Stipe Miocic is the living proof that a pro boxer with TDD would become UFC champ

[fatlipjesus]

Hw boxers outside the top 15 don't make crap. Plus you've apparently forgot that the Don Kings of the boxing world have been screwing fighters for decades

They make more than UFC fighters outside the top 15.

 

[Vil7]

Damn a lot you make it sound like you can order wrestling skills off the dollar menu at McDonald's. Also a pro boxer is going to have to learn more than just takedown defense to be successful in MMA. They are going to have to learn to deal with the clinch, and how to defend kicks and knees. Also they're going to have learn some jiu-jitsu cause even guys with fantastic takdown defense sometimes get put on their back. They have to be able to not get tko'd by elbows/punches or submitted, and work to get back to their feet.

 

[Castello]

Ok, but imagine prime George Foreman with an excellent TTD, would any of those actual MMA heavyweights beat him?

 

[20falarVerdades]

Idk, there's like three or four shitty posters that cropped up talking about how great boxing is and their combos are so good, blah blah blah. Either some boxing forum started actually modding and banned these idiots or Conor is drawing the insecure over into our orbit.

Pro tip jagweeds: an elite boxer wouldn't also have elite TDD. He'd get flattened in a heartbeat, just like the other scrubs that have tried to do MMA.

LMAO so a hobbyist weight lifter like Jimi Manuwa can pick up MMA in his late 20s and become a top 10 guy, but an A-Level boxer who is already elite in one of the most important aspects of the sport will be flattened in a heartbeat.

 

[fatlipjesus]

Idk, there's like three or four shitty posters that cropped up talking about how great boxing is and their combos are so good, blah blah blah. Either some boxing forum started actually modding and banned these idiots or Conor is drawing the insecure over into our orbit.

Pro tip jagweeds: an elite boxer wouldn't also have elite TDD. He'd get flattened in a heartbeat, just like the other scrubs that have tried to do MMA.

Well, boxers at least have a better chance than that basketball player James Johnson with his supposed 11-0 MMA record and 19-0 kickboxing record... neither of which you can find online. Or any of the other "a-level" athletes from other sports that would supposedly walk in and be champ in a few months.

There actually is some merit to what they say about boxing. Certain boxers would make a decent transition, most would not. It would depend on their style. Also, I think power punchers would certainly have a better chance at transitioning for the most part.

Talking about strictly the HW division.... yeah, of course a really high level power punching HW boxer would have a chance at transitioning well if he took a lot of grappling training. The HW division is absolute shit and half of them are aged with completely broken chins. Arlovski, Browne, Overeem, Black Beast, Rothwell, JDS.... a boxer could do pretty well against most of those guys. Even Cain is vulnerable early like he was against JDS.

 

[Nihongi]

He's a D1 wrestler also, thread fail.

 

[RoninJin]

He made legendary K1 Overeem running for his life in that octagon. That's good enough for me

 

[VitorReem]

Overeem is the most decorated kickboxer to fight in the UFC.

I get where youre going with this but Overeem is a bad example due to his horrible chin & his poor decision making. technique wise he could have destroyed stipe & I think he would have finished fairly easily if he didnt pull guard after that huge knockdown like a mongoloid.

 

[PivotPunch]

Stipe has a wrestling background and has good offensive wrestling when he has to wrestle

 

[Dogo1]

They make more than UFC fighters outside the top 15.

TS is proposing the theory that they'd be were Stipe is, which means they'd earn more as the UFC champ than as a journeyman hw boxer.

 

[Pwent]

He is at least as accomplished in wrestling as boxing

He gnp'd overeem out

Who knows how he would've done if he had to let overeem up

 

[Ez Eric]

Lol!!!

Like takedown defense is so easy.

Stipe was a college wrestler.

 

[NotoriousMillions]

Ok, seriously, what's behind this new found boxing obsession on Sherdog?

Boxing is panicking after Ward v. Kovalev. They are in full-on promote Boxing > MMA BS mode.

 

[Pwent]

But yes if you have better wrestling+boxing than your opponent with basic bjj and basic kickboxin. You will likely win every time

 

[bambammccoy]

He wrestled before he boxed. He is an mma fighter you dope.

Boxers would have to abandon particular habbits and learn to defend kicks as well which isnt always easy.

There have been several boxers getting there legs chewed up by MT guys.

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

Agreed 100%.

I've been a fan of the UFC since day 1, and I've always thought the same thing. An elite boxer with excellent TDD would clean up. Basic amateur boxers with TDD like Stipe and Conor are proof of that.

And yeah, elite boxers are the cream of the crop of all athletes. To be a true elite boxer you have to have everything - speed, power, timing, accuracy, stamina, toughness, work ethic, patience, and courage.

You're right about the work ethic too. Most of them have been training like pros since they were little kids. You have to be supremely dedicated and work very hard to be a good pro boxer.

Here we go again with the better sport argument. Looks like we got another boxer in here.

 

[FlyingKimurabar]

Did Conor wrestle his whole life too? He was a lackluster amateur irish boxer and still knocked out 90% of two divisions. Imagine what an A-level pro boxer like Canelo Alvarez would do with some TDD training

He's trained grappling for 10 years. Back when he had only trained for a few years he was getting tapped out by complete nobodies. It took him several more years of hard grappling training to get where he is, and even then it lead to him getting tapped out again by Nate Diaz.

He now makes more money than any active boxer.

So thanks for making my point you fucking goof. Stop eating glue and arguing with your betters on Sherdog sonny.

 

[Reason]

To write Stipe off as a simple 'Boxer with TDD' is a disservice to what MMA is. It takes a long time to develop the kind of well-rounded skill he shows in the cage, and even then a lot of people won't pick up on it. It's not as simple as taking any good Boxer, giving him a little 'TDD' as if that's easy against skilled wrestlers, and then throwing him into the UFC.

Even if a Boxer had good TDD, he wouldn't have escaped Overeem's guillotine; that required the kind of effort & practice Stipe has put into Jiujitsu, and a fighter would have to have some aptitude for that as well.

Not to mention that if there was no threat of the takedown, his opponents would fight totally differently...lol.

 

[Big Al's Texas BBQ]

Jesus Christ, another recycled sherdog thread topic.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Stipe was a regional Golden Gloves champion. Even though this is only a low-level accomplishment, it puts him leagues ahead of most MMA fighters. In fact, he has knocked out pretty much all of his opponents with very basic boxing skills. Naive posters will point out that pro boxers would just get taken down and submitted, but they are missing some important points:

Plenty of boxers have wrestled/grappled before, take Lomachenko for instance, he used to be a grappling prodigy. Pro Boxers are A-level athletes, so it is natural for them to have excelled in other sports as youngsters. The thing is, the money in boxing is just that much better, MMA fighters are paid pennies on the dollar, there is no reason at all for a young A-level athlete go work for Dana.
On top of that, Pro Boxers have incomparable work-ethic, with as little as one year of training they could develop very sound grappling skills. As ESPN acknowledges, boxing is the most demanding sport.

http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/sportSkills