"Stipe's win over Francis was better than Francis' win over Stipe"

[mjfan23]

All the time? Dumb. All the other divisions opponents are like within 1 or 2 pounds of each other. HW's can be what, almost 60 pounds different? It's insane.

It’s been like that always. Stipes welcome to cut down to 205 if he’s afraid of size

btw please name a good fighter Stipe beat in their youth!!!

 

[Reffson]

It’s been like that always. Stipes welcome to cut down to 205 if he’s afraid of size

btw please name a good fighter Stipe beat in their youth!!!

I don't fucking care if it's always been like that. It's stupid like your opinion.

 

[arcadeperfect]

2 topics here:

1) does a guy who beat a GOAT (not saying Stipe was, just for argument sake) become GOAT, or does it take consistency, many wins, many title defenses? Blaydes is saying the latter, and many agree with him (me included).

2) is winning 25 minutes more impressive than winning in 7? Blaydes is saying so, and many agree with him (but I don’t).

Most importantly, that 3rd paragraph in the OP has compelling arguments. Even if I don’t agree with them all, he makes better arguments than most sherdoggers. And for that, kudos to Blaydes.

The only people that agree that winning decisions over finishes are more impressive, are fighters that are grinders themselves. Blaydes is making it sound like Ngannou got a lucky punch when the fact is, is that he was in complete control in the second fight. Blaydes is right about the GOAT status though, you don't automatically become the GOAT by beating one, it's a process of consistency and longevity. Essentially, what you're judging is the entirety of a fighter's career.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Finishes are always more impressive than decisions.

Nah. A finish can be a fluke, but a decision can’t be unless it’s a bad decision. Either can be more impressive depending imo

 

[EnthusiastCultivator]

I agree with Blaydes. Stipe beat Francis in all aspects of the game and won a clean 50-44. He even won the striking, even in the 1st round where he was the guy that actually was close to knocking the opponent out.

That was, however, Stipe’s prime and Ngannou was still green. Now it’s Ngannou’s prime and Stipe is on his way out. I would love to see a trilogy but I fear for Miocic, fighting the same opponent for 3 years (only 1x a year) and absorbing so much damage in all 3 of them changed him. He showed superb head movement in the first Ngannou fight, that is gone.

 

[mjfan23]

I don't fucking care if it's always been like that. It's stupid like your opinion.

Lol. Since you are incompetent i looked up his resume. Not a single win over a good opponent in their prime or youth, none!

 

[Reffson]

Lol. Since you are incompetent i looked up his resume. Not a single win over a good opponent in their prime or youth, none!

He did beat Francis you know. Francis had to wait until Stipe was almost 39 to beat him. LOL

 

[mjfan23]

He did beat Francis you know. Francis had to wait until Stipe was almost 39 to beat him. LOL

Yup, Francis was really in his prime and very young back then lol he was neither. Last two good guys Stipe fought that were still relatively young beat the snot out of him in struve and JDS.

 

[TRUS8888]

I never understood why Stipe lost so much weight, because on his win streak and becoming the champ he would always weigh in at around 246 , but then after time off he grew his hair and was so slim, 230 against Cormier and got knocked out cold easily... then the rematch with Cormier I honestly thought Cormier dominated the entire fight easily expect for 2 minutes where he got finished. Then against Ngannou again Stipe was so slim, looks like a welterweight but with just a big bulbus head

I suspect those vile bro scientists have got hold of him and hence the chin gone and strength

the weirdest thing is that his head movement, speed and agility seemed to get WORSE the slimmer he got.

 

[Brom Bones]

Naw, man. In the 1st fight, there were still times where Stipe was really close to getting his lights put out. Credit to him for not letting it happen. The second fight was pure domination. After that stuffed takedown attempt, you absolutely knew it was over.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

I think the fact that Francis improved to a point where Stipe had nothing for him is pretty damn impressive.

 

[cheesus]

I disagree. Francis largely lost the first fight by himself....throwing everything with hard force and full speed, he just gassed way too quickly, he also wasn't finished or humiliated he was just exhausting and not putting up much defense but he at least proved he has a chin. In the rematch Ngannou was in complete control, Stipe had absolutely nothing for him and looked completely overmatched, if you hadn't seen the previous fight you'd believe that there was no way Stipe could ever beat Francis. For Stipe to beat Francis, he'd have to survive the first 2-3 rounds against a more cautious Ngannou and considering how many shots he was eating the last time round and how effortlessly Ngannou defended his takedowns, I could not see him beating Ngannou ever again.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Stipe fights smart copy/paste the first fight and wins the third fight. imho

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Yes, a complete 50-44 is obviously more impressive as the showing who the best fighter is. We all know this. But I expect Ngannou’s 50 fans to blow a gasket in here.

Hopefully Gane shuts them up next week.

I don’t usually cheer against a fighter. More like I cheer for a fighter I like a little bit better.

But to nobody’s surprise. I am cheering against Ngannou 100%.

 

[Nick Bruiser]

Finishes are always more impressive than decisions.

In a vacuum, absolutely. I think what Blaydes is alluding to is that he feels Ngannou has no other option except the early KO. It's not exactly Francis' fault that he finishes fighters so quickly though

 

[mightywang1]

No.

 

[spinup]

In a vacuum, absolutely. I think what Blaydes is alluding to is that he feels Ngannou has no other option except the early KO. It's not exactly Francis' fault that he finishes fighters so quickly though

That's quite ironic because without the doctor stoppage in the first Blaydes-Ngannou fight, Ngannou was 100% going to win a decision if Blaydes survived the 3rd round.

 

[ThunderL1ps]

I agree with the argument. Ngannou hadn't lost and Miocic survived the initial onslaught and wore out Francis. Miocic had better conditioning by far and a more well-rounded attack that beat the scary Ngannou.

Miocic looked old in the rematch, but also didn't seem to have any new wrinkles to his game plan, where as Ngannou clearly worked on his wrestling defense between their bouts. Ngannou improved and was able to demonstrate it.

 

[GeneTunney7]

2 topics here:

1) does a guy who beat a GOAT (not saying Stipe was, just for argument sake) become GOAT, or does it take consistency, many wins, many title defenses? Blaydes is saying the latter, and many agree with him (me included).

2) is winning 25 minutes more impressive than winning in 7? Blaydes is saying so, and many agree with him (but I don’t).

Most importantly, that 3rd paragraph in the OP has compelling arguments. Even if I don’t agree with them all, he makes better arguments than most sherdoggers. And for that, kudos to Blaydes.

1) a bit if both: beating a GOAT you definitely absorb some of their clout, but you need to also defend and keep winning as they did.

2). I think finishing is more impressive. Just look at Khamzat: he so skilled no one can last a round or land a strike, he is finishing in every which way too. Dominating a guy for 5 is impressive, but I’m more impressed than Khamzats win over Leach than Kattar over Giga.

 

[XmarkX]

How can anyone consider Ngannou the GOAT?! lol maybe in the future, but its not gonna be easy to reach Stipes accomplishments. Ngannou really destroyed him in the rematch ....but in my opinion its not that Stipe was falling out of his prime , at that point Stipe WAS out of his prime .he wasn t even close to his prime (hunger, motivation, weight, damage taken, etc, man even his haircut was out of prime).
Both DC and Stipe took HUGE damage in their trilogy, it looked sloppy at times, but those two were BY FAR (remember DC vs Black beast, lewis is not a joke but against DC it was clear that he had no bussines there) the two best HW going at it and taking a lot of each other in 3 fights.
I mean the Stipe that fought Ngannou in the rematch , I feel that he would probably lost against Black Beast if they fought, but the Stipe that fought JDS for example would beat any version of black beast easily, thats how much Stipe out his prime was,