"Stipe's win over Francis was better than Francis' win over Stipe"

I'm guessing a combination of Bladyes looking to downplay the guy who beat him twice and gain a bit of favour with the UFC.
 
The Bloody Nine said:
Curtis Blaydes sat down with MMA News to discuss what he makes of the champion and the rest of his possible competition. He spoke a bit about the differences between Ngannou and former champion Stipe Miocic. Blaydes isn’t ready to give the title of GOAT to Ngannou just yet and even feels that Miocic’s win over Ngannou was more impressive to him than Ngannou’s win over Miocic.

“No, no. That still goes to Stipe… Ngannou has not done enough, in my opinion, to be the greatest ever,” Blaydes said. “He’s very, very good, but when we’re talking the GOAT, you have to start to nitpick, and I’m gonna nitpick,” said Blaydes. “He’s lost rounds. Like, he got owned when he fought Stipe the first time. That wasn’t a good look. He got owned. I’ve never seen, even when Stipe lost, he never got owned. Like, he got knocked out by Ngannou; at heavyweight, anybody can get knocked out.

“I’m a lot more impressed by decisions. I know that’s weird to say, that a unanimous decision is more impressive than a knockout, but at heavyweight, anybody can get knocked out,” added Blaydes. “That’s just what heavyweights do. But for you to skillfully beat a guy for five rounds, that’s very impressive. I’ve yet to see Ngannou do that. He hasn’t had to do that yet, but I don’t think he has that ability. I don’t think he wants to be in the Octagon for five rounds. He knows that’s not how he wins.”

https://www.mmanews.com/2022/01/blaydes-miocics-win-over-ngannou-impressive/


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To me decision is like fighting in the street with the end result of two guys unwilling to go down or giving up

IMO it is to kill or getting killed if you wanted to simulate real combat situation, so finishes > decision
 
Final Say said:
I don’t want to put any extra weight on one victory versus the other. Both were incredibly impressive in their own right. Not like it was an instant KO the second time, Francis worked for that victory.

I want to see it a third time, myself
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Hespect
 
Bojka said:
Stipe's win was better because he's essentially a weight class smaller. Method of victory isn't relevant.
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In the 2nd fight he (Stipe) was only 234lbs but in there first fight he was 246lbs vs 263lbs Ngannou

But then again that is a 17lb difference (in their first fight) which in most weight classes except LHW isnt common between fighters. I.e., Cormier would fight at 233lbs at LHW and fight some guys like Jones who were 218lbs or guys who weighed 225lbs max or some who weighed 205lbs or 210lbs.

I am also assuming Francis didnt overshoot his weight cut by 2lbs and didnt cut any water weight
 
HindustaniKush said:
In the 2nd fight he (Stipe) was only 234lbs but in there first fight he was 246lbs vs 263lbs Ngannou

But then again that is a 17lb difference (in their first fight) which in most weight classes except LHW isnt common between fighters. I.e., Cormier would fight at 233lbs at LHW and fight some guys like Jones who were 218lbs or guys who weighed 225lbs max or some who weighed 205lbs or 210lbs.

I am also assuming Francis didnt overshoot his weight cut by 2lbs and didnt cut any water weight
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The difference is fat though. The only reason he wasn't lean for the fight is because he didn't have to be because he's so far under the limit.

Stipe has the same frame as Ngannou, but he has 30 lbs less muscle.
 
Bojka said:
The difference is fat though. The only reason he wasn't lean for the fight is because he didn't have to be because he's so far under the limit.

Stipe has the same frame as Ngannou, but he has 30 lbs less muscle.
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Yeah its probably a 30lb difference and a poor choice on Stipes part.

Gane meanwhile is a muscular 247lbs
JDS was a muscular 245lbs
Etc

If you come in smaller be shredded at least
 
Sorry but a victory just by out enduring another fighter is not that impressive IMHO
 
I like Blaydes more than most do -- in fact he's one of my favorite Heavyweights -- and I think part of his argument is valid. Sure, knocking out the GOAT doesn't inherently make you the GOAT. And yes, under the right circumstances maybe one can argue that a dominant, technical clinic that doesn't end in a finish can be more impressive than a finish.

But that's not what happened in that second fight. Francis showed improvements and showed dominance of his own. He hurt Stipe multiple times on the feet, stuffed his takedown, reversed said takedown, and then outwrestled him before landing some brutal shots from top position. The fact that he ended an over-aggressive Stipe with a technically sound check hook is a light-and-day difference as compared to their first bout and the boxing exchanges therein where Miocic was playing matador all night long. It just seems arbitrary in this situation to chalk it up to "lul Heavyweights gonna Heavyweight" and totally discredits Frank's win and how he accomplished it. I mean honestly, what the fuck would we have learned from Francis kickboxing with Stipe for another twenty minutes? That he has even better cardio than expected, I guess, though then we'd have people clamoring about how "his KO power is a myth and he's now a point-fighter".

And I don't think Blaydes himself really believes this deep down. Does he have some deep internal struggle within himself about not being able to wrestlefuck JDS and instead boxing Cigano up on the feet to a TKO? Does he view that as a personal failure that reflects poorly on his legacy? What about all those people he murdered with hellbows and GnP earlier in his career: Shamil, Overeem, Cody East, etc. Does he view those victories as less impressive than his performance against Volkov? After all, the Volkov win was a five-round Unanimous Decision win. Nevermind the fact that he gassed out badly and took a lot of damage late in that fight. Nevermind the fact that in the post-fight presser for that bout he contradicts himself a few times about his attitude toward top control and GnP. But I digress... I probably sound like I'm hating on Curtis when I really like the dude, but it's more that I feel like he's unfairly discrediting a really great performance by Francis.
 
Blaydes talks as a fighter, especially one who had to get over being KTFO before.

He rather have that and call it a fluke than being dominated five rounds and feel that he has no tools to win.

Whatever makes him sleep better.
 
mjfan23 said:
First fight only proved Stipe is pillow fisted and can’t finish Francis
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Agreed. Frank was done/gassed after one round. Stipe had 4 rounds to put a beating on Francis but didnt even hurt him. Stipe was just plain lucky he got a green Ngannou. If this was Stipe/Ngannou 3 i would have the ambulance ready.
 
So beating a guy by points is actually more impressive than knocking him out? In what world? If anyone can get knocked out, why didn't Stipe KO him? Why did he get KO'd himself?
 
mjfan23 said:
First fight only proved Stipe is pillow fisted and can’t finish Francis
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You're a fucking idiot
 
The Bloody Nine said:
Curtis Blaydes sat down with MMA News to discuss what he makes of the champion and the rest of his possible competition. He spoke a bit about the differences between Ngannou and former champion Stipe Miocic. Blaydes isn’t ready to give the title of GOAT to Ngannou just yet and even feels that Miocic’s win over Ngannou was more impressive to him than Ngannou’s win over Miocic.

“No, no. That still goes to Stipe… Ngannou has not done enough, in my opinion, to be the greatest ever,” Blaydes said. “He’s very, very good, but when we’re talking the GOAT, you have to start to nitpick, and I’m gonna nitpick,” said Blaydes. “He’s lost rounds. Like, he got owned when he fought Stipe the first time. That wasn’t a good look. He got owned. I’ve never seen, even when Stipe lost, he never got owned. Like, he got knocked out by Ngannou; at heavyweight, anybody can get knocked out.

“I’m a lot more impressed by decisions. I know that’s weird to say, that a unanimous decision is more impressive than a knockout, but at heavyweight, anybody can get knocked out,” added Blaydes. “That’s just what heavyweights do. But for you to skillfully beat a guy for five rounds, that’s very impressive. I’ve yet to see Ngannou do that. He hasn’t had to do that yet, but I don’t think he has that ability. I don’t think he wants to be in the Octagon for five rounds. He knows that’s not how he wins.”

https://www.mmanews.com/2022/01/blaydes-miocics-win-over-ngannou-impressive/


Your thoughts, gentlemen?
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Only facts
 
JonJonesNeedle said:
Naganu did improve in the rematch against Stipe, but Stipe had been through wars against DC and Stipe is like 40 years old.
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He was 38 years old in their second fight... but yeah, you're not in your prime at 38 years old...

Ngannou was 34 years old, so a 4 years old age gap.
 
Reffson said:
He did beat Francis you know. Francis had to wait until Stipe was almost 39 to beat him. LOL
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I fully agree that Stipe wasn't in his prime anymore.

But according to the same logic, he had to wait Cormier was 40 years old to beat him... a former LHW by the way...
 
Stipe beat Ngannou because Ngannou was too new to have good TDD. Then Ngannou beat Stipe because he was too old. You could discount both of their wins really. Either way out with the old in with the new.
 
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