Stipe has no claim to "goat"

[MMAcolyte]

He has a far greater claim to goat of his division than BJ Penn does to any of the ones he's competed in. Yikes.

 

[Lost_Cause]

Yeah, I’ve never really seen people talking about how Stipe is GOAT, a handful here and there proclaiming he’s the UFC HW goat. And there’s certainly an argument to be made there. In truth, the UFC HW GOAT isn’t in cement yet. My guess, all our GOATS will be chalked up to recency bias in the future, as the sport continues to grow and evolve.

 

[tritestill]

Cain was the most skilled and best HW fighter I've witnessed in the UFC, but too bad not all his fights were at Sea Level, but Stipe most accomplished. With that said, Stipe is not viewed as an MMA Goat, just in perspective to HW's and more directly with UFC HW'S

 

[ctsa]

He is not even the UFC goat. Remember that guys such as Big Nog, Werdum, Cro Cop and Barnett fought in the UFC too

 

[NoSmilez]

He is the most accomplished UFC HW.

 

[markg171]

Anyone putting a heavyweight as goat is retarded
Some might say the same for putting a light heavyweight….

lower weight division guys have better claims cause their divisions require more skill to be successful, you can’t just knock out everyone at lightweight

This is made up Shertard nonsense to try and justify over ranking dudes who can't get more than 3 title wins meanwhile other actual GOATs get 5-16.

In reality, divisions like LW are so hard to succeed at that literally only Eddie Alvarez in the entire history of the division has failed to successfully defend their belt at least 1x. It's such a hard division that you're nearly guaranteed to successfully defend. Which you can't say about other divisions.

Let alone how retarded of a stance this is when Jon Jones has won 16 title fights in a row at LHW and HW... where as you say he could've easily gotten KO'd and yet hasn't. But sure, let's not credit him for this and instead give some lower weight dude over him despite having 5x less title wins.

 

[Dr Guildo]

Fedor is far ahead in the "GOAT"-debate for HW's.

But if we put Fedor aside and make some kind of UFC HW Goat-list i guess you could make an argument for Stipe.

In my opinion Cain, JDS, Werdum were all better than Stipe.

 

[Brigfa2]

If you are putting Khabib and Holloway in that list, you should put Izzy and Volkanovski too

 

[HHJ]

lol who fuckin cares who your made up title is??

"HEY STIPE U CANT BE GOAT!!!'

Stipe: uh...ok?

 

[VenomCarnage]

Anderson
DC
Jones
Gsp
Aldo
Khabib
Holloway
Penn


All have claims to be goat they were long reigning dominant champs. Stipe was not a long reigning champ and his record is full of green fighters or out of prime fighters like Werdum. He got beat by JDS and knocked out by DC moving up to HW.


Stipe is not at the same level as those fighters above. I would put nganu above stipe and Cain above him too

Not in a bad way buddy, but what real fan has ever claimed that Stipe is a GOAT contender?

 

[gspieler]

Cain, Fedor, Nog, Barnett, Mir, Brock, Crocop, etc have all beaten a killer in their prime.

So has Stipe. Werdum, Ngannou, and D.C. were all killers when he fought. So was JDS in their first fight(that fight was scored wrong btw). Reem, Hunt, Arlovski, and JDS II, were all past it by then , though.

 

[cmw43]

As short as Stipe was champ, he was still the longest reigning at HW with 3 defenses. Actually even Fedor only had 4 defenses in Pride.

Fedor won about 15 straight after winning the belt, I don't really understand why the belt wasn't on the line in most of those matches.

Stipes longest UFC win streak was 6.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

I dont think anyone really considers him an actual GOAT contender p4p. Hes not top 10. HW GOAT? maybe, I guess. I'd go with Fedor, and I think pure ability wise prime Cain, DC, JDS, Reem and maybe a few others were more talented.

 

[ForeverYoung]

If Stipe beats Jones, he will be the undisputed GOAT of the UFC heavyweights. Even if he loses, he will still be the greatest because he has the most title defenses.

Fedor is from Pride, which was a different competition with different rules and that alternated rest with chickens(cans) for its champions.

If Stipe beats Jones he's easily the geatest HW ever. Fedor's best wins are stiff ass Big Nog and Mirko Cro Cop who got his ass whooped by Gabe Gonzaga and Brendan Schaub. Don't even make me bring up the year 2011 the year pudgy proved he wasn't the goat.

 

[RockyLockridge]

If you put fedors skills in gsps body would gsp have beaten the people he beat?

Gsp beat the people he beat fedor beat the people he beat. Not sure gaps skills in fedora body beat all the people fedor beat either

 

[Koro_11]

Anderson
DC
Jones
Gsp
Aldo
Khabib
Holloway
Penn


All have claims to be goat they were long reigning dominant champs. Stipe was not a long reigning champ and his record is full of green fighters or out of prime fighters like Werdum. He got beat by JDS and knocked out by DC moving up to HW.


Stipe is not at the same level as those fighters above. I would put nganu above stipe and Cain above him too

LOL @ DC, you know Stipe beat him twice right?

And LOL @ Penn.

 

[Hyperborea]

Something isn’t aspic about calling Stipe the HW GOAT. It feels disingenuous. People were overly eager at the time to have a heavyweight GOAT. Maybe it was the quarantine, maybe it was the UFC marketing machine, I don’t know. Either way, Stipe has lost 2 of his last 4 fights via knockout and in the fights he did win, he did so in an unelectrifying fashion. Even the fight that cemented him as the “Heavyweight GOAT” in the minds of fans could have easily been ruled a no-contest, as DC was on the receiving end of one of the worst eye pokes I’ve ever seen. Does that sound like GOAT stuff to you?

The truth is we haven’t had an MMA heavyweight GOAT yet. That’s the thing about the Greatest of All Time is they are the greatest of all time. Backwards and forwards. Someone cannot be the GOAT with such a blemished record, with such glaring deficiencies in their repertoire that’s it’s apparent where they could improve. A GOAT should be someone who stands head-and-shoulders above their contemporaries, makes their predecessors look like amateurs, and becomes the envy of everyone who comes after them. Stipe is not the GOAT. Not even close.

 

[daniel san]

For sure one of the UFC HW GOATs, but for a HW to be the overall GOAT they need to dominate for a long time. Having dominated another weight class, like Jones, would help - if he racks up a couple of title defenses against legit opponents, he would easily overtake Miocic's spot.

I don't think Miocic is the UFC HW GOAT though, he may have one of the best records and did defend the title multiple times, but I'd say prime JDS or Cain are both superior fighters, although JDS exited his prime after taking a massive beating against Cain, and Cain exited his prime early due to being made out of glass. But both of them at their peaks would beat Miocic.

 

[I_IZ_BACK]

Shut up ...

 

[nabber]

LOL @ DC, you know Stipe beat him twice right?

And LOL @ Penn.

Penn is near the top of my list.