* Stipe refusing to fight until contract is re-negotiated !

Glad that he's using the leverage he's got to get better pay. He should get what he deserves.
 
Defanged said:
mods - please merge with the other thread of the same topic ! dammit.

"It definitely should change," Miocic said. "But the fact that [Overeem and JDS) made more money than me in my last fight was just kind of a slap in the face.

"[It's] terrible. Things definitely need to be changed. Something's gotta change. It's not really fair."

Miocic's typically quiet and workman-like demeanor hasn't done much for his brand as a marketer. He did, however, go public in June upon the announcement of the August pay-per-view boxing match between Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor by pleading for a spot on the undercard against unbeaten boxing champion Anthony Joshua of England.

https://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/...ont-fight-until-contract-issues-are-resolved/

Look, I like Stipe but he's not a draw for whatever reason. JDS and Overeem are bigger names and that's why they made more. I don't like the idea of a fighter holding out until he gets money he isn't deserving of due to popularity reasons. Don't get me wrong, I understand where's he coming from, but people were watching to see Overeem and JDS more than him.
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You " don't agree " with someone trying to leverage themselves into better pay ? On what grounds exactly? Your ridiculous position presumes that he owes you something.
 
AP_RESURRECTION said:
he played the loyal dumb ufc servant who fights anyone and is now surprised, i like stipe a lot - but come on man, you need to fight / negotiate / hold out to get that money
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He did renegotiate before UFC 203. And hired a sports attorney to do it, so it wasn't just him waltzing in alone into the situation. (http://www.crainscleveland.com/arti...94/ufc-when-breaking-bones-means-big-business)

But if memory serves me (and it may not be back from vacation yet) he said the UFC said that "this is the best we can do" and he believed them. Which is why when the payout for Overeem was disclosed and it was proven no, the UFC CAN do better, he felt hard done by.

Loyal is something that Stipe believes in being. From all that I've read and seen he seems generally a good guy, the kind that would give you the shirt off his back and whose word you can trust. And sometimes those kind of people find it hard to remember and accept that the world is a far more treacherous place than their own simple nature.
 
g*r*b said:
He did renegotiate before UFC 203. And hired a sports attorney to do it, so it wasn't just him waltzing in alone into the situation. (http://www.crainscleveland.com/arti...94/ufc-when-breaking-bones-means-big-business)

But if memory serves me (and it may not be back from vacation yet) he said the UFC said that "this is the best we can do" and he believed them. Which is why when the payout for Overeem was disclosed and it was proven no, the UFC CAN do better, he felt hard done by.

Loyal is something that Stipe believes in being. From all that I've read and seen he seems generally a good guy, the kind that would give you the shirt off his back and whose word you can trust. And sometimes those kind of people find it hard to remember and accept that the world is a far more treacherous place than their own simple nature.
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the thing is the UFC may not have been lying. Reem's contract was made under the Ferttita's, if Stipe negotiated just before 203 then it would have been under WME right?

and WME seem to want to cut costs heavily atm
 
IndyCovaHart said:
Ugh. Come on, Stipe.

You're supposed to be the humble meat and potatoes guy.

Is everyone going to turn diva now.
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Yeah sure buddy ! I supposed you'd dutifully leave a potential few hundred grand a fight ( or more ) in salary on the table , so a bunch of people that you don't know can continue to think you're a " humble meat and potatoes kinda guy " ,in the 4 seconds a week they devote to thinking of you?
 
Supatune said:
the thing is the UFC may not have been lying. Reem's contract was made under the Ferttita's, if Stipe negotiated just before 203 then it would have been under WME right?

and WME seem to want to cut costs heavily atm
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True. But part of the world's treachery is the shifting of circumstances and the loss of absolutes. Like the shift the UFC has shown lately to money fights and the idea that the belt's just a fairy tale, man. It's understandable, it's real life, but it doesn't make it any easier to swallow for someone who feels like the rules of the game have been switched on him in mid-bout.

And you still have the Baldfather there as the face of the organization, making it even harder to remember that that was then and this is now.
 
One MMA Fan said:
Eh.. nope.. hence 0 likes and no allies in your crusade.

You are the Stipe version of the forums with this.. xD.

They crushed you so far. :(
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Well... that's false but okay. Everything I said is pretty concrete.

He wants more money or he doesn't fight. Pretty cut and dry. They pay him or they don't have a true, dominant heavyweight champion.


When fighter pay comes up, everyone who says 'you signed your contract now fight it out and then renegotiate' is usually a complete dumbass. Fighters still have options, even under these ridiculous terms.

Just so happens that Stipe currently has a truckload more leverage than the average UFC fighter
 
doesnt he make 700k or something a fight?

seems pretty good considering the division is trash and he doesnt pull many viewers
 
Final Say said:
Well... that's false but okay. Everything I said is pretty concrete.

He wants more money or he doesn't fight. Pretty cut and dry. They pay him or they don't have a true, dominant heavyweight champion.


When fighter pay comes up, everyone who says 'you signed your contract now fight it out and then renegotiate' is usually a complete dumbass. Fighters still have options, even under these ridiculous terms.

Just so happens that Stipe currently has a truckload more leverage than the average UFC fighter
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Yea I'm not one to defend Dana and co or keep that bullshit about contracts up.. UFC can cut your ass when the like no more "honoring the contract" I don't get fooled by silly sayings like that.

But Stipe has a problem with marketability and he has a problem with PR all this go hand in hand with performance in the sport we need to look at all not just at one.
 
The guest said:
The UFC is horrible at promoting fighters. Unless they can shit talk. The UFC is just useless.

Dude from Ohio, who happens to moonlight as a Paramedic/firefighter. And he's knocking out the biggest names in the sport, in the FIRST fuckin round. One win away from a UFC record.

If you can't sell that. You're not very good at your fuckin job.

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As crazy as it sounds, the fact that he's a fireman makes me dislike him. I spent a year working as a volunteer and the guys in the fire house out here are fucking scumbags. 4 married guys on the crew, loved to spend all of their free time fucking two girls - yes, only two between the four guys - on the crew, all while they're wives and kids were at home.

They thought they were certified studs because they were fucking the ladies on the crew behind their wives' backs. All 4 of them 30+ year old men who happened to also be fathers. Repulsive fucks that completely changed my opinion of firefighters.

Sidenote: spent a few years working PBX Reg in a hospital as well - paramedics are infinitely worse. They literally made fucking women a game with a point system. Sadly, married women with children and PAs or higher had the highest "point value"... and they bragged to high heaven about that system.
 
One MMA Fan said:
Yea I'm not one to defend Dana and co or keep that bullshit about contracts up.. UFC can cut your ass when the like no more "honoring the contract" I don't get fooled by silly sayings like that.

But Stipe has a problem with marketability and he has a problem with PR all this go hand in hand with performance in the sport we need to look at all not just at one.
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Yeah he's not a super marketable guy

Doesn't garner a ton of buys.

But again, it's about leverage. They will almost certainly not cut him given his position in the UFC and stripping him would be a PR nightmare. I'm sure he's not asking for 5 million dollars. He'll likely get what he's asking for.
 
I don't think he has much leverage. Bellator aren't going to match what he gets in the UFC + PPV points. Almost certainly wouldn't be cost effective for them to sign him to a similar deal. At best they'll have the lineal UFC champion if he got stripped and left undefeated. But he would eventually lose too. Then what? I don't have an issue with him trying to get paid but I think it probably leads nowhere.

He's already better paid than 99.9% of the fighters, including other champions. Maybe they give him more PPV points absed on hitting certain figures they won't reach in this PPV market lol.
 
YOU DONT SELL THE FIGHT
YOU EARN LESS
SHUT THE FUCK UP DJ AND STIOPIC AND WHOEVER ELSE WHO CRIES ABOUT MONEY
HOLY FUCK
 
Piteros said:
YOU DONT SELL THE FIGHT
YOU EARN LESS
SHUT THE FUCK UP DJ AND STIOPIC AND WHOEVER ELSE WHO CRIES ABOUT MONEY
HOLY FUCK
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Or.... don't shut the fuck up and demand more money


Whatever floats your boat
 
The people who don't demand more money -in fact those get THE MOST MONEY.
 
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