Media Stipe Miocic Humbles Francis Ngannou

[rjmbrd]

Those old farts will destroy anyone else in the UFC.

Not really.

OSP just fought at heavyweight against Rothwell - a guy frequently ranked top 10 in his career - because 'why not' and left with a gritty split decision. OSP was on a 2-3 losing streak at light heavyweight before taking this fight.

Cormier went to a gritty split decision with Gus and got literally beaten to sleep by Jon Jones at light heavyweight. He casually ran through heavyweight and knocked out the champion.

The average age at heavyweight is the oldest in the UFC and that is not a good stat. It has half the roster depth of 155. Its the division with the oldest age and lowest average athleticism and skill.

We already know guys from 205 can move up and win, I would bet on a number of ranked middleweights who could beat heavyweight fighters. I'd honestly take Costa and Romero over anyone ranked 11-20 right now without thinking about it.

 

[Dionysian]

I wish trilogies were more like the Chuck Randy trilogy. The first two bouts weren't back to back, so we saw both men cement themselves as the best at 205. It felt organic.

This. Fucking ridiculous to see
"Daniel Cormier
Daniel Cormier
Daniel Cormier"
on Stipe's wikipedia, especially when none of the fights were controversial. I understand Stipe and DC aren't spring chickens and HW sucks now, but come on.

 

[Deleted member 510653]

Take your political shit to the war room. Clever comment fail.

 

[JustBleed69]

I think the very fact alone Stipe couldn’t finish Francis 1.0 should strike fear into the heart. Ngannou wins that rematch ALL day

Francis puts him out cold

Francis might win, but where is the evidence that we have Francis 2.0?
He still hasn't shown any wrestling or cardio. He was dusting fools quickly before he fought Stipe the first time as well.

 

[Prelimtapper]

I forgot how bad Stipe outboxed Francis. He's definitely the quicker of the 2. Francis relies a lot of explosion and speed and he really struggled with catching up with Stipe. I still see a wrestlefuck win for Stiopic.

 

[Grenades]

Not really.

OSP just fought at heavyweight against Rothwell - a guy frequently ranked top 10 in his career - because 'why not' and left with a gritty split decision. OSP was on a 2-3 losing streak at light heavyweight before taking this fight.

Cormier went to a gritty split decision with Gus and got literally beaten to sleep by Jon Jones at light heavyweight. He casually ran through heavyweight and knocked out the champion.

The average age at heavyweight is the oldest in the UFC and that is not a good stat. It has half the roster depth of 155. Its the division with the oldest age and lowest average athleticism and skill.

We already know guys from 205 can move up and win, I would bet on a number of ranked middleweights who could beat heavyweight fighters. I'd honestly take Costa and Romero over anyone ranked 11-20 right now without thinking about it.

Good points but we can disagree. DC lost as a LHW to Jones and popped for PEDs. Now Jones has publicly said he wouldn’t fight DC at HW. So that point has some holes.
As to Romero, he can’t even beat 185ers, so that’s a tough one. And just my opinion, any decent HW with hands drops thunder on Costa. There’s a reason these dudes drop weight. To avoid the BIG BOYS. But I appreciate the discussion, gives me some Fantasy match ups to think up. Cheers.

 

[froggyluv]

You guys are whack. Im more a boxing guy these days but yall dont give your heavyweights nuff love. My man Stypes is a stud and a great dude - cant wait till he fights cormier and/or francis again

 

[Grenades]

Francis might win, but where is the evidence that we have Francis 2.0?
He still hasn't shown any wrestling or cardio. He was dusting fools quickly before he fought Stipe the first time as well.

That’s the main question we’re all waiting to see. If Stipe still has that chin to take a few shots and then take over and dominate Ngannou 2.0 (which may or may not exist as you said).

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

This. Fucking ridiculous to see
"Daniel Cormier
Daniel Cormier
Daniel Cormier"
on Stipe's wikipedia, especially when none of the fights were controversial. I understand Stipe and DC aren't spring chickens and HW sucks now, but come on.

Exactly. I understand the circumstances and all but the fact is, that's a tedious logjam

 

[Grenades]

This. Fucking ridiculous to see
"Daniel Cormier
Daniel Cormier
Daniel Cormier"
on Stipe's wikipedia, especially when none of the fights were controversial. I understand Stipe and DC aren't spring chickens and HW sucks now, but come on.

Agreed. Had Blaydes not got murked twice by Ngannou, there could at least be a tiny case for a new title fight.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

I'm kinda tired of trilogies and rematches to be honest, those guys fight so infrequently that I would rather have some new shit.

The only trilogy I ever recalling giving a fuck about was Liddell vs Couture

 

[rjmbrd]

Good points but we can disagree. DC lost as a LHW to Jones and popped for PEDs. Now Jones has publicly said he wouldn’t fight DC at HW. So that point has some holes.

DC went to a life and death controversial split decision with Gus. Compare that with him casually running roughshod over the heavyweight division in Strikeforce and the UFC. Jones' beat him twice.

If Jones moved up to heavyweight, it would be two guys who can make 205lbs deciding to fight chubby. This couldn't have any less bearing on the point.

As to Romero, he can’t even beat 185ers, so that’s a tough one.

Oh you. Let me fix your sentence and say "Romero has gone to pick-em decisions with literally the best middleweight fighters in the world."

That is why I said I would pick him and Costa to beat 11-20 ranked sloppy heavyweights, because the gap in skill and athleticism is HUGE.

Yes, there is a reason guys cut weight, its because you are going to risk a lot more head trauma over the course of 20+ fights if you are constantly fighting bigger, albeit lessor skilled guys.

 

[The Podium]

Stipe is just light years better in the grappling department. I really don't see the rematch going any different if it does happen. Even if he doesn't get him down he'll pin him to the cage and make him work. You could tell from the first fight he was anticipating the big actions from Francis and just would shot for the take down whenever it happened. By round 2 Big Frank didnt have the power to KO him. The video is actually funny cause by round 3 Francis barley had the motivation to touch gloves haha. Still respect to Francis for taking the beating and making it to the end of the fight.

 

[Grenades]

DC went to a life and death controversial split decision with Gus. Compare that with him casually running roughshod over the heavyweight division in Strikeforce and the UFC. Jones' beat him twice.

If Jones moved up to heavyweight, it would be two guys who can make 205lbs deciding to fight chubby. This couldn't have any less bearing on the point.



Oh you. Let me fix your sentence and say "Romero has gone to pick-em decisions with literally the best middleweight fighters in the world."

That is why I said I would pick him and Costa to beat 11-20 ranked sloppy heavyweights, because the gap in skill and athleticism is HUGE.

Yes, there is a reason guys cut weight, its because you are going to risk a lot more head trauma over the course of 20+ fights if you are constantly fighting bigger, albeit lessor skilled guys.

Gus and DCwere at LHW so No point there. HW is a different game.

As to the rest , you don’t need to fix any of my sentences. Romero lost 3 in a row against 185ers, top tier or not, so he ain’t doing a thing against any competent HW. And neither is Costa. They’ve surely tasted HW power in sparring and decided that was not for them. Otherwise they’d move up and be the baddest man on the planet. Actions speak volumes.

 

[Beherit]

>Near KO’ing Stipe


Join Date checks out. Dude tagged him a couple times, where’s the “Near KO” lol?

His best shot of the fight was a counter right hand and Stipe walked right through it

and that was both feet in the air, without even weight distribution in the punch ...

 

[Grenades]

and that was both feet in the air, without even weight distribution in the punch ...

Stipe then double legged Ngannou like a HS freshman just learning wrestling to end the 1st and then dominated the 2nd round. And 3rd. And 4th. Are you saying Ngannou hits hard? Fuck yeah he does. Did Stipe embarrass him even with all that power? Fuck yeah he did.

 

[rjmbrd]

Gus and DCwere at LHW so No point there. HW is a different game.

As to the rest , you don’t need to fix any of my sentences. Romero lost 3 in a row against 185ers, top tier or not, so he ain’t doing a thing against any competent HW. And neither is Costa. They’ve surely tasted HW power in sparring and decided that was not for them. Otherwise they’d move up and be the baddest man on the planet. Actions speak volumes.

All respect but this is a bit goofy.

DC could barely get past Gus and lost to Jones twice - literally getting beaten to sleep.

Heavyweight is not a different game - its where you go when you want to fight older, lesser skilled, less athletic fighters. Thats why DC, the very same guy, can absolutely WALK THROUGH heavyweight, including summarily knocking out the champ. It has the oldest average age of any division. Are you familiar with any athletic sport in the world where having the oldest competitors is a good thing (read: its not)

I was responding to 'those heavyweights can beat up everyone else.' They demonstrably cannot, because guys like OSP and DC are literal, real world examples. We do not need to guess, its a fact.

I'm also throwing out my opinion that guys like Costa and Romero can beat 11-20 ranked heavyweights. Thats how bad heavyweight is.

If you can make 185 you don't fight at heavyweight 'just because' since you are going to take substantially more head trauma throughout a 20+ fight career, while fighting much larger humans. This is frankly common sense and I cannot believe I am typing it out for you.

 

[Karuzo]

I think the very fact alone Stipe couldn’t finish Francis 1.0 should strike fear into the heart. Ngannou wins that rematch ALL day

Francis puts him out cold

What exactly makes you think Francis has improved since that fight?

 

[Grenades]

All respect but this is a bit goofy.

DC could barely get past Gus and lost to Jones twice - literally getting beaten to sleep.

Heavyweight is not a different game - its where you go when you want to fight older, lesser skilled, less athletic fighters. Thats why DC, the very same guy, can absolutely WALK THROUGH heavyweight, including summarily knocking out the champ. It has the oldest average age of any division. Are you familiar with any athletic sport in the world where having the oldest competitors is a good thing (read: its not)

I was responding to 'those heavyweights can beat up everyone else.' They demonstrably cannot, because guys like OSP and DC are literal, real world examples. We do not need to guess, its a fact.

I'm also throwing out my opinion that guys like Costa and Romero can beat 11-20 ranked heavyweights. Thats how bad heavyweight is.

If you can make 185 you don't fight at heavyweight 'just because' since you are going to take substantially more head trauma throughout a 20+ fight career, while fighting much larger humans. This is frankly common sense and I cannot believe I am typing it out for you.

Ok then quit typing cause you’re not making much sense and we’re not going to agree. We’re worlds apart on this. Lemme know when Jones moves to HW and wins to help support your point. I’ll even give you one of the GOATS to prove your point.

 

[fzoid4454]

That’s terrible logic. Ngannou lost every second of that fight so he automatically wins the rematch?


By your logic Dan Hardy would DESTROY GSP in a rematch...

To be fair, Francis was very, very raw and got pushed to that bout way too early. There's a lot of room for him to grow and improve as a fighter.

But, yes, I don't see how the default is that he crushes Stipe, based on a bunch of early KOs, the most recent one where his striking technique shows zero improvement from what we saw on that video.