Still can't believe Forrest was the Champ

Vampire life said:
His hands are a LOT heavier than DC and def Jones. I can’t remember the last time jones had a ko
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Yeah thats complete nonsense. Cormier broke his hands multiple times and had 2 surgeries to correct it.

He knocked out Stipe Miocic completely dead, just like he did Bigfoot. Generally he would prefer to soften guys up and then TKO or submit them on the ground, like he did to Rumble twice. More hand surgeries means less time earning money.

Cormier mops the floor with the guys who mop the floor with Jan.

Jan literally couldn't beat Patrick Cummins. Say that last sentence out loud.

The skill and athleticism gap between Cormier and Jan is hilariously wide. Jan is the current Forrest - right place, right time, thin division.
 
rjmbrd said:
It really isn't crazy at all considering Jones and DC were head and shoulders better then other competition over the last two generations of fighters. In his prime Gus was up there.

Jan is a nice, hardworking guy and he's skilled, but he isn't remotely of the qualities that Jones and DC had. We don't have to guess how he matched up with Gus either, he lost.

You get a worker bee 'right time right place' champion like Jan when an already thin division sheds its top talents.
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Yeah there's a lot of guys who can be champ if circumstances break the right way they just usually don't. Even with those guys gone he still needed to be handed MW's and get through guys who'd beat him most times(Anderson and Reyes). MW fell the same way if you look at the rankings. A lot of today's elite fighters were gate keeper when MW was a stacked division full of old talent. I do think Jan would have been more than a gatekeeper at MW even back in the day though.




I don't think DC was head and shoulders over the others. His whole career as a champ is because someone got in a car accident. He had nothing for Jones if not for that he's on the same path as Davis and Bader. He never fought the elite wrestlers of the group Davis and Bader. He was also supposed to fight Evans to earn his title shot Evans got hurt. He was the only one to beat Rumble but I think anyone in this group except Davis(who has no striking) beats Rumble if they survive the first.
 
Fioretti said:
Forrest is a more legitimate champion than DC or Jan. He beat the champ, they didn't. Think about that.
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DC's losses at 205 are highly questionable considering everything surrounding them. Those losses are illegitimate. His title win and defenses are not.
 
Substance Abuse said:
DC's losses at 205 are highly questionable considering everything surrounding them. Those losses are illegitimate. His title win and defenses are not.
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He only has one loss at 205, and it was legitimate. He never beat the #1 guy. Forrest did - twice.
 
Fioretti said:
He only has one loss at 205, and it was legitimate. He never beat the #1 guy. Forrest did - twice.
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If you want to gloss over all that Jones stuff, so be it. DC has a better career and resume. He also defended his belt. Forrest did not. "Shogun" was also injured going into that fight with Griffin. Context matters. We can agree to disagree.
 
HHJ said:
Once you get past that a guy you wanted to win lost,and look at Forrest's performance,its really an excellent display of gameplanning and grit.
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It definitely was, but the fact that Shogun was once again coming off of knee surgery put a dent in his performance. I was still shocked and Forrest should get nothing but respect for how he won that fight.
 
Substance Abuse said:
If you want to gloss over all that Jones stuff, so be it. DC has a better career and resume. He also defended his belt. Forrest did not. "Shogun" was also injured going into that fight with Griffin. Context matters. We can agree to disagree.
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I didn't gloss over anything. Jones beat him twice, one was overturned. DC never beat the #1. He defended, yes, but he didn't earn that belt. Forrest did. He beat the #1 twice, and both were also #2 p4p at the time.

Forrest was injured in the second Shogun fight, but you're not dismissing that are you? He still beat Shogun when he was #1 LHW and #2 p4p, then beat the new #1 LHW - who was the unified champ - and also #2 p4p. DC never beat the #1 LHW, and neither did Jan.
 
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Fioretti said:
I didn't gloss over anything. Jones beat him twice, one was overturned. DC never beat the #1. He defended, yes, but he didn't earn that belt. Forrest did. He beat the #1 twice, and both were also #2 p4p at the time.

Forrest was injured in the second Shogun fight, but you're not dismissing that are you? He still beat Shogun was he was #1 LHW and #2 p4p, then beat the new #1 LHW - who was the unified champ - and also #2 p4p. DC never beat the #1 LHW, and neither did Jan.
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We're not discussing the second Forrest/Rua fight. You are glossing over the uncertainty of Jones in the first DC fight. DC had a better career. His title was not interim. He did defend it. It is what it is.

EDIT: I've got nothing against Forrest either. Don't want it to seem like that.
 
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Vampire life said:
Lol all these years later, I still can't believe he held Gold. Great dude, fun fighter, but yet..
Was the division that weak at the time or did he leg kick his way to a title? I dont know. I haven't watched that fight with Rampage In a long time.
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I think someone who first of all wants it bad enough to be there, ready to fight anyone anytime, that means something.

Second, I think it wasn't about the money like it is now, it was a belt. Toughest sumbitch around. Come take it, sort of thing. Like we did in the old days. Lil fuckers.

He was the toughest MFer at the time, ok? That's all. 6 months later there was a new tough guy, but for a while Forrest was the fucking man. So be it.
 
Substance Abuse said:
We're not discussing the second Forrest/Rua fight. You are glossing over the uncertainty of Jones in the first DC fight. DC had a better career. His title was not interim. He did defend it. It is what it is.

EDIT: I've got nothing against Forrest either. Don't want it to seem like that.
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What uncertainty? He won. DC had a better career than Forrest? Overall I'd agree for sure, but he still never beat the #1 LHW. He did beat the #1 HW though, and defended the title.
 
Fioretti said:
What uncertainty? He won. DC had a better career than Forrest? Overall I'd agree for sure, but he still never beat the #1 LHW. He did beat the #1 HW though, and defended the title.
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You could say - depending on the website you're going to - that DC by default beat the number one LHW at the time. He was ranked first, AJ second. When Jones was stripped, in theory they were the top two.
 
Substance Abuse said:
You could say - depending on the website you're going to - that DC by default beat the number one LHW at the time. He was ranked first, AJ second. When Jones was stripped, in theory they were the top two.
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Pretty sure Jones was still ranked #1 while DC had the belt, even after he defended it.
 
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Yep - Sherdog’s Official Mixed Martial Arts Rankings - Light Heavyweight - Jones #1 when DC won the belt.

Sherdog’s Official Mixed Martial Arts Rankings - Light Heavyweight - aaand after he defended it

1. Jon Jones (21-1)
Jones was stripped of the UFC light heavyweight belt and suspended indefinitely following his April arrest on a felony hit-and-run charge, but “Bones” remains unparalleled in the 205-pound division. The 28-year-old’s reign included a record eight title defenses and a level of dominance over top competition rarely seen in any weight class, including a decisive victory against the man who now holds his belt, Daniel Cormier. Jones’ prospects for an accelerated return improved in September when he was sentenced to 18 months probation and formally reinstated by the UFC.

2. Daniel Cormier (17-1)
While the validity of Cormier’s title reign will be challenged for as long as Jon Jones remains inactive, there is no doubt that the American Kickboxing Academy fighter possesses the grit and tenacity of a tried and true champion. “DC” got off to a hot start against Alexander Gustafsson at UFC 192, only to be roughed up by the resurgent Swede in the middle rounds of their 25-minute encounter. The wrestler’s ever-improving offense carried him to a split decision win against Gustafsson, setting the stage for a rematch with Jones.
 
That's very tragic and he's the one with a college degree in some kind of sports shit
Mesos said:
Forest is the definition of an overachiever. His life was meant to be a small time cop in a small town. A boring simple life.

And here he is as a former champion, with a cushy job at UFC making buncha money. Bonnars a dumbass he was going to get set up to but he messed that up
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heavyarms21 said:
remember how huge an upset his 1st fight with Shogun was , that was jaw dropping
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He outstruck and tapped Shogun on the ground.
IIRC he was a BJJ brownbelt at the time.
A freak KO can always happen. But beating Shogun standing and then choking him out was indeed jaw dropping.
 
kflo said:
Forrest was right place right time too. We just didn’t realize jones was going to take over the division. We’ll look back at this time and lump the next champ with Jan and it won’t look so thin.
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Jan has only beat 2 guys out of the current top 10 and the one is a fringe top 10 (Krylov). I think it was more timing. Because Jan loses to like 6 or 7 guys of the current top 10. 100% timing the Anderson win made him leapfrog like 7 guys for some reason.
 
I think Rampage was way too passive and took too many leg kicks and responded with nothing.

Rampage looked solid vs. Hendo though.
 
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