretty flexibile too, work on that as well. you can be a bad ass grappler and be skinny dude, trust me :)
     
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    Placebo_ Yellow Belt

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    I'm 5'11 and compete at 160, weight difference is not an issue if you have some strength and good technique.
     
  17. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    Heavier/stronger guys generally have an advantage - more so in the beginning.

    You'll just have to be patient and learn some stuff to suit you. This wont happen overnight though... Keep at it and get fitter, faster and more technical.
     
  18. Soulfly

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    Take advantage if they post in your guard. Transition between positions when on top. If they try to bench press you off, perform a straight arm lock.

    Also, work on wrestling sit outs and power 1/2 and 1/4 nelsons.
     
  19. phenomfan1529

    phenomfan1529 Brown Belt

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    i had the same problem when i started. im 5'11 & 160 lbs

    just keep working on technique
     
  20. krait

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    I'm 6'0 and 220lbs. The guys I have the most trouble with are almost always smaller than me . They are usually a lot more flexible and have musch better endurance. Usually starts out with me maintianing control for awhile till I gass and that little bastard will catch me in something because I'm so tired I get sloppy. Not that I'm a whiz to begin with . But I can power my way through in the begining but after a few minutes their skill always gets me.
     

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