Steve Maxwell on the flaws with Kettlebells

[deadshot138]

I never understood why people talked about kettlebells as being such a functional form of exercise. I can't think of many other objects you lift that require you to use a swinging motion and to readjust your grip as your carrying the object. Don't see how it's that applicable to other sports either other than oly lifting

And yet people oly lift as gpp for other sports

 

[Fahcough]

Looked up KB workouts on the toilet on Pintrest once. It filled the entire feed with some guy Primal Swoilder (Eric L ?? ) and another white guy, tattoos all over and had a diabetic patch on. They did a bunch of flow workouts. Seemed efficient, always forgot once the seated performance was over.

Edit: not KB workouts on the toilet. But yea, punctuation and word placement.

 

[Phlog]

He wasn't talking about performance at all, his time under tension philosophy is about longevity.

As such it seems reasonable.

My current recreation is beating the shit out of people so I pay a certain amount of my future health to be prepared for that. I imagine I'll be in the same place as him re training in ten years.

 

[deadshot138]

He wasn't talking about performance at all, his time under tension philosophy is about longevity.

As such it seems reasonable.

My current recreation is beating the shit out of people so I pay a certain amount of my future health to be prepared for that. I imagine I'll be in the same place as him re training in ten years.

You know that’s true. I’m most sore after a jits class even when I destroy everybody rolling. Getting old sucks.

 

[Phlog]

You know that’s true. I’m most sore after a jits class even when I destroy everybody rolling. Getting old sucks.

For real man. Death is literally the worst.

Was doing a Sabre class last night and the teacher asked if we had any injuries she should know about. I laughed in middle age athlete at her.

 

[Miiiiiiighty]

Like any other implement, you need to learn to use it correctly before doing the movements. I blamed barbell squats for my Achilles tendinitis because I wasn’t doing them properly. When I first started using kettlebells I didn’t know how to pack my shoulders so I’d feel clicking while doing snatches and thought they were an unsafe exercise. The key is to educate yourself about what you’re doing instead of doing it wrong and then talking shit about it.

Amen.

Training for high level performance is unsafe though, obviously because our bodies weren't design to sustain the long term constraint of trying to overpass ourselves everyday.
That's why 99.99% of national + athletes have had multiple ( serious ) injuries throughout their careers, despite having the best coaches, doctors, PEDs and genetics.
So I let you imagine how the hardcore competitors who have the same intensities without all of the aforementionned "helps" are into...
As with everything, moderation (and intelligent training) is/are key if you want to last and avoid serious injuries.

 

[Boxingfan998]

If longevity is the objective, you can skip all kinds of weights.
Only bodyweight is enough for a toned & endurant body, and the risk of injury is the lowest.
It's quite simple. Any kind of serious Athletic activity (the most serious being Olympic training) puts more strain on the body.
It comes down to what your goals and what you are willing to sacrifice in terms of injuries are.

Personally, I know a bunch of guys/girls who do crossfit in Europe in a serious gym.
They do extremely intense exercises, lots of compound movements.
Yes they are beast athletes, but they also are injured all the time.
Meanwhile, I'm doing my basic prison/jail routine and I never get injured (pushups, dips, lots of stretching, etc).

Also if you want to add the ultimate sport for longevity and general health: swimming (in a pool).
With swimming you nearly never get injured and its extremely low impact on the body. At the same time you have resistance all over your body.
It's the most complete sport with lowest injury rate.

 

[Boxingfan998]

Amen.
Training for high level performance is unsafe though, obviously because our bodies weren't design to sustain the long term constraint of trying to overpass ourselves everyday.
That's why 99.99% of national + athletes have had multiple ( serious ) injuries throughout their careers, despite having the best coaches, doctors, PEDs and genetics.
So I let you imagine how the hardcore competitors who have the same intensities without all of the aforementionned "helps" are into...
As with everything, moderation (and intelligent training) is/are key if you want to last and avoid serious injuries.

That's because professional Athletes train with the goal of setting records and winning competitions.
So they risk their bodies for that. I find it a pure waste for amateurs to be training like Pros, mostly because of ego.
I know freaking software developers who train olympic weightlifting in gyms as if they are going for the Olympics.
They are perpetually injured. I just think "Why"? These people are just ignorant and think their bodies just last forever.

 

[Fahcough]

That's because professional Athletes train with the goal of setting records and winning competitions.
So they risk their bodies for that. I find it a pure waste for amateurs to be training like Pros, mostly because of ego.
I know freaking software developers who train olympic weightlifting in gyms as if they are going for the Olympics.
They are perpetually injured. I just think "Why"? These people are just ignorant and think their bodies just last forever.

Some people rather look like they lift weights and not like a swimmer. Training style revolves around interest

 

[wufabufa]

If longevity is the objective, you can skip all kinds of weights.
Only bodyweight is enough for a toned & endurant body, and the risk of injury is the lowest.
It's quite simple. Any kind of serious Athletic activity (the most serious being Olympic training) puts more strain on the body.
It comes down to what your goals and what you are willing to sacrifice in terms of injuries are.

Personally, I know a bunch of guys/girls who do crossfit in Europe in a serious gym.
They do extremely intense exercises, lots of compound movements.
Yes they are beast athletes, but they also are injured all the time.
Meanwhile, I'm doing my basic prison/jail routine and I never get injured (pushups, dips, lots of stretching, etc).

Also if you want to add the ultimate sport for longevity and general health: swimming (in a pool).
With swimming you nearly never get injured and its extremely low impact on the body. At the same time you have resistance all over your body.
It's the most complete sport with lowest injury rate.

Crossfitters are often injured because of horrendous programming and toxic gym culture that pushes them well beyond what's safe. Heavy lifting and bodybuilding style training can be just as safe as calisthenics. Exercise should be about getting the minimum effective dose to drive recovery and ensure consistency. That doesn't exactly fit Crossfit's ethos. Those retards redline their body's constantly since that's what the WOD calls for most times. Bodybuilders and powerlifters are nerds now and research has really changed both sports.

 

[Boxingfan998]

Some people rather look like they lift weights and not like a swimmer. Training style revolves around interest

Of course. I'm just saying, be aware of the risks involved.
Also, crossfit & olympic weightlifting & powerlifting are not bodybuilding.
The latter is much safer if you do it properly.

If you're not a low IQ dude who doesnt seek to ego lift but focuses on longevity and proper technique, there is rarely a problem.
On the other hand if you're a bench/deadlift/squat as heavy as possible kind of guy (as I used to be), yes you will fuck yourself up.
For what? For nothing.

 

[belph]

That's because professional Athletes train with the goal of setting records and winning competitions.
So they risk their bodies for that. I find it a pure waste for amateurs to be training like Pros, mostly because of ego.
I know freaking software developers who train olympic weightlifting in gyms as if they are going for the Olympics.
They are perpetually injured. I just think "Why"? These people are just ignorant and think their bodies just last forever.

Probably because they enjoy it? Anyways, we're all probably going to end up old and in pain. Might as well do something with this machine before it breaks

 

[ASUThermo]

Of course. I'm just saying, be aware of the risks involved.
Also, crossfit & olympic weightlifting & powerlifting are not bodybuilding.
The latter is much safer if you do it properly.

You seem like a lifelong athlete, glad to see you here.

 

[deadshot138]

Dan John addressed this basically saying he had a genetic predisposition to requiring hip surgery