Stipe has no claim to "goat"

[Reign009]

TS made up a fake point to argue against.

 

[arrmike]

Do people ever call him an all-time GOAT, though? I've only ever heard him referred to as the UFC HW GOAT, which he absolutely is.



Also, this is about as transparent as you can possibly be in your ridiculous criticism. If he fights someone young, they're green. If he fights a veteran, they're out of their prime. Sorry he never fought someone exactly 29 years and 271 days old, or whatever unrealistic number you have in your head for "prime" (if you've even got one).

Cain, Fedor, Nog, Barnett, Mir, Brock, Crocop, etc have all beaten a killer in their prime.

 

[Asking for Total War]

There is no goat, no one has any claim for something that doesn’t exist

Agreed. It's an idea in someone's head based on their own criteria and standards. Personally, I don't even care about one single athlete or team being the greatest. I do see some amongst the greats. It's not feasible to compare the incomparable like different eras, fighting styles, win-loss records, domination (e.g, Khabib has most 10-8s in UFC history), is least or most fight time more impressive, ad nauseum.

How I see these "debates":
"My dad is better than your dad! In his prime he'd choke him out!"

So what?

 

[Doughie99]

Anderson
DC
Jones
Gsp
Aldo
Khabib
Holloway
Penn


All have claims to be goat they were long reigning dominant champs. Stipe was not a long reigning champ and his record is full of green fighters or out of prime fighters like Werdum. He got beat by JDS and knocked out by DC moving up to HW.


Stipe is not at the same level as those fighters above.

the reason he is talked about as the greatest UFc heavyweight is simply this : he apparently has a longer win-streak of heavyweight title-defenses than any other UFc HW champ. So that is why Dana and Co talk about Stipe being the greatest heavyweight champ ever.

whether you agree or not, that is the methodology used.

 

[Brca031]

When was that a conversation?
Nice try putting fat slob DC on there...Stipe got KOed in the first fight..DC scratched and clawed like a hooker...worst eye pokes ever...then got folded like a cheap plastic chair in the 2nd fight...bullied and DROPPED in the 3rd.

 

[Asking for Total War]

Jonny Bones finds avenue to legally batter women. NO POLICE! Holding UFC titles as a man and a woman is the only way he can be GOAT. He already knows how to smesh women. Hell, yeah! Da GOAT!

 

[SeattleFightFan]

He's the GOATIYOIUFCH (Greatest Of All Time If You Only Include UFC Heavyweights).

But even then he's only GOATIYOIUFCH if you both a) use the exact same criteria that do and b) weigh that criteria as heavily as I do, and c) weigh the criteria I don't value as low as I do.

 

[MuddyFugger]

I’d put him over khabib anyime

How bout the time heart mur mur Struve Ko'd him? How bout when short fatass DC clipped him? How about those times?

 

[Hypetrainofthemonth]

So your entire shtick is to make terrible and dumb threads, eh?

 

[Poatan Power]

arguing with an imaginary person, nobody has ever called stipe the GOAT. He's def better than khabib though.

 

[Van Daz]

Anderson
DC
Jones
Gsp
Aldo
Khabib
Holloway
Penn


All have claims to be goat they were long reigning dominant champs. Stipe was not a long reigning champ and his record is full of green fighters or out of prime fighters like Werdum. He got beat by JDS and knocked out by DC moving up to HW.


Stipe is not at the same level as those fighters above.

The word Goat gets thrown around too easily.....

Agree with ya, Stipe isn't goat.

 

[blaseblase]

Anderson
DC
Jones
Gsp
Aldo
Khabib
Holloway
Penn


All have claims to be goat they were long reigning dominant champs. Stipe was not a long reigning champ and his record is full of green fighters or out of prime fighters like Werdum. He got beat by JDS and knocked out by DC moving up to HW.


Stipe is not at the same level as those fighters above. I would put nganu above stipe and Cain above him too

Who is arguing Stipe is the overall GOAT? You seem to be arguing against a straw man. Stipe is the UFC HW GOAT for having the title defense record. Cain barely fought anyone and Ngannou quit with one title defense. They arent in the conversation.

 

[Chomsky Honk]

Putting Khabib Holloway and BJ with the others on that list...

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Why did you make a straw man thread? No one claims Stipe is anything other than UFC HW GOAT.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

GOAT "goes by divisions" as well as overall.

Stipe has more title defenses than any other HW. That's considerable if you calculate in the fact that any HW can win at any time with a KO. It's the hardest division in that regard, & that's why it's the only division that has so few title defensez. (can I get a witness?)

The lightest division relies on speed & technique... so it's a completely different conversation than the HW GOAT. It's almost a different sport they're so different. So we need to recognize Stipe having more title defenses than any other HW in history... & he's not even that big.

 

[Sincere Guy]

If someone has no claim this one is Khabib, not Stipe. Khabib who?

 

[RockyLockridge]

Anyone putting a heavyweight as goat is retarded
Some might say the same for putting a light heavyweight….

I couldn't agree less, I think Fedor is inargubly a GOAT contender. HW is the hardest division to not lose in historically. Most of the HW greats have multiple KO losses. It's just how it goes but the fact that for about a decade fedor didn't lose ina weight class where one punch ends it all says ALOT about how amazing of a fighter he was.

Jones
GSP
Mighty mouse
Fedor
Anderson

These are the only people I consider goat candidates. Any answers outside of these 5 is not respectable in my opinion.

 

[RockyLockridge]

How bout the time heart mur mur Struve Ko'd him? How bout when short fatass DC clipped him? How about those times?

yes, acconting those times too, stipe is still a way more accomplished fighter.

Any other questions?

 

[IneedSometop]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone argue that Stipe is the GOAT on here before. You’re arguing with yourself TS

 

[RonDante]

I couldn't agree less, I think Fedor is inargubly a GOAT contender. HW is the hardest division to not lose in historically. Most of the HW greats have multiple KO losses. It's just how it goes but the fact that for about a decade fedor didn't lose ina weight class where one punch ends it all says ALOT about how amazing of a fighter he was.

Jones
GSP
Mighty mouse
Fedor
Anderson

These are the only people I consider goat candidates. Any answers outside of these 5 is not respectable in my opinion.

If you put fedors skills in gsps body would gsp have beaten the people he beat?